PMookie Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Back in 2013-2014 when Callaway launched the Tank, and I bought a Cleveland 38” counterbalanced putter, they were everywhere! Most companies had a least one model, and the offerings for new styles came each year. Now, they’re nowhere to be seen! What happened?!How many of you played one, which one, what length, and if you don’t play it anymore, what do you use now? Why’d you switch away? As I mentioned, I had a Cleveland Almost Belly one, and then had an Odyssey, then I moved away from them. Not sure why.... Here’s an article MGS did back in 2013 on these putters: https://mygolfspy.com/counterweighted-putters-the-anchor-ban-answer/ Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro bens197 and downlowkey 2 Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 I think with the emergence of heavier putter grips and grips like super stroke that come with weight kits, length is no longer really needed to create counterbalance. All of my putters are 34" and are counterbalanced to some degree with super stroke grips and a counterbalanced weight (25g in my 355g putter heads and 50g in my 370g head). PMookie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxEntropy Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Stroke Lab putters are counterbalanced. Mine is 33.5". PMookie 1 Quote Driver: Epic Speed 9* (set -1) MMT 70X 3W: Tour B JGR Recoil 760ES 3H, 4H: Tour B JGR 19*, 23* Recoil 780ES 4-AW: Tour B JGR HF2 Modus3 Tour 105 SW: RTX Zipcore Black Satin 54* LW: TAIII Black 58* Putter: Scottsdale TR Senita Bag: BigMax Dri Active Lite Ball: TP5x or AVX (yellow) Pushcart: BigMax iQ+ Testing Complete, Final Review Posted: Sub70 TAIII Forged Wedges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 I -think he is referring to the longer above the hands type counterbalanced putters. They were typically in the 36-38" range and were created as an alternative to belly putters. But I think the answers are being provided are correct as well as a lack of people willing to purchase. bens197, PMookie, JohnSmalls and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMookie Posted May 1, 2020 Author Share Posted May 1, 2020 I -think he is referring to the longer above the hands type counterbalanced putters. They were typically in the 36-38" range and were created as an alternative to belly putters. But I think the answers are being provided are correct as well as a lack of people willing to purchase. Yes. Correct. I play a 37” putter now which isn’t counterbalanced, but I liked having that weight above my hands. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 I previously had a 31" putter, then I purchased the Ping Sigma G Doon counterbalanced putter a few years ago. Fitted at Ping HQ. It's 34" long and most of the grip is above my hands. I won't be changing putters anytime soon, but it will have to be regripped soon. The end of the grip is worn from fighting with the other club grips in my bag. PMookie 1 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose4282 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Yea the weight above the hands is what gives a true counterbalanced feel. I still game a betti ss#3 cb at 38 inches. One reason i think they have disappeared is its a little harder to have good distance control on longer putts. PMookie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_APH Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Nike had an amazing counter balanced system that gave the ability to adjust where the counter balance point was. Stroke lab has done a good job with a newer counter balanced system. That all being said I believe there is just a preference to normal length putter rather then the long ones. ? JohnSmalls and downlowkey 2 Quote as of Nov 6, 2023 (Past WITB) Driver: Paradym TD w/ GD ADDI 6X Driver Shootout! Wood: F7 3 wood 14.5* w/ Motore F1 Shaft Irons: T Series - T200 5 Iron T150 6-9 Iron T100 PW/GW Wedge: Toura Golf - A Spec 53,37,61 degree Putter: Mezz Max! Balls: Vice Pro Plus Drip (Blue/Orange) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMookie Posted May 1, 2020 Author Share Posted May 1, 2020 Yea the weight above the hands is what gives a true counterbalanced feel. I still game a betti ss#3 cb at 38 inches. One reason i think they have disappeared is its a little harder to have good distance control on longer putts.That’s my preference as well, having the longer shaft. I’ve never really felt the same sensation when I’ve tried the “standard length” CB options. I’d be curious to buy one again and do a putting challenge to look at lag putting.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMookie Posted May 1, 2020 Author Share Posted May 1, 2020 Nike had an amazing counter balanced system that gave the ability to adjust where the counter balance point was. Stroke lab has done a good job with a newer counter balanced system. That all being said I believe there is just a preference to normal length putter rather then the long ones. ?I’m sure that’s the case, putter length. I just don’t have the same feel of CB because there isn’t any weight above the hands like there was on the Cleveland that I first bought years ago. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro GolfSpy_APH 1 Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
release Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 (edited) Counter balanced "putter" works excellent in theory and on paper.... but for my game, it took away a lot of the "feel", which is a big part of my game on the putting surface. To a point the counter balanced putter interfere with my visualization , believe it or not. Maybe it's just me . Time will tell if the counter will bounce back like many other golf related inventions. More than 50% of today's "new" stuff held a pattern at one time in the past. If you have the engery to dig through the expired golf patterns, you might find something which you could reinvent. I'd made my billions if I could find a smart way to strengthen the human body and the connection to the eyes. I guess eye/hand coordination could be trained. Edited May 1, 2020 by release PMookie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 1 hour ago, release said: If you have the engery to dig through the expired golf patterns, you might find something which you could reinvent. I'd made my billions if I could find a smart way to strengthen the human body and the connection to the eyes. I guess eye/hand coordination could be trained. Alpha waves and neurofeedback to train the brain to function more effectively. Interesting article that has some application to golf... https://gunshowtrader.com/blog/shooting-accurately/ artful_golfer 1 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose4282 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 5 hours ago, Apolloshowl said: Nike had an amazing counter balanced system that gave the ability to adjust where the counter balance point was. Stroke lab has done a good job with a newer counter balanced system. That all being said I believe there is just a preference to normal length putter rather then the long ones. ? I think the name counterbalanced is being used for two different things. Technically “counterbalancing” is a club that has its weight moved more towards each end, and away from the middle. Stroke labs certainly have this. Then there are the type with the longer shafts and weight above the hands. This was designed to stabilize the head much like a belly putter used to. In my opinion, putters like the stroke lab, while Technically are counter balanced, they don't really do that. PMookie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 6 hours ago, Moose4282 said: I think the name counterbalanced is being used for two different things. Technically “counterbalancing” is a club that has its weight moved more towards each end, and away from the middle. Stroke labs certainly have this. Then there are the type with the longer shafts and weight above the hands. This was designed to stabilize the head much like a belly putter used to. In my opinion, putters like the stroke lab, while Technically are counter balanced, they don't really do that. I disagree on your definition: counterbalance is to neutralize or cancel by exerting an opposite influence. You counterbalance the grip to reduce the feel of the headweight. Stroke lab does have a counterbalance, but the strokelab concept is more about distribution of weight from the shaft to the head and grip ends of the putter. Counterbalance weights can be placed anywhere above or below the balance point. Typically it is placed above to help players better handle the heavy putter heads. PMookie 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose4282 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 26 minutes ago, cnosil said: I disagree on your definition: counterbalance is to neutralize or cancel by exerting an opposite influence. You counterbalance the grip to reduce the feel of the headweight. Stroke lab does have a counterbalance, but the strokelab concept is more about distribution of weight from the shaft to the head and grip ends of the putter. Counterbalance weights can be placed anywhere above or below the balance point. Typically it is placed above to help players better handle the heavy putter heads. But weight at or below the hands doesnt really count. Your hands are the axis in which the club swings. If the weight is directly under the hands, There will be a very slight counterbalance effect, but not even close to having significant weight above the hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 18 minutes ago, Moose4282 said: But weight at or below the hands doesnt really count. Your hands are the axis in which the club swings. If the weight is directly under the hands, There will be a very slight counterbalance effect, but not even close to having significant weight above the hands. ??? Your hands aren't the axis. In the putting stroke (or golf swing for that matter) the body doesn't rotate around the hands. Counterbalancing is simply about moving the balance point of the club. That can be accomplished by adding weight above or below the balance point. Slight or not, it is still counterbalancing and that depending on your sensitivity to weight even a gram or two could influence the feel. Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 28 minutes ago, Moose4282 said: But weight at or below the hands doesnt really count. Your hands are the axis in which the club swings. If the weight is directly under the hands, There will be a very slight counterbalance effect, but not even close to having significant weight above the hands. I believe the word you were looking for was fulcrum, not axis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, jlukes said: I believe the word you were looking for was fulcrum, not axis Fulcum may not be right either; will depend on how you swing the putter. Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downlowkey Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 13 hours ago, Apolloshowl said: Nike had an amazing counter balanced system that gave the ability to adjust where the counter balance point was. Stroke lab has done a good job with a newer counter balanced system. That all being said I believe there is just a preference to normal length putter rather then the long ones. ? Nike marketed it as the Counter Flex system. And I agree with your assertion that it's amazing. This one is a shade under 38" and I am currently trying to get it dialed in as an Armlock gamer (thumbing my nose at the former Nike Oven brain trust). My personal take on the counter weighting game: Adding mass to the handle, be it traditional or protracted in length, affects stroke awareness. And innately encourages (in theory) people with certain tendencies, to swing the entire putter on the same arc. Opposed to inadvertently incorporating additional wrist coil and release, relative to their shoulder motion. In other words, a simpler modern stroke to help limit the liability of modern green speeds. GolfSpy_APH, PMookie and JohnSmalls 3 Quote ______S9-1 Pro D - Matrix Ozik XCON 6 S ______S9-1 Pro 15* - Matrix Ozik XCON 7 S ________3DX 17* - Matrix Ozik Altus Hybrid SG ______ICON Black 4-PW - KBS Tour V S __________588 RTG 49 RTX 52.10 56.12 - DG S400 ______Amazing Grace NYC Tour CS _______'19 TP5X (the preceding have all been gamer approved) "The most important shot in golf is the next one“ - Ben Hogan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnSmalls Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 15 minutes ago, downlowkey said: Nike marketed it as the Counter Flex system. And I agree with your assertion that it's amazing. This one is a shade under 38" and I am currently trying to get it dialed in as an Armlock gamer (thumbing my nose at the former Nike Oven brain trust). My personal take on the counter weighting game: Adding mass to the handle, be it traditional or protracted in length, affects stroke awareness. And innately encourages (in theory) people with certain tendencies, to swing the entire putter on the same arc. Opposed to inadvertently incorporating additional wrist coil and release, relative to their shoulder motion. In other words, a simpler modern stroke to help limit the liability of modern green speeds. Counter flex was a pretty cool solution by Nike. But I just can’t get comfortable with the length of the putter. downlowkey and PMookie 2 Quote Gameday Vessel Sunday 2.0/ Ogio Silencer Dynapwr Carbon | Hzrdus Smoke Black Mavrik 3w | Evenflow Riptide FG Tour F5 Hybrid(20,23) | MCA Fubuki Staff Model CB 5-PW | DG 120 Vokey SM7 (50, 54, 58) | DG 120 Studio Stock 15 -ProV1x (left dash) Romans 10:9 Classic Bag Jones Collegiate Clemson Stand Bag Eye 2 Laminate 1973 Staff Dynapower 4-PW Anser DUO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose4282 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, jlukes said: I believe the word you were looking for was fulcrum, not axis Yes sir thank you Edited May 2, 2020 by Moose4282 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose4282 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, cnosil said: ??? Your hands aren't the axis. In the putting stroke (or golf swing for that matter) the body doesn't rotate around the hands. Counterbalancing is simply about moving the balance point of the club. That can be accomplished by adding weight above or below the balance point. Slight or not, it is still counterbalancing and that depending on your sensitivity to weight even a gram or two could influence the feel. I used the wrong term, its fulcrum not axis. Imagine a seesaw. The middle triangle where in connects is the fulcrum. Thats where your hands connect to the club. If there is no shaft on the other side of the fulcrum, it dont matter how the weight is distributed, its all on one side of the fulcrum. Now if its swinging, more weight away from the fulcrum would “feel heavier”. So by moving weight to the handle, right on top of the fulcrum or near, you lighten its swingweight, it will “feel” lighter to swing. Now if we put weight on the oppisite side, the effect is MUCH greater, you now have a force counter acting the force in the other side of the fulcrum. All in all its supposed to “quiet” any wrist action one may have. I know people say “ my wrists are locked”... well they think they are, but they arent Edited May 2, 2020 by Moose4282 PMookie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downlowkey Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 3 hours ago, JohnSmalls said: Counter flex was a pretty cool solution by Nike. But I just can’t get comfortable with the length of the putter. Using it as it was originally intended, I didn’t care for the feel either. But I’ve been slowly adding loft (~5 degrees) to setup as an Armlock and it’s giving me a pretty pristine path and feels great now. I’m actually actively hunting Counter Flex putters. Specifically, to harvest their adjustable hardware and pair with some other heads (Bettinardi QB6, BG Amazing Grace NYC). Finding those Nike Method CF wands, in the minty condition that @GolfSpy MPR passed this one down to me, is truly rare. From a perspective of overall tech packages, it’s one of the most intriguing putters I’ve ever owned and he gave me an unbelievable deal on it. artful_golfer and JohnSmalls 2 Quote ______S9-1 Pro D - Matrix Ozik XCON 6 S ______S9-1 Pro 15* - Matrix Ozik XCON 7 S ________3DX 17* - Matrix Ozik Altus Hybrid SG ______ICON Black 4-PW - KBS Tour V S __________588 RTG 49 RTX 52.10 56.12 - DG S400 ______Amazing Grace NYC Tour CS _______'19 TP5X (the preceding have all been gamer approved) "The most important shot in golf is the next one“ - Ben Hogan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 10 hours ago, Moose4282 said: I used the wrong term, its fulcrum not axis. Imagine a seesaw. The middle triangle where in connects is the fulcrum. Thats where your hands connect to the club. If there is no shaft on the other side of the fulcrum, it dont matter how the weight is distributed, its all on one side of the fulcrum. Now if its swinging, more weight away from the fulcrum would “feel heavier”. So by moving weight to the handle, right on top of the fulcrum or near, you lighten its swingweight, it will “feel” lighter to swing. Now if we put weight on the oppisite side, the effect is MUCH greater, you now have a force counter acting the force in the other side of the fulcrum. All in all its supposed to “quiet” any wrist action one may have. I know people say “ my wrists are locked”... well they think they are, but they arent I understand what you are saying and what you are saying is correct. The point of my original post was that counterbalance does not have to be above the hands with a longer shaft. extending the shaft adds weight on the other side of the fulcrum. This means I can put a lighter weight in the end vs a heavier weight in a shorter shaft. You are now getting into swingweight which is influenced by the weight above and below the balance point of the putter. As for the "feel", some people prefer to feel the weight in the head of the putter because they try to swing the head of the putter. Others, like you describe, want to feel their hands move the putter so putting more weight near their hands provides that feel. Also, swingweight is a static measurement that can be influenced in a lot of ways; what it doesn't take into account is total weight, both of those influence the feel and how the player responds with the club in their hands. There is a lot more to weighting putters and golf clubs; for example I can give you a putter swingweighted at E2 that weights 2 pounds and one at D2 that weights 100 pounds, the lower swingweight putter won't feel lighter to swing. downlowkey, PMookie and Kenny B 3 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose4282 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 7 hours ago, cnosil said: I understand what you are saying and what you are saying is correct. The point of my original post was that counterbalance does not have to be above the hands with a longer shaft. extending the shaft adds weight on the other side of the fulcrum. This means I can put a lighter weight in the end vs a heavier weight in a shorter shaft. You are now getting into swingweight which is influenced by the weight above and below the balance point of the putter. As for the "feel", some people prefer to feel the weight in the head of the putter because they try to swing the head of the putter. Others, like you describe, want to feel their hands move the putter so putting more weight near their hands provides that feel. Also, swingweight is a static measurement that can be influenced in a lot of ways; what it doesn't take into account is total weight, both of those influence the feel and how the player responds with the club in their hands. There is a lot more to weighting putters and golf clubs; for example I can give you a putter swingweighted at E2 that weights 2 pounds and one at D2 that weights 100 pounds, the lower swingweight putter won't feel lighter to swing. No i agree, just wish there was a better term to seperate the two, yes technically they are both counterbalanced, but they are different concepts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firebird Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 I made my own by fitting a long grip on my old Callaway Warbird Putter extending the putter length by 3". The grip has a screw in plug at the top that has and internal thread. I drilled a hole in a piece of round bar and using a Stainless steel bolt screwed it in to the internal thread then screwed it the plug back in to the top. Then I tried it and slowly removed weight until I found the perfect balance. I only use this putter when the greens are wet or in winter if the greens are left long. cnosil 1 Quote Callaway Epic Flash 9 Degree Callaway Epic Flash 3 wood 15 Degree Callaway Apex 21 Hybrid 19 Degree Callaway Steelhead Pro 4-AW Irons Cleveland 54 Degree Wedge Steel Shaft Recoil Graphite Shafts in all Callaway Cobra Vintage Series Stingray 40 Preferred ball - Seed 001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guests Guest Delete Posted May 6, 2020 Guests Share Posted May 6, 2020 On 4/30/2020 at 6:31 PM, PMookie said: Back in 2013-2014 when Callaway launched the Tank, and I bought a Cleveland 38” counterbalanced putter, they were everywhere! Most companies had a least one model, and the offerings for new styles came each year. Now, they’re nowhere to be seen! What happened?! How many of you played one, which one, what length, and if you don’t play it anymore, what do you use now? Why’d you switch away? As I mentioned, I had a Cleveland Almost Belly one, and then had an Odyssey, then I moved away from them. Not sure why.... Here’s an article MGS did back in 2013 on these putters: https://mygolfspy.com/counterweighted-putters-the-anchor-ban-answer/ Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro The Evnroll gravity grip accomplishes this same technology right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 The Evnroll gravity grip accomplishes this same technology right? The Evnroll gravity grip accomplishes this same technology right?Any counterbalance accomplishes the goal. The question is why did companies move away from the counter balance above the hands using an extended shaft; most were 3” extensions. The Evnroll gravity grip does provide counterbalance but instead of putting the weight in the shaft, the weight is below the shaft Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guests Guest Delete Posted May 6, 2020 Guests Share Posted May 6, 2020 1 hour ago, cnosil said: Any counterbalance accomplishes the goal. The question is why did companies move away from the counter balance above the hands using an extended shaft; most were 3” extensions. The Evnroll gravity grip does provide counterbalance but instead of putting the weight in the shaft, the weight is below the shaft I see the guys doing the arm lock are using 38" shafts. Kuchar, DeChambeau Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 I see the guys doing the arm lock are using 38" shafts. Kuchar, DeChambeauA bit of a different approach. Fitting a armlock isn’t about really counterbalancing but finding the right “anchor point” to ensure it fits properly. Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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