2020 Forum Member Review - SuperSpeed Training System

[SuperSpeed Golf 461]

On 12/26/2020 at 2:24 PM, JohnSmalls said:

I’ve got that need...the need for speed!  Looks like I’m joining the Superspeed fray. I know the LM or SS radar topic has been broached and covered fully, but I think I’ve got a question that may not have been covered.  The reindeer express brought the sticks but I’ve got to find a LM or SS radar. 

I’ve been wrestling the idea of saving up for a Mevo+ for the past few weeks...or even a Mevo— but I haven’t committed yet and I’d rather not buy a LM for just SS training and one for practice. With that comes the first question of have any of you guys used Mevo for tracking SS training numbers?  Does it even work without a ball?   Or am I going to have to buy a PRGR Black/Swing Caddie or the original SS radar to track my training?
 

 

 

@JohnSmalls Hi John, the Mevo + doesn’t read speed without a ball. As you mentioned there are 3 devices that measure speed without a ball. Swing Speed Radar, Swing Caddie SC 200+, and PRGR. We sell the PRGR and offer the bundle if you already have the SuperSpeed set. 

[SuperSpeed Golf 461]

On 12/23/2020 at 7:40 AM, ChasingBogeys said:

Hey guys, just started with the Superspeed and I’m noticing that I’m swinging the red stick a decent amount slower than my driver (103 max with the red stick, driver max 109 after a session). 
 

Did anyone else see a similar pattern?

My max green stick swing is 120mph and so far I’ve only done 2 sessions. 

@ChasingBogeys what is your driver max when hitting a ball before a session? Often a slower than driver red clubs can be an issue with grip strength. There are some exercises that can help get the red moving faster.

There has been data collection showing how much more grip strength PGA Tour players have than most amateurs. 
 

 

[SuperSpeed Golf 461]

On 1/19/2021 at 1:57 PM, revkev said:

I appreciate the points which are well taken - I would point out a few things that contradict such conventional wisdom though.

SuperSpeed will argue that you should swing as fast as you can on the course and that you are no less accurate or consistent a ball striker by doing so.  I'm not totally sold on that but they have tons of data to back that up.

I don't have a "winter" to be concerned with - I'm able to play year round.  For example people here are complaining that it's cold out and it was a bit below normal when it was 45 F this morning.  It's 70 right now. 

I'm just thinking out loud that removing the sight of ugly shots when swinging fast by hitting into a net might enhance speed.  I occasionally do my protocols at my club and do hit 10 drivers afterwards swinging as fast as I'm able when I do.  I  have gone through up North winters where hitting into a net was my only option.  It would always take a few range sessions or rounds to shake the rust off after a lay off regardless of what I did - I found that hitting balls into a net at least allowed the golf muscle groups to stay in shape making it easier to get the swing back.  I was able to go to an indoor simulator the last two years that I lived in Wisconsin - that was great - 

Thanks for the feed back.

@revkev it can be really good to hit into a net as it removes that need to see where the ball goes and just focus on one thing. If you can combine this with some range work seeing ball flight then mechanical issues will have less of a chance. 

[twyatt700 660]

[mention=94001]twyatt700[/mention]Send us an email and we can help with some options for replacements. Info@superspeedgolf.com
 
thanks!

Okay I will thanks!


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[twyatt700 660]

On 1/24/2021 at 8:14 PM, SuperSpeed Golf said:

[mention=94001]twyatt700[/mention]Any updates here on the distance on the course? Were your speeds increasing with each SuperSpeed club? If so then would recommend some swings on the radar without a ball and a practice routine just hitting drivers as fast as possible on the range or in a net. Then working on some impact location drills with a face spray. 
 

I kinda gave up on doing the protocols for the last few months.  I then hurt my shoulder and hip on a golf trip at the beginning of the year. My buddies who I haven’t golf with in over a year did tell me that I was swinging it much faster than before, so I think the speed has gone up. I drove the ball really straight this year, but without any real distance increase. So I may be able to swing easier and hit the ball straight but without the added distance. 

I’m going through a TPI PT program and getting some lessons to clean up my swing. But I plan on restarting the protocols in a few weeks.  The need for speed is real!
To answer your questions. My speeds were increasing significantly when swinging with the sticks and my driver swing was up around 115-120 without the ball. But I could never get above 103-106 while hitting a ball and that was with terrible contact and poor strikes. My solid strikes were always 101-102 speed.

With the sticks I could get the green up to 140, the blue I could get up to 135 and the red my top speed was 130ish.  But I could never get that to translate to the course.  I'm thinking lessons and getting a pro to work with my swing to make sure I'm efficient in my movements may be the next step, but I'm not really sure.
Any other suggestions I’m all for it!
Unfortunately I also have the same commitment and consistency issues as Mike and Eli on chasing scratch!


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[edingc 7,837]

On 1/25/2021 at 11:37 PM, twyatt700 said:

With the sticks I could get the green up to 140, the blue I could get up to 135 and the red my top speed was 130ish.  But I could never get that to translate to the course.  I'm thinking lessons and getting a pro to work with my swing to make sure I'm efficient in my movements may be the next step, but I'm not really sure.

I had this same experience for the first two years of doing the sticks. Those numbers are eerily similar to mine across the board.

Two years ago, the first year I had the sticks, I hit 141 once with green, but never really got the blue above 125 or the red above 116. The green most of the time would be upper 120s/low 130s. I would guess most of my on course swings that year were in the upper 90s/100. And on the range my SwingCaddie confirmed that. Still, before SuperSpeed I was about 94 MPH on the SwingCaddie, so it was a bit of progress.

Last year I more consistently got the green stick to the mid 130s, blue didn't move much, and the red went up to 118-119. In addition to SuperSpeed, I went through 12 weeks of Fit For Golf's offseason program and also bought a power rack and started to lift weights consistently for the first time in my life. I switched to the FlightScope Mevo, which probably over reads club speeds a bit, but I was around 104-106 on the range with ball speeds (range balls) in the low-mid 150s. On course my average drive went up to the 250-260 mark from about 230. 

I started taking lessons in the middle of all of this, but with COVID hitting and lack of practice I had basically reverted to my pre-lesson self by April 2020.

This winter I've gone away from doing the specific protocols and recently have just been focused on two things. One, getting the red and blue clubs faster and two, swinging my driver as fast as I can both with and without balls. I have continued to lift (following Wendler's 5/3/1 now), and after my lessons in August and September feel like some things really started to click in my swing. 

The last few times out at the range I've recorded average club head speeds at 110 MPH, and have topped 160 MPH ball speed a few times. There have been a few technique changes here and there, but mostly I just feel like I'm going to swing with intent to go fast and worry about the direction later. It doesn't seem like I've actually lost any accuracy, but I know once I get out on the course I'll tighten up a bit. It's inevitable. My hope is that I get my "cruising" speed higher so that I don't need to go all out to hit a 110+ MPH number.

Lately, I've been doing (all dominant side):

• 3x Green
• 3x Blue
• 3x Red
• 3x Blue
• 3x Red
• 3x Green

Both blue and red are slowly creeping up. Today's best speeds were 139/132/123. It has been slow progress, but it's still progress.

This was a long post to say stick with it, and I recommend grabbing a lesson to see what kind of power leaks might be present in your swing. For me personally, I need to focus on a better turn and also feeling like my head stays in place on the downswing. Otherwise I get steep and flippy, which robs me both of clubhead speed and distance.

[tony@CIC 17,433]

I had this same experience for the first two years of doing the sticks. Those numbers are eerily similar to mine across the board.
Two years ago, the first year I had the sticks, I hit 141 once with green, but never really got the blue above 125 or the red above 116. The green most of the time would be upper 120s/low 130s. I would guess most of my on course swings that year were in the upper 90s/100. And on the range my SwingCaddie confirmed that. Still, before SuperSpeed I was about 94 MPH on the SwingCaddie, so it was a bit of progress.
Last year I more consistently got the green stick to the mid 130s, blue didn't move much, and the red went up to 118-119. In addition to SuperSpeed, I went through 12 weeks of Fit For Golf's offseason program and also bought a power rack and started to lift weights consistently for the first time in my life. I switched to the FlightScope Mevo, which probably over reads club speeds a bit, but I was around 104-106 on the range with ball speeds (range balls) in the low-mid 150s. On course my average drive went up to the 250-260 mark from about 230. 
I started taking lessons in the middle of all of this, but with COVID hitting and lack of practice I had basically reverted to my pre-lesson self by April 2020.
This winter I've gone away from doing the specific protocols and recently have just been focused on two things. One, getting the red and blue clubs faster and two, swinging my driver as fast as I can both with and without balls. I have continued to lift (following Wendler's 5/3/1 now), and after my lessons in August and September feel like some things really started to click in my swing. 
The last few times out at the range I've recorded average club head speeds at 110 MPH, and have topped 160 MPH ball speed a few times. There have been a few technique changes here and there, but mostly I just feel like I'm going to swing with intent to go fast and worry about the direction later. It doesn't seem like I've actually lost any accuracy, but I know once I get out on the course I'll tighten up a bit. It's inevitable. My hope is that I get my "cruising" speed higher so that I don't need to go all out to hit a 110+ MPH number.
Lately, I've been doing (all dominant side):

• 3x Green
• 3x Blue
• 3x Red
• 3x Blue
• 3x Red
• 3x Green

Both blue and red are slowly creeping up. Today's best speeds were 139/132/123. It has been slow progress, but it's still progress.
This was a long post to say stick with it, and I recommend grabbing a lesson to see what kind of power leaks might be present in your swing. For me personally, I need to focus on a better turn and also feeling like my head stays in place on the downswing. Otherwise I get steep and flippy, which robs me both of clubhead speed and distance.

Interesting results. On your current workouts are you not doing the non-dominant side?


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6 minutes ago, tony@CIC said:

Interesting results. On your current workouts are you not doing the non-dominant side?

Correct. I've given up the non-dominant swings for the time being. I still do some non-dominant work with medicine balls, but not much. I've had to really taper my swinging in order to stay fresh for the gym work and the 150+ swings I take at the range on the weekend. I've also been trying to lose a few pounds throughout this (so far successfully), so I'm being careful with energy levels while working in a slight calorie deficit.

Additionally, I'm the owner of a set of sore wrists and elbows (working from home on a laptop and hitting off mats are a terrible ergonomic combo), so I've had to pace myself for that reason as well.

[tony@CIC 17,433]

Correct. I've given up the non-dominant swings for the time being. I still do some non-dominant work with medicine balls, but not much. I've had to really taper my swinging in order to stay fresh for the gym work and the 150+ swings I take at the range on the weekend. I've also been trying to lose a few pounds throughout this (so far successfully), so I'm being careful with energy levels while working in a slight calorie deficit.
Additionally, I'm the owner of a set of sore wrists and elbows (working from home on a laptop and hitting off mats are a terrible ergonomic combo), so I've had to pace myself for that reason as well.

That makes sense. I know they're important but I've never been a fan of non-dominant swings especially with the kneeling portion of protocol 2.


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[revkev 22,580]

Oh man I logged on to make a comment here and just saw them most ridiculous 50 yard bunker shot by JordanSpieth.

I’m always interested in variations - the risk of them is that SuperSpeed has the research and its protocols are designed off of that. The reality is that everyone of us is different and an individually designed program makes sense.

Good luck - hate the kneeling swings which probably means I should do more of them.


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[twyatt700 660]

I had this same experience for the first two years of doing the sticks. Those numbers are eerily similar to mine across the board.
Two years ago, the first year I had the sticks, I hit 141 once with green, but never really got the blue above 125 or the red above 116. The green most of the time would be upper 120s/low 130s. I would guess most of my on course swings that year were in the upper 90s/100. And on the range my SwingCaddie confirmed that. Still, before SuperSpeed I was about 94 MPH on the SwingCaddie, so it was a bit of progress.
Last year I more consistently got the green stick to the mid 130s, blue didn't move much, and the red went up to 118-119. In addition to SuperSpeed, I went through 12 weeks of Fit For Golf's offseason program and also bought a power rack and started to lift weights consistently for the first time in my life. I switched to the FlightScope Mevo, which probably over reads club speeds a bit, but I was around 104-106 on the range with ball speeds (range balls) in the low-mid 150s. On course my average drive went up to the 250-260 mark from about 230. 
I started taking lessons in the middle of all of this, but with COVID hitting and lack of practice I had basically reverted to my pre-lesson self by April 2020.
This winter I've gone away from doing the specific protocols and recently have just been focused on two things. One, getting the red and blue clubs faster and two, swinging my driver as fast as I can both with and without balls. I have continued to lift (following Wendler's 5/3/1 now), and after my lessons in August and September feel like some things really started to click in my swing. 
The last few times out at the range I've recorded average club head speeds at 110 MPH, and have topped 160 MPH ball speed a few times. There have been a few technique changes here and there, but mostly I just feel like I'm going to swing with intent to go fast and worry about the direction later. It doesn't seem like I've actually lost any accuracy, but I know once I get out on the course I'll tighten up a bit. It's inevitable. My hope is that I get my "cruising" speed higher so that I don't need to go all out to hit a 110+ MPH number.
Lately, I've been doing (all dominant side):

• 3x Green
• 3x Blue
• 3x Red
• 3x Blue
• 3x Red
• 3x Green

Both blue and red are slowly creeping up. Today's best speeds were 139/132/123. It has been slow progress, but it's still progress.
This was a long post to say stick with it, and I recommend grabbing a lesson to see what kind of power leaks might be present in your swing. For me personally, I need to focus on a better turn and also feeling like my head stays in place on the downswing. Otherwise I get steep and flippy, which robs me both of clubhead speed and distance.

Thanks for the info! I too started the fit for golf workout program. There is something keeping me from swinging with speed on the course. Probably the fact that I’m not totally comfortable with my swing and that’s probably the biggest reason I can’t unleash!


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[rbsiedsc 1,520]

So i havent gone back in this mega thread, but are concerns of wearing your body down with too many swings? There is another overspeed system i was going to try but then balked at it in fear i was going to hurt myself adding more swings in.

[edingc 7,837]

35 minutes ago, rbsiedsc said:

So i havent gone back in this mega thread, but are concerns of wearing your body down with too many swings? There is another overspeed system i was going to try but then balked at it in fear i was going to hurt myself adding more swings in.

Certainly something that you'd have to listen to your body to truly find out. It is a lot of swings once you get to the advanced levels. There are several advocates for downsizing the program, but it's also dependent on what other work you are doing.

If you are just starting out, however, I do think it'd be best to follow the protocols at least through the second level. I saw tremendous gains in the first few weeks and think most others would, too.

In three years of doing the program I have not injured myself with the sticks. N=1 results, your mileage may vary, of course.

[jlukes 13,210]

49 minutes ago, edingc said:

Certainly something that you'd have to listen to your body to truly find out. It is a lot of swings once you get to the advanced levels. There are several advocates for downsizing the program, but it's also dependent on what other work you are doing.

If you are just starting out, however, I do think it'd be best to follow the protocols at least through the second level. I saw tremendous gains in the first few weeks and think most others would, too.

In three years of doing the program I have not injured myself with the sticks. N=1 results, your mileage may vary, of course.

This. 

and if you’re sore or haven’t recovered from a previous workout then wait another day. There’s no benefit at doing a watered down or compromised workout 

[phatcatkev 29]

Hey everyone! I remember last year reading about some members using their superspeed sticks pre round for warm up. 
 

What is your warm up routine with the sticks, if anything?

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[Apolloshowl 2,389]

2 hours ago, phatcatkev said:

Hey everyone! I remember last year reading about some members using their superspeed sticks pre round for warm up. 
 

What is your warm up routine with the sticks, if anything?

Superspeed has a warm up program that is awesome which I followed. You can view the whole video on their youtube channel.

[MaxEntropy 6,632]

9 hours ago, phatcatkev said:

Hey everyone! I remember last year reading about some members using their superspeed sticks pre round for warm up. 
 

What is your warm up routine with the sticks, if anything?

I'm with @Apolloshowl - I really like the warm-up routine for pre-round. I have made my own slight alteration, though. Rather than using the red stick for the final step, I use my Orange Whip.

[Tom the Golf Nut 2,716]

7 minutes ago, MaxEntropy said:

I'm with @Apolloshowl - I really like the warm-up routine for pre-round. I have made my own slight alteration, though. Rather than using the red stick for the final step, I use my Orange Whip.

I seem to get more out of using the orange whip over the speed sick. I get what the speed sticks are trying to accomplish but I feel like the OW is giving you more overall. The lag feel and the heavier weight compared to the SS is also helping you stay on plane more. I can see your point in switching to the OW instead of the red SS in the final step. If you can move the OW around that fast it seems like that would really increase your swing speed when you switch to the driver on the course. 

[revkev 22,580]

Hey everyone! I remember last year reading about some members using their superspeed sticks pre round for warm up. 
 
What is your warm up routine with the sticks, if anything?

Me as well - I have changed from the red to the blue for my warm ups though - I checked with SuoerSpeed and they approved of that change. I’m faster with the blue obviously.

At any rate I can do a dynamic warm up and hit driver full speed first swing without even hitting balls on the range and be fine.

Hope that helps


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[twyatt700 660]

So i havent gone back in this mega thread, but are concerns of wearing your body down with too many swings? There is another overspeed system i was going to try but then balked at it in fear i was going to hurt myself adding more swings in.

Hey since we’re both in pdx you can borrow my set, I’m rehabbing my shoulder and you can try before you buy for a few weeks if you’d want. They’re not getting much use in my garage


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