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10 hours ago, B_R_A_D_Y said:

Doesn’t increased control from choking down come from the change in leverage you get from that 1/4-1/2” of grip sticking out? Aside from less distance, that’s the other reason we were told to choke down. Seems like going back to gripping the club at the butt, even if it’s shorter, is not as controllable as choking down. 

Are these steel or graphite? Doesn’t butt trimming make a shaft more flexible? Or is that just steel? Or is that only for taking off an inch?

Looks like I don’t have any answers, just questions. 😋

In my opinion:

Maybe choking down changes the leverage that increases control;  but I would say that you really don't get more "control",  you in theory get less club speed with the same control.   Since the ball goes a shorter distance, the same face angle results in a ball that is less offline.  is that more control?    Short may also enable you to swing the club better and get the path and face angle numbers to have less deviation.   That would be more control.  

Trimming shafts; in theory, makes them stiffer not softer.  Trimming the butt end an inch really doesn't make a significant difference in flex in either graphite or steel.  

Ultimately we shorten or lengthen a shaft to improve contact conditions and there isn't a single answer, the answer depends on the player and the players specific needs.  

 

 

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Thx cnosil.

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I am  5'6" and  I  cut down my irons 1/2 inch about 6 years ago. It was one of the best things I've done.

Other than that, I agree with most of the other comments and suggestions. 

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I'm 5'6" and use standard length shafts. Due to lower back inflexibility the shorter the shaft the less clubhead speed I can manage. I also have problems with mechanics as well so I don't have a lot of accuracy, especially with half swings like with the wedges.

I recently dropped my 4 iron for a 4 hybrid because I can make a much more comfortable swing with longer clubs, ie get my weight on my right side which lets me generate easy clubhead speed and better accuracy.

I am am still putting together my gamer set but hope to be a single digit hc w/in the year. My strategy will be hitting it long off the tee and hope I can hit a short iron or wedge close enough to make a putt or two.

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On 10/23/2021 at 8:48 AM, cnosil said:

Trimming shafts; in theory, makes them stiffer not softer.  Trimming the butt end an inch really doesn't make a significant difference in flex in either graphite or steel.  

I think I read that the reverse is true. On almost every shaft, no matter whether it is tip-stiff or otherwise, the butt end will be the stiffest part of the shaft because of the diameter. By cutting off the stiffest part, the overall profile becomes ‘softer’ than it was originally. 

Same reason why cutting off from the tip end makes a shaft become stiffer overall as well.

That aside, I am short, around 5’5 but with long arms, and I cut off at least a whole inch on every club in my bag, save the driver. It’s a bit of a pain to get the SW back to normal, but I feel I get in better posture over shorter clubs, especially wedges and shorter irons. I think the added weight helps to offset some of the swing speed losses as well.

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1 hour ago, AndySP said:

I think I read that the reverse is true. On almost every shaft, no matter whether it is tip-stiff or otherwise, the butt end will be the stiffest part of the shaft because of the diameter. By cutting off the stiffest part, the overall profile becomes ‘softer’ than it was originally. 

It is true that the butt is the stiffest part of the shaft on all shafts (except maybe Bryson's putter shaft. that thing is 0.580" at the tip lol)

However, butt cutting has minimal impact on how stiff or soft the shaft will play. 

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I too am short. I am almost 5’6”.  I have had shorter clubs for about 25 years or so. Distance hasn’t been effected because of it at all. It sounds like we hit our 8 iron about the same distance. 

 
I would encourage you to get fit because the lie and the length work together to get you on the proper swing plane. It is more about the dynamic lie during your swing rather than the static lie when you are standing over the ball that determines what fits best. As you know, every club manufacturer has different specs (lie, loft, length).  With that said, you can go to most big box stores (e.g. PGA Super store) and get fit using the Mizuno shaft analyzer.  I have done this, it was really helpful.  They take static measurements, then have you hit 3 balls with the club that has the analyzer attached, it processes the data, and let’s you know what your head speed, tempo, toe down, kick angle, and release factor.  Then it tells you the top shafts that are for you, the flex, length, and lie they should be. Now the lie (i.e. + .5 degrees) and length (i.e. + .25”) are in relation to Mizuno’s club specs so you may need to adjust accordingly.
 
I think this would be a good place to start. Let us know how it works out for you.

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