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On MGS there are always topics being started that ask about what clubs or shafts they should play or should they get fitted.    There are always the answers that you should get fitted, just play what you want, or fittings don't work/I saw no improvement on the course type answers.   Lets turn the question around and for those that ask about fittings,  what are your expectations from a fitting and what do you think a fitting should accomplish?

Edit:  Just to clarify,  the question isn't about the fitting itself,  but your  performance expectations once you get back on the course.  

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On MGS there are always topics being started that ask about what clubs or shafts they should play or should they get fitted.    There are always the answers that you should get fitted, just play what

If I am paying more than $100 for a fitting for a single club category (ex. irons, driver, etc.), I expect the fitter to have a strong knowledge of different components. I have been disappointed in al

Like most the newbies, expecting nothing less than a miracle.   After the fitting with the "new or adjusted" golf clubs, we should play golf like the pros we see on televised tournaments.  

For most of my fittings are because I’m going to buy a product and what the best set up for me. Normally I’ve done some testing of a driver for example and decide I want to buy driver x because I want new and shiny. So I go for a fitting to dial in that driver. Tends to apply for my  irons as well. sometimes I may do a fitting for a few brands to see which of them offers the best overall performance which is what I did for g400 against the m5/6 and ts2/3.


 

 

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If I am paying more than $100 for a fitting for a single club category (ex. irons, driver, etc.), I expect the fitter to have a strong knowledge of different components. I have been disappointed in all of my fittings, I hear things like "both of these are 95 gram shafts, they are essentially the same".

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I would do one for fitting but for a whole set of clubs, anyone do this? I know one member messaged me that he did and loved it and picked out the best for home by testing several models.

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I expect the fitter to be honest and tell me whether the new clubs are better than what I currently use. I'm paying for the knowledge and data which are the baseline for my purchase.

I've walked out of 2 driver fittings where none of the newest offerings were able to beat my gamer. $100 lost each time but better than $400-500

 

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25 minutes ago, viking said:

I would do one for fitting but for a whole set of clubs, anyone do this? I know one member messaged me that he did and loved it and picked out the best for home by testing several models.

People do this all the time but what you do want to achieve?

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To replace the whole set with new clubs that suit me better and are all around better clubs, i.e. consistently more accurate / less dispersion and consistent distance. Why do it piecemeal except in the beginning?

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2 hours ago, cnosil said:

Lets turn the question around and for those that ask about fittings,  what are your expectations from a fitting and what do you think a fitting should accomplish?

Assuming you're talking paid fittings only. I expect to score better - period. I don't know why else one would pay for a fitting.

I just had a driver fitting at CC in Feb and got my new driver early Mar, and my stated goal was to hit straighter - period. I have more than enough length - a bad thing if you can't hit it straight. I've always had my doubts about a fitting doing much good for anyone who doesn't already have a repeatable swing or the off chance you're grossly misfit (most people can play off the rack clubs OK). Yes I am aware of self-fulfilling prophecy, I'm determined to give the fitting every chance of success. And I wouldn't have paid for a fitting if I wasn't honestly hoping for the best.

Before the fitting I was averaging 60% fairways hit, 19% left and 21% right. I don't consider my driver swing repeatable.

My regular course was closed for Covid, but reopened three weeks ago. The first nine I played with the new driver I hit 5 of 7 fairways. The second nine two weeks ago I hit 6 of 7 fairways. I was about to start a thread confessing there's something to fittings and maybe I was wrong. Then I played eighteen last week, and hit 2 of 13 fairways. I parred 8 of 18 holes, so it's not as if I was playing badly overall, just couldn't hit many fairways with my new $450 custom driver shaft.

I guess I'll have to play a few more rounds to draw any conclusions...the jury is still out.

And the way CC does fittings, it's almost guaranteed one of the combinations they give you (and then sell you on) will perform better than what you came in with. Good odds it will be pure chance and not a better club in the real world. If you don't believe it - take your current driver out to a driving range and hit 32 drives, drop outliers if you like (CC will). Then chart the distribution of every four drives  (1-4, 5-8, etc.). Guess what, they won't be the same, one of the 8 sets will be a tighter distribution - purely chance.

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36 minutes ago, Kanoito said:

I expect the fitter to be honest and tell me whether the new clubs are better than what I currently use. I'm paying for the knowledge and data which are the baseline for my purchase.

I've walked out of 2 driver fittings where none of the newest offerings were able to beat my gamer. $100 lost each time but better than $400-500

 

Knowing you have the best option in your bag is a fantastic fitting.  You are know certain you have what you need.  

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53 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

If I am paying more than $100 for a fitting for a single club category (ex. irons, driver, etc.), I expect the fitter to have a strong knowledge of different components. I have been disappointed in all of my fittings, I hear things like "both of these are 95 gram shafts, they are essentially the same".

There is often less difference than what marketing tells us to believe.  

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9 minutes ago, Middler said:

Assuming you're talking paid fittings only. I expect to score better - period. I don't know why else one would pay for a fitting.

I just had a driver fitting at CC, and my stated goal was to hit straighter period. I have more than enough length - that's a bad thing if you can't hit it straight. I wouldn't have paid for a fitting if I wasn't hoping it would help me play better. I've always had my doubts about a fitting doing much good for anyone who doesn't already have a repeatable swing. Yes I am aware of self-fulfilling prophecy, I'm determined to give the fitting every chance of success.

Before the fitting I was averaging 60% fairways hit, 19% left and 21% right.

The first nine I played three weeks ago with the new driver I hit 5 of 7 fairways. The second nine two weeks ago I hit 6 of 7 fairways. I was about to start a thread confessing there's something to fittings and maybe I was wrong. Then I played eighteen last week, and hit 3 of 13 fairways. I parred 8 of 18 holes, so it's not as if I was playing badly overall, just couldn't hit many fairways with my new $450 custom driver shaft. I guess I'll have to play a few more rounds to draw any conclusions...

The fairways you missed how bad was the miss? How bad was the miss compared to your previous setup. 

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8 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

The fairways you missed how bad was the miss? How bad was the miss compared to your previous setup. 

No better or worse, I thought of that. Sure some were light rough easily played, but others were off in the weeds left and right - no different than ever with my stock driver. My question is why did I drive so much better the two weeks before. I thought I was on to something, but not sure anymore...

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14 minutes ago, Middler said:

Assuming you're talking paid fittings only. I expect to score better - period. I don't know why else one would pay for a fitting.

I just had a driver fitting at CC, and I want to believe it was worth it, but I have my doubts about a fitting doing much good for anyone who doesn't already have a repeatable swing.

Before the fitting I was averaging 60% fairways hit.

The first nine I played three weeks ago with the new driver I hit 5 of 7 fairways. The second nine two weeks ago I hit 6 of 7 fairways. I was about to start a thread confessing there's something to fittings and maybe I was wrong. Then I played eighteen last week, and hit 3 of 13 fairways. I parred 8 of 18 holes, so it's not as if I was playing badly overall, just couldn't hit many fairways with my new $450 custom driver shaft. I guess I'll have to play a few more rounds to draw any conclusions...

I'd encourage you to go look at the driving stats for your favorite PGA Tour player and see how many fairways they hit day to day and week to week.  Fittings do not take away a performance bell curve, but to move it in a direction that is helpful.  If a player used to average 6 fairways, they probably had days where they hit 0 and days they hit 12.  If you move your stats with a new driver to 9, you will still have days when you hit 4 and days you hit 14.  That would be a fantastic fitting!  Now, if you moved your average up 3-4 fairways but hit it 30 yards shorter you would have experienced a bad fitting. 

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10 minutes ago, edteergolf said:

I'd encourage you to go look at the driving stats for your favorite PGA Tour player and see how many fairways they hit day to day and week to week.  Fittings do not take away a performance bell curve, but to move it in a direction that is helpful.  If a player used to average 6 fairways, they probably had days where they hit 0 and days they hit 12.  If you move your stats with a new driver to 9, you will still have days when you hit 4 and days you hit 14.  That would be a fantastic fitting!  Now, if you moved your average up 3-4 fairways but hit it 30 yards shorter you would have experienced a bad fitting. 

WADR comparing to a PGA Tour player isn't valid. Those guys average 50-70 yards longer than me (which exacerbates misses) and they play on much tighter more challenging course than I'm playing.

And the Club Champion fitter I worked with would have confidently told you he could significantly tighten the dispersion or "bell curve."

Like I said the jury is still out, I won't draw any conclusions until I have 20 rounds to look at.

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35 minutes ago, viking said:

To replace the whole set with new clubs that suit me better and are all around better clubs, i.e. consistently more accurate / less dispersion and consistent distance. Why do it piecemeal except in the beginning?

Doing a full bag fitting requires lots of swings and as you get farther into the fitting you may not get the best results due to fatigue.  For that reason people often do fittings in multiple session.  

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1 minute ago, Middler said:

WADR comparing to a PGA Tour player isn't valid. Those guys average 70 yard longer than me (which exacerbates misses) and they play on much tighter more challenging course than I'm playing.

Like I said the jury is still out, I won't draw any conclusions until I have 20 rounds to look at.

I never said to compare distance,  I asked you to compare accuracy day to day and week to week.  I'm asking you to look at so called 'consistency.'  Understanding what the best do, leaves us clues about what we can do and how we can go about doing it.    

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1 hour ago, cnosil said:

Doing a full bag fitting requires lots of swings and as you get farther into the fitting you may not get the best results due to fatigue.  For that reason people often do fittings in multiple session.  

Yes that makes sense.  A person form Nova Scotia on here told me and did the same thing as well.

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1 hour ago, Middler said:

No better or worse, I thought of that. Sure some were light rough easily played, but others were off in the weeds left and right - no different than ever with my stock driver. My question is why did I drive so much better the two weeks before. I thought I was on to something, but not sure anymore...

bolded part is that based on data or perception? 

when we aren’t sold on the fitting process or the notion of what fitting are for, doubt creeps in and we judge things based on perception and feelings and not necessarily on data.

we all hav days where things work better than others. Changes in face angle, face to path, weather, how good we feel that day. 

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3 hours ago, edteergolf said:

I never said to compare distance,  I asked you to compare accuracy day to day and week to week.  I'm asking you to look at so called 'consistency.'  Understanding what the best do, leaves us clues about what we can do and how we can go about doing it.    

Relax. I wasn’t looking for an argument, and didn’t think I’d have to explain. If you’re 5 degrees off line and hit it 320 yards you’ve probably missed the fairway. If you’re 5 degrees offline and hit it 175 yards you’re probably still in the fairway. I thought everyone who plays golf understood that...

And again touring pros play tighter courses than most of us. We’re not comparable, apples and oranges.

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