How are my numbers?

[ObsessiveIndecisive]

I was fit into a new set of irons at the end of last season (mixed MP20 with $taper). Since I can't play right now, I have been hitting into a net in my backyard and tracking data with my Mevo. I know they aren't going to be completely accurate, but I am a bit concerned that my numbers aren't great even after the fitting. Let me know if you have any insight:

8 iron averages

• Carry: 148
• Spin: 5730
• Launch: 22.4
• Club Speed: 88.1
• Ball Speed: 108.3

3 iron averages

• Carry: 190.6
• Spin: 3808
• Launch: 14.5
• Club Speed: 95.6
• Ball Speed: 127.8

Thanks for any input!

 

[cnosil]

14 minutes ago, ObsessiveIndecisive said:

I was fit into a new set of irons at the end of last season (mixed MP20 with $taper). Since I can't play right now, I have been hitting into a net in my backyard and tracking data with my Mevo. I know they aren't going to be completely accurate, but I am a bit concerned that my numbers aren't great even after the fitting. Let me know if you have any insight:

8 iron averages

• Carry: 148
• Spin: 5730
• Launch: 22.4
• Club Speed: 88.1
• Ball Speed: 108.3

3 iron averages

• Carry: 190.6
• Spin: 3808
• Launch: 14.5
• Club Speed: 95.6
• Ball Speed: 127.8

Thanks for any input!

 

Based on your clubspeed numbers the below numbers are a pretty good target.   How do these numbers you provided compare to your fitting numbers?  Your smash factor is low (1.22 on 8 iron,  and 1.33 for the 3 iron) so you are losing ball speed for your swing speed.  

 

[ObsessiveIndecisive]

8 minutes ago, cnosil said:

Based on your clubspeed numbers the below numbers are a pretty good target.   How do these numbers you provided compare to your fitting numbers?  Your smash factor is low (1.22 on 8 iron,  and 1.33 for the 3 iron) so you are losing ball speed for your swing speed.  

 

Yeah improving ball striking is for sure my main goal of this quarantine. I was more so wondering if my launch was too high and spin too low which could mean the shaft I was fit into wasn’t right. 

[cnosil]

Just now, ObsessiveIndecisive said:

Yeah improving ball striking is for sure my main goal of this quarantine. I was more so wondering if my launch was too high and spin too low which could mean the shaft I was fit into wasn’t right. 

You can look at the chart and see that you are potentially launching too high.  Shaft isn't the only factor in launch;  you need to look at the club delivery like AoA and dynamic loft of the club at impact.  Your shaft could be perfect and you aren't using the clubs correctly.  

[ObsessiveIndecisive]

34 minutes ago, cnosil said:

You can look at the chart and see that you are potentially launching too high.  Shaft isn't the only factor in launch;  you need to look at the club delivery like AoA and dynamic loft of the club at impact.  Your shaft could be perfect and you aren't using the clubs correctly.  

Yeah I would say it is safe to assume I am not using the club correctly . But, isn't that kind of what getting fit is for? It takes into account how you deliver the club to the ball and matches you to a shaft that will optimize your numbers based on your swing.

Now, that also makes the assumption that I am swinging the same today that I was 6 months ago so which probably isn't right. 

Edited April 26, 2020 by ObsessiveIndecisive

[cnosil]

2 hours ago, ObsessiveIndecisive said:

 It takes into account how you deliver the club to the ball and matches you to a shaft that will optimize your numbers based on your swing.

Now, that also makes the assumption that I am swinging the same today that I was 6 months ago so which probably isn't right. 

Yes a fitting will try and get you the best performance based on how you swing,  but those numbers may not be optimal.   A shaft will not help you hit the sweetspot more consistently;  are you trying to achieve specific numbers when you are using the mevo?  Do you know if the Mevo is accurate?  How do those numbers compare to your fitting?  Maybe those numbers are correct for you. 

[RickyBobby_PR]

2 hours ago, ObsessiveIndecisive said:

Yeah I would say it is safe to assume I am not using the club correctly . But, isn't that kind of what getting fit is for? It takes into account how you deliver the club to the ball and matches you to a shaft that will optimize your numbers based on your swing.

Now, that also makes the assumption that I am swinging the same today that I was 6 months ago so which probably isn't right. 

How do the numbers you are seeing on mevo compare to your fitting?

 

[ObsessiveIndecisive]

2 hours ago, cnosil said:

Yes a fitting will try and get you the best performance based on how you swing,  but those numbers may not be optimal.   A shaft will not help you hit the sweetspot more consistently;  are you trying to achieve specific numbers when you are using the mevo?  Do you know if the Mevo is accurate?  How do those numbers compare to your fitting?  Maybe those numbers are correct for you. 

Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that a shaft will improve my contact. Rather, if I am launching too high (which Mevo is saying I am), a different shaft with a stiffer tip could bring that down.

I for sure do not know that the Mevo is accurate. I haven't had any chance to compare it to anything.

As for my fitting...I need to email the fitter to get those numbers!

[ObsessiveIndecisive]

2 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

How do the numbers you are seeing on mevo compare to your fitting?

 

Great question. I  need to email the fitter but I do know my carry was 5-10 yards longer in the fitting. To be fair, I was playing a ton of golf at that time and now I'm even more out of shape due to quarantine.

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On 4/26/2020 at 8:24 AM, ObsessiveIndecisive said:

I was fit into a new set of irons at the end of last season (mixed MP20 with $taper). Since I can't play right now, I have been hitting into a net in my backyard and tracking data with my Mevo. I know they aren't going to be completely accurate, but I am a bit concerned that my numbers aren't great even after the fitting. Let me know if you have any insight:

8 iron averages

• Carry: 148
• Spin: 5730
• Launch: 22.4
• Club Speed: 88.1
• Ball Speed: 108.3

3 iron averages

• Carry: 190.6
• Spin: 3808
• Launch: 14.5
• Club Speed: 95.6
• Ball Speed: 127.8

Thanks for any input!

 

Based on those numbers, I am guessing you are not hitting the ball with that clubhead speed. In other words, you might be casting the club or duffing/hitting behind the ball. All of those reduce head speed prior to impact. Additionally, that can be why the launch is so high. 

Pure impact with a ball first descending blow and slight forward shaft lean in the center of the sweet spot makes a different sound than any miss-hit.

Now that you have been fit for the irons, it would be worth getting a lesson.

Once you dial in impact then your spin will jump and launch will come down. 

[edingc]

On 4/26/2020 at 5:17 PM, ObsessiveIndecisive said:

I for sure do not know that the Mevo is accurate. I haven't had any chance to compare it to anything.

 

In (admittedly very limited) testing of 7-iron and driver vs. a Trackman 3e, I found the Mevo ball speed numbers to be highly accurate but club speed numbers reported higher than Trackman, which led to lower smash factors across the board.

Something to take into account. Have you used face spray of some kind to see where on the face you're striking the ball?

[ObsessiveIndecisive]

5 hours ago, TimoTe said:

Based on those numbers, I am guessing you are not hitting the ball with that clubhead speed. In other words, you might be casting the club or duffing/hitting behind the ball. All of those reduce head speed prior to impact. Additionally, that can be why the launch is so high. 

Pure impact with a ball first descending blow and slight forward shaft lean in the center of the sweet spot makes a different sound than any miss-hit.

Now that you have been fit for the irons, it would be worth getting a lesson.

Once you dial in impact then your spin will jump and launch will come down. 

Yeah I’d agree that I’m not making optimal contact. The weird thing is that I’m consistently hitting it ~10 yards longer on the course than what mevo says (and that’s taking into account roll out vs carry). 

[ObsessiveIndecisive]

2 hours ago, edingc said:

In (admittedly very limited) testing of 7-iron and driver vs. a Trackman 3e, I found the Mevo ball speed numbers to be highly accurate but club speed numbers reported higher than Trackman, which led to lower smash factors across the board.

Something to take into account. Have you used face spray of some kind to see where on the face you're striking the ball?

Yeah I regularly use spray, can’t live with out it now! I think it is a combo of the mevo not being perfect, the net being too close to the ball and me adjusting to this mat I bought. 

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41 minutes ago, ObsessiveIndecisive said:

Yeah I regularly use spray, can’t live with out it now! I think it is a combo of the mevo not being perfect, the net being too close to the ball and me adjusting to this mat I bought. 

The spray can cause higher launch and less spin. Try a few with a clean/dry face. 

And, doesn't the mevo need silver dots to accurately read spin?

[RickyBobby_PR]

1 hour ago, TimoTe said:

The spray can cause higher launch and less spin. Try a few with a clean/dry face. 

And, doesn't the mevo need silver dots to accurately read spin?

They spray isn’t going to affect those numbers enough to skew numbers. I’ve hit balls on a trackman with my old instructor and the numbers were very close. spray ain’t like impact tape due to the ball making contact with the face. 

[BMart519]

2 hours ago, ObsessiveIndecisive said:

Yeah I’d agree that I’m not making optimal contact. The weird thing is that I’m consistently hitting it ~10 yards longer on the course than what mevo says (and that’s taking into account roll out vs carry). 

Are you using the same balls on the course and with the Mevo? 

See if you can move your setup further away from the net or screen at home so the Mevo can measure ball flight longer and if that helps the readings. 

[ObsessiveIndecisive]

22 hours ago, BMart519 said:

Are you using the same balls on the course and with the Mevo? 

See if you can move your setup further away from the net or screen at home so the Mevo can measure ball flight longer and if that helps the readings. 

Yeah I use balls I have played a round with and are scuffed up but still usable. I am going to back up the net for everything but my wedges and see if that helps.

[Kenny B]

You should be playing by now.  How do the clubs feel on the course?  Are you scoring any better than before the fitting?  That's what's important.  

[heavygolffeels]

I'd be a bit concerned with those numbers. Spin is quite low for an 8 iron. And it's not like the MP20 is a low spin distance head. Any shaft change to increase spin is also likely to increase launch and decrease distance. Might be better to look at a 6 iron where the descent angle is lower and to check the spin to see if you are able to hold greens.