Middler Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, cnosil said: Hopefully you will keep us informed on you long term results from your driver fitting. Will do. I shouldn’t have said anything until after at least 20 rounds...that’ll be months from now. cnosil 1 Quote Titleist TSR2 11° HZRDUS Red CB 50 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Titleist TSR2 16.5º HZRDUS Red 60 CB 6.0 & TSR2 21º HZRDUS Black 4G 70 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Mizuno JPX923 HMP 4-GW, T22 54.12WS, T22 58.04DC w Lamkin ST+2 Hybrid Midsize Evnroll EV5.3 Maxfli Tour & ProV1 Ping Pioneer - MGI Zip Navigator AT Payntr X 002 LE, Ecco Biom C4, Payntr X 001 F (Mesh) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share Posted April 27, 2020 Will do. I shouldn’t have said anything until after at least 20 rounds...that’ll be months from now.It was fine to say something and I appreciate that you did. My question was asked simply because I read a lot of people saying their fitting didn’t work for them so I was curious what their expectations were once they got back on the course. Don’t take this the wrong way, but your initial response was really very telling. Even though you know better, You expected good results every time you play. Since there are so many variable improvement can only be measured over time and many rounds. The same discussion could be applied to lessons or technology and what is the expected improvement. Again, your initial gut response was great. We (myself included)are immediate gratification type people. RickyBobby_PR 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middler Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 1 hour ago, cnosil said: It was fine to say something and I appreciate that you did. My question was asked simply because I read a lot of people saying their fitting didn’t work for them so I was curious what their expectations were once they got back on the course. Don’t take this the wrong way, but your initial response was really very telling. Even though you know better, You expected good results every time you play. Since there are so many variable improvement can only be measured over time and many rounds. The same discussion could be applied to lessons or technology and what is the expected improvement. Again, your initial gut response was great. We (myself included)are immediate gratification type people. Actually I most certainly didn’t expect good results every time I play at all. I’ve played long enough to know every round is different and the scoring SD is wide. I keep stats on every round, have for years. I was just surprised to have two unusually good rounds followed by one unusually bad (worse than any of the last 25 rounds played with my previous stock driver). Both outside my normal good and bad range. But again, I should’ve waited for at least 20 rounds before saying anything. cnosil 1 Quote Titleist TSR2 11° HZRDUS Red CB 50 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Titleist TSR2 16.5º HZRDUS Red 60 CB 6.0 & TSR2 21º HZRDUS Black 4G 70 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Mizuno JPX923 HMP 4-GW, T22 54.12WS, T22 58.04DC w Lamkin ST+2 Hybrid Midsize Evnroll EV5.3 Maxfli Tour & ProV1 Ping Pioneer - MGI Zip Navigator AT Payntr X 002 LE, Ecco Biom C4, Payntr X 001 F (Mesh) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, Middler said: Actually I didn’t expect good results every time I play at all. I’ve played long enough to know every round is different and the scoring SD is wide. I keep stats on every round, have for years. I was just surprised to have two unusually good rounds followed by one unusually bad (worse than any of the last 25 rounds played with my previous stock driver). But again, I should’ve waited for at least 20 rounds before saying anything. Do you track dispersion in any way? You talked about missing fairways and that the fitted driver is no better or no worse at that. Curious how you track that? Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscipleofPenick Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 I expect to leave with a set up tailored to my swing. When I do a fitting I plan on buying as long as performance is optimized. Also, I know Trackman is nice, but I'll only do a fitting where I can see the ball flight and not just rely on monitors. Last year I was looking for new irons and went to golf galaxy. I know my distance and my 7iron is roughly 165 on a solid hit. On their monitors the 7i was flying 190+roll. Not just the newer one, but my decade old TMs as well. I can't trust it. Take Dead Aim ElChapo305 1 Quote Take Dead Aim Driver: PXG 0211 10.5* Fairway: Titleist 917 F3 15* Hybrid: Adams Idea Pro Boxer Gold 18* Irons: MacGregor MT-86 Pro Wedges: Vokey 50/54/58 Putter: SeeMore X2 Costa del Mar Ball: Srixon Z-Star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middler Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said: Do you track dispersion in any way? You talked about missing fairways and that the fitted driver is no better or no worse at that. Curious how you track that? Thanks for asking but let’s end the hijack so the OP can get answers to his questions. I’ll say more in a separate thread after 20-25 rounds if there’s anything of interest. Quote Titleist TSR2 11° HZRDUS Red CB 50 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Titleist TSR2 16.5º HZRDUS Red 60 CB 6.0 & TSR2 21º HZRDUS Black 4G 70 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Mizuno JPX923 HMP 4-GW, T22 54.12WS, T22 58.04DC w Lamkin ST+2 Hybrid Midsize Evnroll EV5.3 Maxfli Tour & ProV1 Ping Pioneer - MGI Zip Navigator AT Payntr X 002 LE, Ecco Biom C4, Payntr X 001 F (Mesh) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palvord Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 If we use the analogy of the Indian or the arrow, I expect the arrows to be sharpened and shaped to the ideal conditions for me to have the greatest success on the course. Or to receive an honest assessment if my current arrows are perfectly tuned to me. After that, it's up to me to consistently work and practice to see improvements in score. Quote In my Ultralight Stand Bag: Driver: Rogue 10.5° - LH - Project X EvenFlow 60 Stiff Woods: King F9 - LH - 3/4 Wood - Atmos Blue TS 7 Stiff King F9 - LH - 5/6 Wood - Atmos Blue TS 7 Stiff Irons: King F9 - LH - 5-GW - KBS C-Taper Lite Stiff Wedges: King Black - LH - 52° 56° 60° - KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 Stiff Putter: - Impact No. 3 Ball: Maxfli TourX Rangefinder: LX5 Watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Middler said: Thanks for asking but let’s end the hijack so the OP can get answers to his questions. I’ll say more in a separate thread after 20-25 rounds if there’s anything of interest. It was a simple question about how you track and is relevant to the OP imo. Hopefully you share this in whatever thread you decide to post your results in. Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 I think I also have the unrealistic expectation that I will be able to have a super nerdy conversation about shafts, clubheads, lie angles, etc. Golfspy_CG2 1 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChitownM2 Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 (edited) I plan to get fitted for a full bag at some point this season with the intent of buying new irons and a driver immediately since most of my bag is ~12 years old. Fairway wood & a hybrid are a maybe depending on where budget ends up for the first 2; otherwise I may try to pick up the latter when new stuff comes out next year and I can score a deal. As far as the fitting itself, I'm expecting the fitter to take my shortlist of clubs and get me the right head/shaft combo that will allow me to keep working on my game without fighting equipment that isn't right for me. My current irons are standard length & 1° upright which was determined from nothing more than a lie board while hitting into a net at GG back when I purchased them. My driver is also a regular flex shaft and I'm pretty sure that along with my lie angles is incorrect. I'm not expecting to see a dramatic drop in scores just from changing equipment, but I am hoping that it brings a little bit of consistency to my misses. Edited April 30, 2020 by ChitownM2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAC Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 (edited) My expectation is that I come away with clubs that fit my swing and don't fight with my swing. For example, I don't buy clubs that often and was fit for the first time about 11-12 years ago. I found I needed my irons to be bent two degrees flat. All of a sudden, I found that I was hitting irons solidly on swings where I had previously topped a ball or hit it thin. Also, I found that I really liked my hybrids (at the time Ping 15s). But, then about 3-4 years ago, I started slowing down at work, playing more, taking lessons, etc., and as my swing improved, I found that the Ping Hybrids really had too much of a draw bias for my new swing. Got Titleist hybrids about two years ago and had them fitted to me and now it is easier for me to hit the ball straight. But, a few years ago I went to Club Champion to get fit for a putter and got one that they recommended and seemed ok based on the very short putts I was doing there. I got the putter on the course and played with it for about a year and always hated it. I went back to my old putter, which was an older Odyssey blade putter that was too long for me but was otherwise comfortable. I am left handed and thus have difficulties finding putters to try. Did some research and found the ping iphone app and found that I had a strong arch stroke (the putter Club Champion had fit me to was face balanced). Eventually bought a new toe hang blade putter and am much happier with it and as I take putting lessons it seems to work better and better. So, again, what I am looking for in a fitting is a golf club that I feel comfortable with, that helps and does not fight my swing and that continues to work as I take lessons and improve my swing. Edited May 4, 2020 by HAC Quote Sim 2 Driver Fujikura Ventus Blue 6R shaft Sim 2 5 wood Fujikura Ventus Blue 5R shaft 0311 Gen 5 Seven Wood Project X Cypher 50 5.5 shaft. H818 Hybrid 25 degrees Tensei ck Series 60 HY regular flex shafts at C4 setting (flat for lefties) 0311 Gen 6 Hybrids 3-28 and 31 degrees. 718 AP1 irons 6-gap Tensei ck Series AMC IR regular flex bent two degrees flat SM 7 Wedge 58 degrees M grind with 8 bounce Steel shafts wedge flex bent 2 degrees flat Glide 3 52.12 and 56.14 with Alta CB Red Regular Flex shaft bent 2 degrees flat LAB DF3 putter - 33 inches long, 71 degree lie angle, Accra shaft Bridgestone B X or Titleist Pro V-1x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
release Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Like most the newbies, expecting nothing less than a miracle. After the fitting with the "new or adjusted" golf clubs, we should play golf like the pros we see on televised tournaments. Golfspy_CG2 and Camille Bissarro 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middler Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Quote Club Champion touts a Golf Digest study in which eight of the nine participants saw their games improve by an average of 1.7 strokes per play, their drivers gain 21 yards, and their irons gain 13 yards. Those improvements don’t mean you’re going to go pro anytime soon, but can be big deal, depending on how seriously you take your game. It’s for each of us to decide if 1.7 strokes per round (average) is worth $350 plus $ hundreds in custom shafts, some got more than 1.7 strokes, some got less... I’m gaming a driver custom fit and built for me by Club Champion in March. I’ve only played 4 rounds with it so far (course was closed until a few weeks ago). I didn’t expect to gain distance and I didn’t. My ball speed and smash factor was almost the same with every driver head and shaft I tried including the stock Rogue I walked in with. There was a difference in dispersion on the launch monitor, but some of that is chance and some the shaft - hard to know how much of each. There’s no obvious difference in FW dispersion in my first 4 rounds but I need to give it 20-25 rounds before drawing ANY conclusions on FW% or scoring. Quote Titleist TSR2 11° HZRDUS Red CB 50 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Titleist TSR2 16.5º HZRDUS Red 60 CB 6.0 & TSR2 21º HZRDUS Black 4G 70 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Mizuno JPX923 HMP 4-GW, T22 54.12WS, T22 58.04DC w Lamkin ST+2 Hybrid Midsize Evnroll EV5.3 Maxfli Tour & ProV1 Ping Pioneer - MGI Zip Navigator AT Payntr X 002 LE, Ecco Biom C4, Payntr X 001 F (Mesh) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted May 4, 2020 Author Share Posted May 4, 2020 I changed the title of the topic as more people are providing their expectations for the fitting. This post is about once you get those new perfectly fit clubs (doesn't matter if you bought them from the fitter or sourced them yourself), what improvements are you expecting and even more, how are you measuring those improvements? I see lots or people saying that their fitting didn't work so tell us your evaluation criteria that lead you to the conclusion that the fitting didn't work. RickyBobby_PR 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 9 minutes ago, cnosil said: I changed the title of the topic as more people are providing their expectations for the fitting. This post is about once you get those new perfectly fit clubs (doesn't matter if you bought them from the fitter or sourced them yourself), what improvements are you expecting and even more, how are you measuring those improvements? I see lots or people saying that their fitting didn't work so tell us your evaluation criteria that lead you to the conclusion that the fitting didn't work. This is what I’m curious to read about especially for anyone talking dispersion. cnosil 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edteergolf Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 Except for driver and fairway woods, my fittings haven't changed in the last six years. When I get new clubs which means I have built them myself, I expect them to have uniform yardage gaps, predictable flight trajectory, predictable curvature, similar feels (swing), and gravy if they go longer & or straighter. I understand that they will feel different and if they fly as good or better I don't care what they feel or look like. How I test: I use a GCQuad to confirm dispersion, launch, distance gaps, & off distance performance. I also confirm lie angles with a marker. Once done I confirm their performance on the course and make any adjustments as needed. I also check my loft/lies 2-3 times per year. I have zero expectation that the clubs will make me play better. If I can control them and they are predictable, then the scoring is all on me. cnosil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mtbryant01 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 Background: Before March 2020, My driver that I used for 12 years was a Taylormade Burner, 50 g, Regular Flex. I basically just bought this at a store. My problem with this driver was that I have a higher swing speed (108-112) that resulted in me guessing when that driver head was going to make impact with the ball. I know that mainly had to do with the shaft, but still. I decided to finally get fitted for a driver. Using a track man and many driver heads and shafts, I ended up with a Ping G410 Plus, 75 g, Extra stiff flex driver. This club fit my golf swing, slight fade, a lot better than my old driver. I have played about 9-10 rounds so far. I can already tell a difference in the feel of the golf club coming through at impact. I know what my miss will be if I don’t come through like I intend to. With my old driver, I was all over the place, missing left and right. Now, I know that I can be more confident with my shot shape by taking the angle I want and if I miss, I know it’s typically fading a little more than I would like. I use the 18 birdies app for every round and one of the statistics is Fairways hit. I have already seen this stat increase from my last 10 rounds total. Getting fit for this driver has allowed me to focus on the swing path I want and not hope the club comes around in time to send the golf ball in the direction I want. Obviously I’m still working and tinkering with this new driver has I have gone from a 50g to 75g shaft, but I have definitely noticed the improvement in my dispersion of shots. I would like to think I’m hitting it further too, but I’ve also been hitting the weigh room, so it could be that. Quote Cobra Connect 5 participant G410 Plus, w/ X stiff 75 g Project X Evenflow Black shaft driver / Radspeed w/ Smoke RDX Blue 70S shaft Big Tour 3 wood/ 5 wood w/ Fujikura X F3 60S shaft 4 Hybrid w/ Project X Catalyst 80S shaft Copper MIM Tour Irons w/ KBS $ Taper Balck 120S shaft Snakebite 50, 54, and 58 wedges w/ KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 125S shaft Newport 2.5 putter MTB X golf balls RH, Alabama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy AFG Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 I got fit for my 919 Forged irons in February, after gaming MP-H4s for 6 years. I got fit for the H4s, but after maybe 2 years total playing golf. They had reg flex Dynalite Gold shafts in them, and even as long as 3 years ago I was starting to see my shot balloon. I'd gotten better and my clubs were no longer a fit. My 919's have Project X 6.0s, and I'm hitting a much more penetrating ball flight with no ballooning. Point is...well, a couple points. One, in my opinion, the greatest "goodness" of a fitting is found in getting you into the proper shaft far more than the clubhead. (Again, just my opinion.) Two, as to the OPs question about what I expect on the course after a fitting, I'd say to know that I'm the best possible conditions to hit good shots. In other words, my clubs are best suited to allow me to deliver a strike, rather than a hindrance. In my case, it's worked. I use an app to track my stats, and my GIR is up since I started gaming the new sticks. cnosil 1 Quote Driver: TSR2, Ventus Blue 6 S, 65g Stiff FW: TSR2 3w, 15, Ventus Blue 7 S, 70g Stiff Hybrids: Apex Pro 3H, Ventus Blue 8 S, 80g Stiff Stealth DHY 4H, Ventus Blue 8 S, 80g Stiff Irons: SMS 5-6, SMS Pro 7-PW, Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff Wedges: SM9 48 F Grind, 52 F Grind, 56 M Grind, Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff Putter: Sri-Hot 5K Triple Wide, Stroke Lab shaft Ball: Pro V1 Click here for my HONMA TR20 Official Review! Click here for my Arccos Caddie Bundle Official Review! Click here for my Edel SMS & SMS Pro Irons Official Review! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1PTIK Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 I have yet to purchase a fully fit bag of clubs, but when I eventually do my expectations are that I have a more predictable and consistent ball flight, that I improve efficiency via improved strike location (for similar swings), and that I'm able to go at the ball a bit more. With my current setup, I don't feel like a can really go at the ball without losing control of the club face. I can swing fast, but I really have to manage tempo - especially with the driver, fairway, and hybrid. cnosil 1 Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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