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Back in 2013-2014 when Callaway launched the Tank, and I bought a Cleveland 38” counterbalanced putter, they were everywhere! Most companies had a least one model, and the offerings for new styles came each year. Now, they’re nowhere to be seen! What happened?!

How many of you played one, which one, what length, and if you don’t play it anymore, what do you use now? Why’d you switch away?

 

As I mentioned, I had a Cleveland Almost Belly one, and then had an Odyssey, then I moved away from them. Not sure why....

 

Here’s an article MGS did back in 2013 on these putters:

 

https://mygolfspy.com/counterweighted-putters-the-anchor-ban-answer/

 

 

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I think with the emergence of heavier putter grips and grips like super stroke that come with weight kits, length is no longer really needed to create counterbalance. 

All of my putters are 34" and are counterbalanced to some degree with super stroke grips and a counterbalanced weight (25g in my 355g putter heads and 50g in my 370g head). 

 

 

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Stroke Lab putters are counterbalanced. Mine is 33.5".

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I -think he is referring to the longer above the hands type counterbalanced putters.  They were typically in the 36-38" range and were created as an alternative to belly putters.   

 

But I think the answers are being provided are correct as well as a lack of people willing to purchase.  

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I -think he is referring to the longer above the hands type counterbalanced putters.  They were typically in the 36-38" range and were created as an alternative to belly putters.   
 
But I think the answers are being provided are correct as well as a lack of people willing to purchase.  

Yes. Correct. I play a 37” putter now which isn’t counterbalanced, but I liked having that weight above my hands.


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I previously had a 31" putter, then I purchased the Ping Sigma G Doon counterbalanced putter a few years ago.  Fitted at Ping HQ.  It's 34" long and most of the grip is above my hands.  I won't be changing putters anytime soon, but it will have to be regripped soon.  The end of the grip is worn from fighting with the other club grips in my bag.

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Yea the weight above the hands is what gives a true counterbalanced feel. I still game a betti ss#3 cb at 38 inches. One reason i think they have disappeared is its a little harder to have good distance control on longer putts.

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Nike had an amazing counter balanced system that gave the ability to adjust where the counter balance point was. 

Stroke lab has done a good job with a newer counter balanced system. That all being said I believe there is just a preference to normal length putter rather then the long ones. ?

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Yea the weight above the hands is what gives a true counterbalanced feel. I still game a betti ss#3 cb at 38 inches. One reason i think they have disappeared is its a little harder to have good distance control on longer putts.

That’s my preference as well, having the longer shaft. I’ve never really felt the same sensation when I’ve tried the “standard length” CB options. I’d be curious to buy one again and do a putting challenge to look at lag putting.


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Nike had an amazing counter balanced system that gave the ability to adjust where the counter balance point was. 
Stroke lab has done a good job with a newer counter balanced system. That all being said I believe there is just a preference to normal length putter rather then the long ones. ?

I’m sure that’s the case, putter length. I just don’t have the same feel of CB because there isn’t any weight above the hands like there was on the Cleveland that I first bought years ago.


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Counter balanced "putter" works excellent in theory and on paper.... but for my game, it took away a lot of the "feel", which is a big part of my game on the putting surface.

To a point the counter balanced putter interfere with my visualization , believe it or not.  Maybe it's just me .   Time will tell if the counter will bounce back like many other golf related inventions.  More than 50% of today's "new" stuff held a pattern at one time in the past.  

If you have the engery to dig through the expired golf patterns, you might find something which you could reinvent.   I'd made my billions if I could find a smart way to strengthen the human body and the connection to the eyes.   I guess eye/hand coordination could be trained.

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1 hour ago, release said:

If you have the engery to dig through the expired golf patterns, you might find something which you could reinvent.   I'd made my billions if I could find a smart way to strengthen the human body and the connection to the eyes.   I guess eye/hand coordination could be trained.

Alpha waves and neurofeedback to train the brain to function more effectively.

Interesting article that has some application to golf...

https://gunshowtrader.com/blog/shooting-accurately/

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5 hours ago, Apolloshowl said:

Nike had an amazing counter balanced system that gave the ability to adjust where the counter balance point was. 

Stroke lab has done a good job with a newer counter balanced system. That all being said I believe there is just a preference to normal length putter rather then the long ones. ?

I think the name counterbalanced is being used for two different things. Technically “counterbalancing” is a club that has its weight moved more towards each end, and away from the middle. Stroke labs certainly have this. Then there are the type with the longer shafts and weight above the hands. This was designed to stabilize the head much like a belly putter used to. In my opinion, putters like the stroke lab, while Technically are counter balanced, they don't really do that. 

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6 hours ago, Moose4282 said:

I think the name counterbalanced is being used for two different things. Technically “counterbalancing” is a club that has its weight moved more towards each end, and away from the middle. Stroke labs certainly have this. Then there are the type with the longer shafts and weight above the hands. This was designed to stabilize the head much like a belly putter used to. In my opinion, putters like the stroke lab, while Technically are counter balanced, they don't really do that. 

I disagree on your definition:  counterbalance is to neutralize or cancel by exerting an opposite influence.  You counterbalance the grip to reduce the feel of the headweight.  Stroke lab does have a counterbalance,  but the strokelab concept is more about distribution of weight from the shaft to the head and grip ends of the putter.  Counterbalance weights can be placed anywhere above or below the balance point.  Typically it is placed above to help players better handle the heavy putter heads.  

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26 minutes ago, cnosil said:

I disagree on your definition:  counterbalance is to neutralize or cancel by exerting an opposite influence.  You counterbalance the grip to reduce the feel of the headweight.  Stroke lab does have a counterbalance,  but the strokelab concept is more about distribution of weight from the shaft to the head and grip ends of the putter.  Counterbalance weights can be placed anywhere above or below the balance point.  Typically it is placed above to help players better handle the heavy putter heads.  

But weight at or below the hands doesnt really count. Your hands are the axis in which the club swings. If the weight is directly under the hands, There will be a very slight counterbalance effect, but not even close to having significant weight above the hands. 

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18 minutes ago, Moose4282 said:

But weight at or below the hands doesnt really count. Your hands are the axis in which the club swings. If the weight is directly under the hands, There will be a very slight counterbalance effect, but not even close to having significant weight above the hands. 

???   Your hands aren't the axis.  In the putting stroke (or golf swing for that matter) the body doesn't rotate around the hands.    Counterbalancing is simply about moving the balance point of the club.  That can be accomplished by adding weight above or below the balance point. Slight or not, it is still counterbalancing and that depending on your sensitivity to weight even a gram or two could influence the feel. 

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28 minutes ago, Moose4282 said:

But weight at or below the hands doesnt really count. Your hands are the axis in which the club swings. If the weight is directly under the hands, There will be a very slight counterbalance effect, but not even close to having significant weight above the hands. 

I believe the word you were looking for was fulcrum, not axis 

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I believe the word you were looking for was fulcrum, not axis 

Fulcum may not be right either;  will depend on how you swing the putter. 

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13 hours ago, Apolloshowl said:

Nike had an amazing counter balanced system that gave the ability to adjust where the counter balance point was. 

Stroke lab has done a good job with a newer counter balanced system. That all being said I believe there is just a preference to normal length putter rather then the long ones. ?

Nike marketed it as the Counter Flex system. And I agree with your assertion that it's amazing.

This one is a shade under 38" and I am currently trying to get it dialed in as an Armlock gamer (thumbing my nose at the former Nike Oven brain trust).

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My personal take on the counter weighting game: Adding mass to the handle, be it traditional or protracted in length, affects stroke awareness. And innately encourages (in theory) people with certain tendencies, to swing the entire putter on the same arc. Opposed to inadvertently incorporating additional wrist coil and release, relative to their shoulder motion. In other words, a simpler modern stroke to help limit the liability of modern green speeds.

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Nike marketed it as the Counter Flex system. And I agree with your assertion that it's amazing.

This one is a shade under 38" and I am currently trying to get it dialed in as an Armlock gamer (thumbing my nose at the former Nike Oven brain trust).

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My personal take on the counter weighting game: Adding mass to the handle, be it traditional or protracted in length, affects stroke awareness. And innately encourages (in theory) people with certain tendencies, to swing the entire putter on the same arc. Opposed to inadvertently incorporating additional wrist coil and release, relative to their shoulder motion. In other words, a simpler modern stroke to help limit the liability of modern green speeds.

Counter flex was a pretty cool solution by Nike.  But I just can’t get comfortable with the length of the putter.  

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