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I have 2 simple questions surrounding the P7TW.  From the first time I hit them I have been in love; look, feel and trackman launch and spin numbers couldn't be better with DGX100s but I have been searching for answers to a couple couple basic questions before investing. (I need another set of irons like I need a hole in the head)  I have asked at least 2 TM reps, had multiple discussion on the TM chat service, and have called customer service on more than 1 occasion without any resolution.  The questions:

  1. Are there 2 sets of molds, one with tigers’s specs and one with the stronger specs or are they just bending them for the stock offering.  Matt Bovee stated they were releasing the stock offering at strong lofts bc 99% of purchasers would bend them stronger.  The cost of 2 molds for what was originally intended to be a limited offering seems a little CRAZY EXPENSIVE. In my case it’s important bc if they are bending them they are effectively changing bounce and I want to play the bounce designed for the club and captured with the milling process.  
  2. If there are 2 molds, then as a consumer if I buy the stock spec am I getting heads made in a mold for the stock offerings vs if I buy TW specs am I getting heads from a different mold.   If there is 1 mold and I buy them as a retail consumer, which mold is my club coming from (the one with TW lofts or a mold designed for the stock offering with TWs grind and bounce applied to the stronger loft).  I just want to make sure that the bounce and grind was designed for the loft. 

It would appear to a very straight forward question as agreed upon by everyone I have spoke with at TM but I still can't seem to get an answer from anyone.

I am bringing this question here, to My Golf Spy as a place I have learned to trust in hopes to getting my question answered so I can finally get it out of my system and purchase these darn things and likely inflate my handicap buy a stroke or two but will enjoy every moment of it 😉 

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Unfortunately, I don't have an answer. But I do have a question: if the performance of the irons is everything you want (as you've said), why does the mold matter? How much testing have you been able to do with them? They're such beautiful irons.


Driver: PXG 0811 X GEN2, 8.5 degree, Alida Rogue Elite Blue 55, Stiff

3 Wood: Srixon X F85, 15 degree, Stiff

3 Hybrid: Srixon Z H85, 19 degree, Stiff

4-PW: Srixon Z785, Nippon Modus Tour 105, Stiff

50/54: Cleveland CBX 2

60: Cleveland CBX Full-Face

Putter: Toulon Design Las Vegas (🥰 my baby 🥰)

Ball: Vice Pro x Cleveland Cavaliers

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So the majority of testing has been inside and at least one session outside in almost perfect conditions on a very nicely groomed driving range.  Beyond wanting the iron head to play exactly as it was designed relative to the grind, bc that is kind of what you are paying for, the mold only matters bc I absolutely can't afford to have an iron that is bent strong and reducing the bounce that is already relatively unforgiving.  Although I am a pretty good golfer I play once a week at best and at almost 50 my body is my biggest enemy.  My miss,  is almost always coming in a little shallow and catching it a little heavy due to a reduction in flexibility.   I can live with adding a degree or two of bounce even though the ground gets really hard here in middle of the summer but definitely don't want to lose it.  I see you play Srixon 785, and I have played the Z forged for about a year now (love them) and I am sure you know those couple shots a round where that V sole has allowed the ball to end up a 20 ft short instead of 10-15 yds.  I am screwing around with some Rose Protos right now, which are incredible feeling but there are a couple shots a round that I wouldn't have batter an eyelash at with the v-sole and I am short of the green with the Rose Protos.  

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So the majority of testing has been inside and at least one session outside in almost perfect conditions on a very nicely groomed driving range.  Beyond wanting the iron head to play exactly as it was designed relative to the grind, bc that is kind of what you are paying for, the mold only matters bc I absolutely can't afford to have an iron that is bent strong and reducing the bounce that is already relatively unforgiving.  Although I am a pretty good golfer I play once a week at best and at almost 50 my body is my biggest enemy.  My miss,  is almost always coming in a little shallow and catching it a little heavy due to a reduction in flexibility.   I can live with adding a degree or two of bounce even though the ground gets really hard here in middle of the summer but definitely don't want to lose it.  I see you play Srixon 785, and I have played the Z forged for about a year now (love them) and I am sure you know those couple shots a round where that V sole has allowed the ball to end up a 20 ft short instead of 10-15 yds.  I am screwing around with some Rose Protos right now, which are incredible feeling but there are a couple shots a round that I wouldn't have batter an eyelash at with the v-sole and I am short of the green with the Rose Protos.  

Gotcha. I’d want to eek out every bit of forgiveness from a club as unforgiving (and expensive!) as that


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Driver: PXG 0811 X GEN2, 8.5 degree, Alida Rogue Elite Blue 55, Stiff

3 Wood: Srixon X F85, 15 degree, Stiff

3 Hybrid: Srixon Z H85, 19 degree, Stiff

4-PW: Srixon Z785, Nippon Modus Tour 105, Stiff

50/54: Cleveland CBX 2

60: Cleveland CBX Full-Face

Putter: Toulon Design Las Vegas (🥰 my baby 🥰)

Ball: Vice Pro x Cleveland Cavaliers

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Boy I don't know. Something is amiss if TM can't provide an answer to a simple question. I'd forget it an move on an enjoy life. Personally I don't get all down in the weeds with my game/equipment. I buy custom fit and built clubs and take it from there. Afterwards my equipment might require a tweak here and there.... but I just play. As a 3-5 hcp player (age 65) I've realized my equipment isn't holding me back. It's me. Always me.


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                                                                               :755178188_TourEdge: EXS 10.5*, TWGTLogo2.png.06c802075f4d211691d88895b3f34b75.png 929-HS FW4 16.5* 

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I understand your question down to the existential level- there should be answers.

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So from my understanding is that the P7TWs all come from the same molds. After being forged, TM will separate the heads into TW specs and Stock specs. After separation, the lofts will be bent and the soles will be mill ground to have the same amount of bounce.


M5 7.5Deg UST Proforce V2 tipped 1" strong 70g X

M5 Rocket 3 14deg UST Proforce V2  70g X

GaparLo 2 17deg KBS Tour Hybrid Prototype 95g X

4-iron Titleist T-MB Project X 6.5

5-Pw Taylormade P7TW Project X 6.5

52 Slate Blue Vokey SM7 Project X 6.5

56 Jet Black Vokey SM7 Project X 6.0

60 HiToe Mill Grind Project X 6.0

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To my understanding the TW irons have their own mold. If you customize them then you get his specs bent to your requested specs. 


Driver: Titleist 917D3 9.5 with Graphite Design MAD Pro 65g S

Wood: Titleist 917F2 with UST Mamiya Helium 5F4

Hybrid: Titleist 816H1 21 with Atmos Blue 85 S

Irons: Titleist 718 AP3 4i, 718 CB 5-6, MB 7-9 with KBS $ Taper 125

Wedges: Vokey SM7 46/50/54/60 with DG s200

Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1

Ball: Titleist Prov1

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