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18 hours ago, revkev said:

The 300 yard drive - it hurts my back and still only goes 235 when I catch it on the screws just like when I take a normal swing. 🤣


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I gotta stop trying to hit the crazy par saving shot that 95% of the time brings double into play. Just need to take my medicine and be okay with bogey.

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On 4/27/2020 at 8:23 AM, Pingistheanser said:

Flop shot. 

I'm in a similar boat. I can't tell you how many times I try to get too cute when I short-side myself. I really need to learn to get it on the green and two putt rather than trying to land a little flop shot in exactly the right spot, coming up short, leading to a second chip.

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On 4/27/2020 at 3:27 AM, sirchunksalot said:

I was thinking about this the other morning and thought I would see if anyone else had the same problem. Is there a shot you just need to tell yourself "Don't do it!" and go for the safer, more sensible route?

For me, it's hitting 3 wood when the ball is above my feet. It never turns out good, I usually hit a low hooky shot that might go 120. I know better, but if I'm on a par 5 I'm usually grabbing the 3 and trying to advance it as far as I can, no matter the lie. I can't help myself, even though I could pull a shorter iron and probably be in better position for my third shot. 

 

This is a tricky shot so there's no shame here. I have a bag-full of ludicrous shots I attempt. For me it's a mental deficiency and not accepting where I have put myself on the course. 

As for this 3wood shot, this would be my tip sheet;

1) Choke down on the 3 wood.

b) The practice swing must be a choke-down practice on as close a lie as you can. I would forget to do this and chunk it sometimes. It gives you the feeling of the shot you're going to play. Make your practice swings as close to the real thing as possible. Keep swinging until your brushing the top of the ground the way you want to. Don't get embarrassed and lose your mental focus if you take a divot with a practice swing. 

iii) Finally, and this is just for me. I find ball position is one of the over-riding elements to shot shape for me with my 3 wood. Further forward promotes the draw and further back promotes the fade. In this case a little further back might help so you're catching the ball before the face has closed which may lead to the low duck hook. Again, incorporate the ball position into your practice swing.

 I wouldn't give up on this shot yet. If you can get it right,  and be able to trust it, you could lower your scores. 

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10 hours ago, MaxEntropy said:

I'm in a similar boat. I can't tell you how many times I try to get too cute when I short-side myself. I really need to learn to get it on the green and two putt rather than trying to land a little flop shot in exactly the right spot, coming up short, leading to a second chip.

Its tough.  I started watching a lot of Golfsidekick's Youtube videos lately and learned a lot from that.  He talks a lot about playing holes from the green back and planning your shots to get you into an approach shot range that your comfortable with and always playing full shots into greens.

Its made me realize that I dont always need to hit driver on a par-4 and on par-5s I dont need to try to hit the green in 2.  I can lay up to 100-150 yards for my 3rd shot and hit an easy wedge or short iron onto the green.

Since Ive stopped trying to play the hero shot and playing smarter golf instead, Im now to the point of shooting in the 80s on a regular basis, even on days when Im feeling like I dont swing the club very well.

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On 4/27/2020 at 10:59 AM, Tsmithjr9 said:

Advice for everyone- don't stop trying any of your shots.

However, practice them before you take it to the course. If you never practice a draw, why try to hit it on the course? Practice downhill or side hill lies to gain the confidence. Would Drew Brees call a play they never practice? Practice leads to confidence and then the confidence conquers the fear.

I agree wholeheartedly with this however I am always 100% confident in every shot and more often then not I do not execute! LOL I do need to practice more real life scenarios instead of just blasting away at the range. I feel this is a common problem with average golfers. When you have limited time to play I think the tendency is to want to see and feel yourself hitting good shots so its hard to buckle down and have a few disappointing sessions where you work on shots you are terrible at to improve long term. 

For me I need to stop trying any shot that I stand over the ball and say " This is a terrible idea"  

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Confidence is key and you have that. You're a lot further along than most.

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For me it's trying to punch out of the rough on the right side of the fairway on a par 5. I always want to go too aggressive with a long iron and gain some yardage when I should just play it smart and use a short iron to get into good position on the fairway. Less aggressive shots and more smart, safe shots.

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The miracle recovery shot to make up for one bad shot. When I try "that" (hybrid through trees, flopping over tree, low stinger, etc) shot it usually ends up taking 2 or 3 more shots to get where I needed vs taking the smart shot (low punch in to the fairway) which cost me 1 extra

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On 5/6/2020 at 7:14 AM, Apes44 said:

The miracle recovery shot to make up for one bad shot. When I try "that" (hybrid through trees, flopping over tree, low stinger, etc) shot it usually ends up taking 2 or 3 more shots to get where I needed vs taking the smart shot (low punch in to the fairway) which cost me 1 extra

Same here with the recovery shot. I see maybe a window that I can fit it through to try and save par on a par 4 after a bad drive, but usually it is the exact opposite and I either hit it straight into a tree or chunk it 10 yards further. If I would just take my medicine and hit it out into the fairway, I’d probably have a higher percentage of making a decent shot and trying to save par from the green. We think we are pros in the woods and gotta find the green on the second shot...

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On 4/29/2020 at 10:10 AM, YYCRed said:

Any shot with my lob wedge. It either goes 10 yards or 75 - nothing in between, and I never know which distance it's going to be. I have started using my 56 degree wedge with much better success, but my ego still makes me want to try that 60. 

I only use my 60* when I’m short sided with a trap between and there’s really no other choice. But it’s supremely satisfying when I catch it just right with my 60*. Unfortunately that probably happens less than half the time (blade or chunk), especially on my regular course which is mostly tight lies - but I can’t quit trying it either. My 56* was chosen for sand, too much bounce for tight lies on turf.

I’d love to quit LONG putts, but the solution has eluded me for 55 years so far.

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Hitting a draw is what I need to quit trying to hit.
One day I'll figure it out 🤞


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The biggest mistake I make is trying to take something off of my swing. I can usually execute a 90% shot no problem but when I say to myself I can hit a 75% shot I usually miss my yardage. I would be better off clubbing up and swinging committed. 

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12 hours ago, TimoTe said:

The biggest mistake I make is trying to take something off of my swing. I can usually execute a 90% shot no problem but when I say to myself I can hit a 75% shot I usually miss my yardage. I would be better off clubbing up and swinging committed. 

Practice more of these shots ?

There is a shot I had never been able to consistently executed, for me it is the high draw with the driver , or with any of the long sticks.  I can practice for years and still not better than 50/50 with this shot pattern.  Not a shot I would try when something is on the line. Love my 5-8 yard fade, worse it could happen when I get a little tired is going straight. 

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5 minutes ago, release said:

Practice more of these shots ?

There is a shot I had never been able to consistently executed, for me it is the high draw with the driver , or with any of the long sticks.  I can practice for years and still not better than 50/50 with this shot pattern.  Not a shot I would try when something is on the line. Love my 5-8 yard fade, worse it could happen when I get a little tired is going straight. 

Practicing that shot more is not the issue I have. It's the feel to get accurate yardages. I already hit 2000 balls a month and about 40-50% are short game. I found I can hit yardages more often with closer to full swings.

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On 5/10/2020 at 2:09 PM, BigtazzGolf said:

Hitting a draw is what I need to quit trying to hit.
One day I'll figure it out 🤞


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6 weeks ago I would totally agree!! Could not hit a draw with any club to save my life, but I can for sure cut it, even with a wedge - though people have told me AFTER Ive done it "You can't cut a wedge..." silly people...

Anyways, with all this lockdown stuff going on, I have been working on some swing path things at my house and when I finally went out and played last week for the first time in a while low and behold A DRAW! Constantly. My friend I played with actually said I was drawing it too much now. Now I need to learn to control my draw! 

 

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1 hour ago, TimoTe said:

Practicing that shot more is not the issue I have. It's the feel to get accurate yardages. I already hit 2000 balls a month and about 40-50% are short game. I found I can hit yardages more often with closer to full swings.

You have access to a practice area other than the driving range ?

Many of the golf courses will have area between the holes or in the back that is closely mowed.  I like to pick out a spot and pace off 40-60-80 yards and bring a shag bag full of old golf balls to practice.   First check with the head pro and/or the greenskeeper to get permission to do so.

You'll find practice in a more natural setting will enhance your senses.  Basically your eyes will tell your hands and body of the distance and quiding the shot to perform.  It is different than just hitting range balls.  Whether it's off the mats or grass.

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On 4/27/2020 at 8:05 AM, palvord said:

The punch shot through the narrow window that I see in the trees, that totally exists and is a legitimate way to get the ball closer to the hole.

I did better near the end of last year of just taking my medicine and playing out sideways, but my ego will still say that it sees a path for me to get through all the trees and shrubbery onto the green.

This... I'll pull it off once in a while, but most of the time I either clip the tree or hit the middle of it.  I know better, but I hate punching out sideways

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Trying to intentionally hit a cut. I just can't do it. Draw yes, cut no. The only other thing I try to "avoid" is the flop, but I've been working on that and feel I can pull it off when I NEED to - if other options are available, I'll try to play for something a bit more safe and predictable.

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8 hours ago, release said:

You have access to a practice area other than the driving range ?

Many of the golf courses will have area between the holes or in the back that is closely mowed.  I like to pick out a spot and pace off 40-60-80 yards and bring a shag bag full of old golf balls to practice.   First check with the head pro and/or the greenskeeper to get permission to do so.

You'll find practice in a more natural setting will enhance your senses.  Basically your eyes will tell your hands and body of the distance and quiding the shot to perform.  It is different than just hitting range balls.  Whether it's off the mats or grass.

That's a great idea!

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For me, its not so much a shot, but a concept. I've always heard the when the ball is below your feet on a side hill, its going to want to move right, so aim left of the target. And when the ball is above your feet, its going to want to move left, so aim to the right. Do I have this right? Well in either case the ball seems to go the opposite for me and I miss bad to the side I was aiming.

I'm pretty sure that I make a subconscious adjustment, where if they ball is below my feet I swing more over the top to reduce the chance of hitting it fat, and I pull the ball left, while always aiming left - not good. And if it is above my feet, I attack from the inside and push the ball right while also aiming right - not good. 

Essentially, I am finding this to be completely untrue for me. 

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1 hour ago, scooterhd2 said:

For me, its not so much a shot, but a concept. I've always heard the when the ball is below your feet on a side hill, its going to want to move right, so aim left of the target. And when the ball is above your feet, its going to want to move left, so aim to the right. Do I have this right? Well in either case the ball seems to go the opposite for me and I miss bad to the side I was aiming.

I'm pretty sure that I make a subconscious adjustment, where if they ball is below my feet I swing more over the top to reduce the chance of hitting it fat, and I pull the ball left, while always aiming left - not good. And if it is above my feet, I attack from the inside and push the ball right while also aiming right - not good. 

Essentially, I am finding this to be completely untrue for me. 

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OK, I have no golf teaching experience but will give throw two cents at this anyway. Yes, you are right they should move that way as the pictures indicate. You could be subconsciously correcting your swing to compensate. There's a couple of things you could do. Firstly, just aim straight, if the ball is going where you're aiming, try that. It sounds stupid and obvious but if it works great, if not, at least you tried. My guess is you will start to miss on the opposite side to your present miss, i.e. as per picture. Then you can gradually move your target to adjust. As an aside, your miss is viewed as a good player's miss. I remember the commentary on Ernie missing the 13th green right (and in the creek) at Augusta with the ball above his feet. It happens. When looking up YouTube videos, take note of ball position for these shots. This will determine the open/closed face angle at impact. The other thing I would do is work on visualisation. See a good shot in your mind before you hit it, don't allow your mind to wander back to the old misses. And when you hit your first good shot on a sloped lie, replay it in your head. Go over it and over it again in your head for the next few days after. Embed a good memory so the mind goes back to that next time you are in that situation. 

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I need to quit trying to drive 300 yard par 4 greens especially over water.... today I flew the water only to have it bounce towards the green and hit a rock. Couldn’t find it, and never saw in go in the water. Bogeyed that hole, should have been a easy par or birdie opportunity. 

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Flop shot, If I can bump and run I have a greater chance of success. But i'd be lying if I didn't say its extremely satisfying do drop a perfect flop infront of your mates.

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