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I seem to get more out of using the orange whip over the speed sick. I get what the speed sticks are trying to accomplish but I feel like the OW is giving you more overall. The lag feel and the heavier weight compared to the SS is also helping you stay on plane more. I can see your point in switching to the OW instead of the red SS in the final step. If you can move the OW around that fast it seems like that would really increase your swing speed when you switch to the driver on the course. 

What’s the orange whip protocol? I have the yellow know off (I call it the lemon head) and just swing it to get some tempo and get loose


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Started Superspeed a month ago and I was only able to do 2 days last week for week 4 and am only able to do 2 days this week as well. Do I consider this week week 5 anyway despite only being able to do 2 days or do I just consider it like week 4.5 and start week 5 next week?

 

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1 hour ago, ZMendle10 said:

Started Superspeed a month ago and I was only able to do 2 days last week for week 4 and am only able to do 2 days this week as well. Do I consider this week week 5 anyway despite only being able to do 2 days or do I just consider it like week 4.5 and start week 5 next week?

 

Having done the protocols I would say 2 days a week is still solid work and you could consider this week 5. Trust yourself and move up the level 2 when you feel ready. I did the 3 sessions a week for most of level 1 and level 2 but towards the end of level 2 I moved to only 2 days a week. Still made some good progress and felt more comfortable since the session volume increased with new swings. Doing the protocols with some consistency should provide some gains. Keep up the hard work.

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Started Superspeed a month ago and I was only able to do 2 days last week for week 4 and am only able to do 2 days this week as well. Do I consider this week week 5 anyway despite only being able to do 2 days or do I just consider it like week 4.5 and start week 5 next week?
 


I know SuperSpeed will shoot me for this answer but on one of our conference calls in the first test they told us that two a week are sufficient for most people. They recommend 3 because they know that works and also because they know people will occasionally miss.

I’d say you’re on week 5.

Also be aware that everyone is different - so even though they may say you’ll have a jump at this point in training you may not - just be patient and stick with it though. I also found that what they call a plateau is always a step back for me but eventually I snap out of it with a jump.


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8 minutes ago, revkev said:

 


I know SuperSpeed will shoot me for this answer but on one of our conference calls in the first test they told us that two a week are sufficient for most people. They recommend 3 because they know that works and also because they know people will occasionally miss.

I’d say you’re on week 5.

Also be aware that everyone is different - so even though they may say you’ll have a jump at this point in training you may not - just be patient and stick with it though. I also found that what they call a plateau is always a step back for me but eventually I snap out of it with a jump.


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Thanks for the feedback. I was swinging pretty fast yesterday and while my starting clubspeed was down a few mph recently it was still definitively higher than when I started the training. I'll treat this as week 5 for now and see how week 6 goes before moving on to level 2.

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22 minutes ago, ejgaudette said:

Having done the protocols I would say 2 days a week is still solid work and you could consider this week 5. Trust yourself and move up the level 2 when you feel ready. I did the 3 sessions a week for most of level 1 and level 2 but towards the end of level 2 I moved to only 2 days a week. Still made some good progress and felt more comfortable since the session volume increased with new swings. Doing the protocols with some consistency should provide some gains. Keep up the hard work.

Thank you for the info. It seems that I am okay with treating this as week 5 since I was seeing higher speeds since the break. If I don't feel ready after week 6 then I will just spend another week at the green level before moving on to the blue level. Usually my days are Mon, Wed, and Fri and are pretty regular as well. Right now I am from 102 to 109 roughly so I am very happy with the results so far but I want more. 

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18 minutes ago, ZMendle10 said:

Thank you for the info. It seems that I am okay with treating this as week 5 since I was seeing higher speeds since the break. If I don't feel ready after week 6 then I will just spend another week at the green level before moving on to the blue level. Usually my days are Mon, Wed, and Fri and are pretty regular as well. Right now I am from 102 to 109 roughly so I am very happy with the results so far but I want more. 

I hear you there keep it up and I am sure you will keep making some gains, though they do get a bit smaller. I gained about 8 to 10 mph after level 1, but only about 2 mph during level 2. Still has been worth it personally. Hoping to keep it up myself. Good luck with the training.

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I hear you there keep it up and I am sure you will keep making some gains, though they do get a bit smaller. I gained about 8 to 10 mph after level 1, but only about 2 mph during level 2. Still has been worth it personally. Hoping to keep it up myself. Good luck with the training.

Any thoughts on incorporating the counterbalanced club into your workouts?

 

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3 minutes ago, ZMendle10 said:

Any thoughts on incorporating the counterbalanced club into your workouts?

 

I have not done that but plenty of other have been using both and could share their thoughts.

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22 hours ago, twyatt700 said:


What’s the orange whip protocol? I have the yellow know off (I call it the lemon head) and just swing it to get some tempo and get loose


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There are quite a few YouTube videos on it for rotation, balance, take away, and full swing instruction. A few of the rotation drills are conducted by gripping the center of the club with two hands. Then extended straight out from you. Then rotate. 

 End result is claimed as a well balanced more powerful swing. I tend to agree having used it over the last year.

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So I have the original swing speed radar and paired it with my Rapsodo yesterday. Super impressed with the og radar, was only 1 to 2 mph off what the MLM was getting. Also after a few months off I am back and trying to be consistent, going to try for a minimum of 2 times a week and hoping to get back to 3 times a week. For those who have been able to test on launch monitors, how does your full out swing with no ball compare to when you hit a ball?

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So I have the original swing speed radar and paired it with my Rapsodo yesterday. Super impressed with the og radar, was only 1 to 2 mph off what the MLM was getting. Also after a few months off I am back and trying to be consistent, going to try for a minimum of 2 times a week and hoping to get back to 3 times a week. For those who have been able to test on launch monitors, how does your full out swing with no ball compare to when you hit a ball?

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About 10 percent less between “dry” swing and real swing - my highest real swing on the Rapsodo has been 101 - I’ve hit 113 on a swing without the ball at the end of a workout.

I am hopeful that some others jump in on this question as I’d be very interested I other people’s experience.


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26 minutes ago, revkev said:

 


About 10 percent less between “dry” swing and real swing - my highest real swing on the Rapsodo has been 101 - I’ve hit 113 on a swing without the ball at the end of a workout.

I am hopeful that some others jump in on this question as I’d be very interested I other people’s experience.


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I'm pretty close to that 10% between dry and actual driver swings if you take the best numbers. A couple of differences: I use a pretty heavy driver (410) and that may be a factor in the slower driver swings. However, the bigger issue is speed consistency between swings - dry or driver. I could easily range 5% depending on what stage I'm at in the protocol (beginning or end) as well as on the range. Guess that's more reflective of age or fitness. Since I'm very data oriented, I should capture that variance. 

I'll also add that what I found interesting is that when I had stopped for a few months (because of our relocation) it didn't take but a few sessions to get back to the highest numbers previously achieved.  

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UPDATE: My goal during the winter was to hopefully be able to maintain 1-2 times per week, weather permitting. Let's just say weather did not permit. Since early November, when we had a freaky warm spell, I have been able to do the protocol exactly twice - if it wasn't raining or snowing, my deck was either wet or covered in snow. It does not help that the area of my deck that is suitable is in the shade pretty much all day. Can't wait to pick back up when the weather improves.

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On 2/9/2021 at 6:34 AM, tchat07 said:

So I have the original swing speed radar and paired it with my Rapsodo yesterday. Super impressed with the og radar, was only 1 to 2 mph off what the MLM was getting. Also after a few months off I am back and trying to be consistent, going to try for a minimum of 2 times a week and hoping to get back to 3 times a week. For those who have been able to test on launch monitors, how does your full out swing with no ball compare to when you hit a ball?

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I would say about 10 percent as well.

My best no-ball driver swing with the OG Swing Speed Radar is 124 MPH at 44.5" (I keep an older, shorter driver for this). Highest driver swing speed recorded on my FlightScope Mevo this winter was 116.4 MPH with a 45.75" Mavrik.

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On 1/28/2021 at 8:09 PM, tony@CIC said:


That makes sense. I know they're important but I've never been a fan of non-dominant swings especially with the kneeling portion of protocol 2.


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Perhaps I'm beating a dead horse, but I saw this article and recalled these posts in this thread:

Do Nondominant-Side Swings Do Anything in Golf? (simplifaster.com)

Bottom line if you're not inclined to read the article...little reason to believe that non-dominant swing training provides any real benefit.

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I read the article and of course it made sense - he's interpreting his available data for us - although if I read the article properly he readily admits there are two of the theories that he mentions where the data is not yet conclusive or from his perspective doesn't yet exist.

 

This is where it would be helpful to have SuperSpeed hop in and provide a data based rebuttal.  

I will admit that while I do the non-dominant portion of the training I do not up the swings - so as the dominant side advances to 4 or 5 swings I keep non-dominants to 3.  It would be cool to all but eliminate them.

 

Thanks for the interesting read and counter.

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4 minutes ago, revkev said:

I read the article and of course it made sense - he's interpreting his available data for us - although if I read the article properly he readily admits there are two of the theories that he mentions where the data is not yet conclusive or from his perspective doesn't yet exist.

 

This is where it would be helpful to have SuperSpeed hop in and provide a data based rebuttal.  

I will admit that while I do the non-dominant portion of the training I do not up the swings - so as the dominant side advances to 4 or 5 swings I keep non-dominants to 3.  It would be cool to all but eliminate them.

 

Thanks for the interesting read and counter.

Yeah, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to prove a point...I'm still doing the non-dominant swings too, largely because I have to believe SuperSpeed has some legitimate reasons to make them part of the protocols.  Just thought it was a worthwhile addition to the conversation.

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23 hours ago, Getoffmylawn said:

Perhaps I'm beating a dead horse, but I saw this article and recalled these posts in this thread:

Do Nondominant-Side Swings Do Anything in Golf? (simplifaster.com)

Bottom line if you're not inclined to read the article...little reason to believe that non-dominant swing training provides any real benefit.

Great article - thanks for sharing. As @revkev mentioned it would be interesting to hear SS rebuttal. I am continuing with the SS sticks but in a modified protocol. As mentioned here and other posts, I start my warm-up with the OW then move on to the sticks. I don't do the kneeling part of protocol 2 and I don't capture the non dominant swing data. I might be short changing myself, but it's working for me.  I especially feel that the OW is important. As stated I currently use it as a warm up. I will eventually move to using it after the SS.  

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2020 Official Tester :SuperSpeed: Beginning Driver Speed  - 78

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2018 Official Tester :wilson-small: C300

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1 hour ago, tony@CIC said:

Great article - thanks for sharing. As @revkev mentioned it would be interesting to hear SS rebuttal. I am continuing with the SS sticks but in a modified protocol. As mentioned here and other posts, I start my warm-up with the OW then move on to the sticks. I don't do the kneeling part of protocol 2 and I don't capture the non dominant swing data. I might be short changing myself, but it's working for me.  I especially feel that the OW is important. As stated I currently use it as a warm up. I will eventually move to using it after the SS.  

Are you doing all 3 of the Orange Whip protocols as part of your warm up?

I've had a really hard time getting loose for SS myself, largely because it's in the negatives temperature wise and I'm doing SS in an unheated garage.  I do the SS warm-up protocol faithfully but I'm thinking I'm going to add a little OW work too to try and really loosen up, at least the first torso-turning OW drill, and then maybe the one-arms.

Driver: :honma:TR20 460, Vizard 60g Stiff

FW: :tour-edge: CBX 119 3w, 15,  Project X Evenflow Blue 75g Stiff

Hybrids: :titelist-small: TS3 3 & 4H, Project X Evenflow Blue 85g Stiff

Driving Iron: :mizuno-small: MP-20 HMB 3i, UST Mamiya recoil ES 780 F3

Iron: :mizuno-small:JPX 919 Forged 4- GW, Project X 6.0

Wedges::vokey-small:SM8 54 S Grind, 60 M Grind

Putter: :EVNROLL: ER7B 

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Tested the Honma TR20 460 driver

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