2020 Forum Member Review - SuperSpeed Training System

[tony@CIC 18,558]

22 minutes ago, ELEL13 said:

Just starting this, very excited. I was planing to do this inside carpeted room in socks. Has anyone trained like that? I’m assuming I’d swing faster outside in sneakers but tough with the snow. 

Hmmm interesting. If I was swinging inside with socks, I'd probably lose my balance as well as be hesitant about swinging faster (fearful of damage to inside space), but that's just me. Also, I think a key element in increasing speed is using ground forces which would be difficult with just socks. Can you do it in the garage or basement - that way you could use sneakers or golf shoes.

[Getoffmylawn 2,802]

25 minutes ago, ELEL13 said:

Just starting this, very excited. I was planing to do this inside carpeted room in socks. Has anyone trained like that? I’m assuming I’d swing faster outside in sneakers but tough with the snow. 

I'm with @tony@CIC, seems like you'd be compromising the training's ability to help you better leverage ground reaction forces.

I live in Nebraska so doing the protocols inside in a controlled climate is appealing, but I'm still doing them in the garage with an extra layer on.  There are just too many swings like the Step Back and Double Step that I would think would be seriously compromised and maybe even lead to injury potential if you don't have good traction.

[B.Boston 10,408]

Just starting this, very excited. I was planing to do this inside carpeted room in socks. Has anyone trained like that? I’m assuming I’d swing faster outside in sneakers but tough with the snow. 

I’d strongly consider still wearing some sort of sneaker. There’s a lot of ground force involved in getting faster and I think you’ll benefit from the support.

Some of the later drills look to make sure you’re using the ground efficiently and the trick is to look for torn up grass, so your feet will be active.

[edingc 8,361]

I've really cut down the number of reps, but I've at least been consistent in getting out there and swinging 5-10 times with each stick while there is no snow on the ground.

I've been focusing on using the ground better in my swing, and that, along with some weightlifting and stretching, is yielding some good results. 

A few weeks ago I hit a then personal best 141 with the green stick. Today, I hit 142. Meant to grab a picture but I brushed the clubhead past the radar on the way back and cleared my results .

138 will have to do...

 

[ChasingBogeys 1]

Hey guys, just started with the Superspeed and I’m noticing that I’m swinging the red stick a decent amount slower than my driver (103 max with the red stick, driver max 109 after a session). 
 

Did anyone else see a similar pattern?

My max green stick swing is 120mph and so far I’ve only done 2 sessions. 

[revkev 22,902]

Hey guys, just started with the Superspeed and I’m noticing that I’m swinging the red stick a decent amount slower than my driver (103 max with the red stick, driver max 109 after a session). 
 
Did anyone else see a similar pattern?
My max green stick swing is 120mph and so far I’ve only done 2 sessions. 

I’m almost always faster on dry swings with my driver than the red.


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[ChasingBogeys 1]

14 hours ago, revkev said:

 

I’m almost always faster on dry swings with my driver than the red.


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Interesting, thank you! The website says you should be around 9% quicker with your red stick, which through me off a little. 

[JohnSmalls 6,196]

I’ve got that need...the need for speed!  Looks like I’m joining the Superspeed fray. I know the LM or SS radar topic has been broached and covered fully, but I think I’ve got a question that may not have been covered.  The reindeer express brought the sticks but I’ve got to find a LM or SS radar. 

I’ve been wrestling the idea of saving up for a Mevo+ for the past few weeks...or even a Mevo— but I haven’t committed yet and I’d rather not buy a LM for just SS training and one for practice. With that comes the first question of have any of you guys used Mevo for tracking SS training numbers?  Does it even work without a ball?   Or am I going to have to buy a PRGR Black/Swing Caddie or the original SS radar to track my training?
 

 

 

[ELEL13 7]

Does Superspeed publish an estimate of how each stick translates into swing speed? Ie, if you swing 110 on green that typically equates to ___ on driver swing speed?  Or does say the blue stick generally indicate where you might swing? Just trying to gauge how to best measure swing speed based on how I am swinging the various sticks. I’m on day 3 and have gotten to 110 on the last green swings, up from 100 on the last green swing the very first day. Thanks!

[ChiefMikeOfficer 169]

On 12/22/2020 at 8:24 AM, B.Boston said:

I’d strongly consider still wearing some sort of sneaker. There’s a lot of ground force involved in getting faster and I think you’ll benefit from the support.

Some of the later drills look to make sure you’re using the ground efficiently and the trick is to look for torn up grass, so your feet will be active.

 

On 12/22/2020 at 7:45 AM, ELEL13 said:

Just starting this, very excited. I was planing to do this inside carpeted room in socks. Has anyone trained like that? I’m assuming I’d swing faster outside in sneakers but tough with the snow. 

100% agree with @B.Boston on this one - I've snuck in some sets with flip flops and Crocs, but I've found it more effective when I have good grip and stability. I think spikeless golf shoes are best for indoor sessions. If that's not an option, running/hiking shoes or something similar are next best. If you're set on going shoeless, I'd go barefoot rather than wearing socks - socks are more likely to slip, which might mean slower swinging or poor form.

[edingc 8,361]

8 hours ago, ELEL13 said:

Does Superspeed publish an estimate of how each stick translates into swing speed? Ie, if you swing 110 on green that typically equates to ___ on driver swing speed?  Or does say the blue stick generally indicate where you might swing? Just trying to gauge how to best measure swing speed based on how I am swinging the various sticks. I’m on day 3 and have gotten to 110 on the last green swings, up from 100 on the last green swing the very first day. Thanks!

I have an old Instagram post from SS bookmarked that says the following:

"We recommend a goal of 20% faster with the green than driver, 16% faster with the blue and 10-12% faster with the red."

https://www.instagram.com/p/B6ojyEMBkfU/

I made this table which uses those calculations with a range of estimated swing speeds:

These seem to be fairly accurate numbers - I can reach 140+ on the green stick but usually cruise in the 130-133 range. A good, fully warmed up driver can exceed 110 MPH according to my Flightscope Mevo.

[revkev 22,902]

I’ve got that need...the need for speed!  Looks like I’m joining the Superspeed fray. I know the LM or SS radar topic has been broached and covered fully, but I think I’ve got a question that may not have been covered.  The reindeer express brought the sticks but I’ve got to find a LM or SS radar. 
I’ve been wrestling the idea of saving up for a Mevo+ for the past few weeks...or even a Mevo— but I haven’t committed yet and I’d rather not buy a LM for just SS training and one for practice. With that comes the first question of have any of you guys used Mevo for tracking SS training numbers?  Does it even work without a ball?   Or am I going to have to buy a PRGR Black/Swing Caddie or the original SS radar to track my training?
 

 
 

Personal LMs don’t work as they get their data by tracking ball flight.

The radar that you can purchase through SuperSpeed is the cheapest route. They also offer an LM that tracks ball flight but I don’t know how good it is.

With the stick speeds v driver that’s average driver speed before a training session - you should be faster with driver at the end of a session than you would normally be - that additional speed only lasts a short while though.

In time the idea is to get to where the additional speed becomes your normal.


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[ELEL13 7]

How many people have had to change their shafts or drivers after seeing higher swing speeds? And why? Less control? Higher spin? Just curious. I’m seeing much higher spin numbers already, and just wondering if I have to make a change. 

[B.Boston 10,408]

9 hours ago, ELEL13 said:

How many people have had to change their shafts or drivers after seeing higher swing speeds? And why? Less control? Higher spin? Just curious. I’m seeing much higher spin numbers already, and just wondering if I have to make a change. 

Welcome to the forums! 

I did change drivers and shafts after I reached the first plateau but not because I was seeing increased spin or anything like that.  I was just in the market for a change.  However, I did move up to X flex.  I have the Speedzone in the more forgiving heavy weight back configuration and I'm still seeing spin numbers about the same as before with my G30.

A lot of people on here who have done the training noted getting a little case of the *fades* early on in the training, If you notice your flight is more left to right than it was before that could be why you are seeing more spin.  Also take a look at impact location, if you're more on the heel than before that could be it too.  

But if you are looking to get refit I believe the suggestion is to wait until at least hitting that plateau and you're swing speed is consistent.  What was your starting swingspeed vs current? 

[revkev 22,902]

How many people have had to change their shafts or drivers after seeing higher swing speeds? And why? Less control? Higher spin? Just curious. I’m seeing much higher spin numbers already, and just wondering if I have to make a change. 

I‘be had to make very little in regards to equipment changes and I’ve been fit for stuff twice since I started training. I have clearly picked up clubhead speed but the only change so far has been to crank the driver lift down a couple of notches.

I toyed with a lighter and longer shaft that a fitter felt might work for me - it didn’t so I went back to heavier shorter.

But I’m an older slower swinging player who basically has moved from between senior/regular to regular/stiff in the 2 years of training. 85 to 95 mph driver clubhead speed through a lot of hard work.

SuperSpeed recommends going for a fitting during a plateau phase. I’d suggest considering the 2nd plateau - I think they suggest the first but they are assuming a perfect world in which a person goes through the entire 72 weeks as laid out in their program. I’m saying 2nd because by then you know you will be sticking with the program for a while.

I hope that helps

BTW I realized that I’m in a plateau right now - I played awful on Sunday. I attributed that to rust but in looking at my round I left nearly every drive right (no draw). That’s always been the hallmark of a plateau for me. The good news is that will pass fairly quickly


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[ChasingScratch 1,551]

I have an old Instagram post from SS bookmarked that says the following:
"We recommend a goal of 20% faster with the green than driver, 16% faster with the blue and 10-12% faster with the red."
https://www.instagram.com/p/B6ojyEMBkfU/
I made this table which uses those calculations with a range of estimated swing speeds:

These seem to be fairly accurate numbers - I can reach 140+ on the green stick but usually cruise in the 130-133 range. A good, fully warmed up driver can exceed 110 MPH according to my Flightscope Mevo.

See this is where, for whatever reason, I am different. Either in the way the PRGR reads me or in some other way. I should be swinging the sticks much faster according to my GC Quad swing speed, but at the end of the day, it doesn’t really matter much. If you get results on the course, you get results, regardless of what the numbers read or should read. I’ve never been higher than 122mph with the red stick.


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[edingc 8,361]

11 hours ago, ChasingScratch said:

 

See this is where, for whatever reason, I am different. Either in the way the PRGR reads me or in some other way. I should be swinging the sticks much faster according to my GC Quad swing speed, but at the end of the day, it doesn’t really matter much. If you get results on the course, you get results, regardless of what the numbers read or should read. I’ve never been higher than 122mph with the red stick.


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Yes, I don't think these numbers line up perfectly for everyone. For me personally, I don't see the same linear relationship between the different SuperSpeed weights. I am noticeably slower with the red club compared to blue and green. I've had the green club up over 140 in a session before, and during that same session the red club didn't move above 123. 

 

[ejgaudette 1,352]

3 hours ago, edingc said:

Yes, I don't think these numbers line up perfectly for everyone. For me personally, I don't see the same linear relationship between the different SuperSpeed weights. I am noticeably slower with the red club compared to blue and green. I've had the green club up over 140 in a session before, and during that same session the red club didn't move above 123. 

 

I have been using the sticks as well and noticed the same thing. The Blue and Green really get moving, but it take much longer for the red to gain speed personally. Though I am only getting the green to 130 right now with club speed around 110.

[ChasingScratch 1,551]

On 12/31/2020 at 5:36 AM, edingc said:

Yes, I don't think these numbers line up perfectly for everyone. For me personally, I don't see the same linear relationship between the different SuperSpeed weights. I am noticeably slower with the red club compared to blue and green. I've had the green club up over 140 in a session before, and during that same session the red club didn't move above 123. 

 

Exact same for me.

[ZMendle10 142]

Just started the training this week and have noticed a jump in driver speed of 102mph before and 106 mph after in each of first two sessions. This is only my first week of training so I am curious as to if this jump gets bigger and roughly how long to get to the first plateau if doing the protocols 3 times a week?