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Buying products made in first world countries costs a premium.  With the high unemployment rate and many businesses that will go under how many people will be able to afford the extra costs?  Sentiment is good but not feasible for most industries.

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I try to support made in America when it makes sense.  Its not practical or realistic for all things though.  I think that a lot of people who preach about buying made in the USA also have no problem

I'd be all for US companies bringing manufacturing back to the states - who knows, it may even be possible after seeing the disruptions caused by COVID. But... it's going to require changes in expecta

I’d be willing to pay a little more if companies would simply NOT produce in Communist/Dictatorial countries. Hundreds of other locations are feasible without helping these governments. Sent from my

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44 minutes ago, Tom the Golf Nut said:

TaylorMade has a ball plant in South Carolina where the high end balls are manufactured. 

Unlike titleist, bridgestone, Srixon and Callaway they don’t own the entire process. They get their cores made by somebody else. They then assemble them 

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I buy on price, quality, and fit to my game without limitations to origin. I cannot trust the quality from Chinese direct to consumer products for golf clubs. But, my American companies that import and resell I have more faith in. For instance, my Maltby clubs from golfworks.com originate in China and are assembled in the USA. 

Some websites like dhgate.com have knockoff clubs that are clones of big OEM clubs. My friend ordered a bunch of them at a fraction of the big name brand prices. However, they just don't perform very well. I limit my direct from China products to things like ball markers and head covers.

Lastly, l don't have the luxury of paying premium prices for USA products. Just playing the game is a stretch on my budget. 

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I've contacted two companies. Tour Edge and Sub70. As expected the components (heads mostly I assume) of their clubs are made in China and "assembled - or built as they like to say in USA. I will be contacting some of the larger companies and ask the same. Although I already know the response they'll provide. If any. IMO if these companies like Callaway, TM, Ping, etc. etc start hearing from people like us as it might make them at least think about it. I've asked them - why do they do business with communist? And also a country whose stated mission is to destroy America? Why I ask. Crickets. They don't answer that.  There are plenty of "friendly" countries we can do business with if we like. Buy why do it with someone that wants to burn your house down?

If these multinational golf companies want too, they can get out of China. They got into the place with no problem didn't they? These companies can start or locate a foundry here. They could start or use a central foundry where many companies could have their heads made. It's not impossible. I can guarantee you if they announced they were getting out china they'd be applauded and their sales would increase. Can you imagine seeing on their website that they forge each head in Crossroads, USA. For example: Callaway would say they proudly make and assemble all clubs in the USA! American Made! Think of the PR bonanza. If people like us don't give a crap then neither will Callaway, TM, Ping, or any of there others. Like the old saying goes, "americans will sell us the rope we hang them with." 

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11 minutes ago, PlaidJacket said:

I've contacted two companies. Tour Edge and Sub70. As expected the components (heads mostly I assume) of their clubs are made in China and "assembled - or built as they like to say in USA. I will be contacting some of the larger companies and ask the same. Although I already know the response they'll provide. If any. IMO if these companies like Callaway, TM, Ping, etc. etc start hearing from people like us as it might make them at least think about it. I've asked them - why do they do business with communist? And also a country whose stated mission is to destroy America? Why I ask. Crickets. They don't answer that.  There are plenty of "friendly" countries we can do business with if we like. Buy why do it with someone that wants to burn your house down?

If these multinational golf companies want too, they can get out of China. They got into the place with no problem didn't they? These companies can start or locate a foundry here. They could start or use a central foundry where many companies could have their heads made. It's not impossible. I can guarantee you if they announced they were getting out china they'd be applauded and their sales would increase. Can you imagine seeing on their website that they forge each head in Crossroads, USA. For example: Callaway would say they proudly make and assemble all clubs in the USA! American Made! Think of the PR bonanza. If people like us don't give a crap then neither will Callaway, TM, Ping, or any of there others. Like the old saying goes, "americans will sell us the rope we hang them with." 

The cost to start over is probably the biggest factor in why they won’t move. Some brands may have a hard time selling product as the costs would go up. On golf forums and Facebook groups there are complaints of the cost of drivers at $500-550, iron sets at $1200+ if these companies made everything in USA those prices might be the low end of the range for drivers and everything that’s currently at those prices are going to be close to what miura or PXG prices are.

I would love to see more products made here and don’t have a problem paying extra for it but not many can or choose to. 

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3 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

I would love to see more products made here and don’t have a problem paying extra for it but not many can or choose to. 

I vote for American ingenuity and with the people of this country. We can do anything and do it well. If there is a will there is a way. I'd like to see some of these huge multinational golf companies defend their "relationship" with the chinese communist government. The curtain has been pulled back and we've all seen now what we've refused to see before. They are bad actors to put it lightly and do not wish us well. They never have. Additionally, our own government (the one we vote for) created this monster which is why manufacturing left this country. How about some incentives to bring it back? Companies were given incentives to leave - lets now incentivise them to return. Globalism is a scam. 🇺🇸

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I work for a Swiss company.  Everything we make is expensive.  China copies our products, violate our patents and could care less when they clone our products.  I have a lawyer on retainer that basically sends out cease and desist letters on our behalf every other week.  Our American competitors do all they can to make the people purchasing their products think they are made in America when they are not.  These same American companies that are huge compared to us often claim our patents are their innovation.  It freaking drives me nuts.

That being said, with the most expensive products in the market we serve, we have grown at minimum 21% annually the last 5 years in a row.  We do it because of kick ass innovation and the people that buy our products understand they are getting a quality/innovative product and are willing to pay a premium for it.  Maybe if a golf company actually had some real innovation they could justify a higher price like we do as a Swiss manufacturer.

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14 minutes ago, PlaidJacket said:

I vote for American ingenuity and with the people of this country. We can do anything and do it well. If there is a will there is a way. I'd like to see some of these huge multinational golf companies defend their "relationship" with the chinese communist government. The curtain has been pulled back and we've all seen now what we've refused to see before. They are bad actors to put it lightly and do not wish us well. They never have. Additionally, our own government (the one we vote for) created this monster which is why manufacturing left this country. How about some incentives to bring it back? Companies were given incentives to leave - lets now incentivise them to return. Globalism is a scam. 🇺🇸

I don’t disagree we can do it here and do it well. The machinery, dye, molds, etc that make golf clubs aren’t cheap. So to start all over is going to be very expensive. Based on mgs blog about pxg the mood for 1 iron head is 10k, they use 5/head and offer both LH and RH in all their irons. I’m guessing that other companies spend about that same 10k per mold. So they have that cost, then the cost of the machinery is probably in the hundred of thousands or more not to mention the time to have everything made and to find a company to make them. If they were to uproot their factories overseas that’s not going to be cheap either. Plus the downtime in manufacturing is going to delay product to shelves/consumers. Labor costs are higher here. 
 

Its a lot more to do with money than just ingenuity. Companies like Cobra could potentially go under due to lack of sales and income. A $799 set of irons from cobra is going to be a lot more and they are under 5% of the market share for irons. 
 

A pair of denim jeans made in 100% in the USA is $150ish. How many people are going to pay that per pair of jeans and many people have more than 1-2 pairs of jeans. 
 

Not defending the practices of using over seas factories but there’s a very big price tag to both the business and the consumer

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6 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Not defending the practices of using over seas factories but there’s a very big price tag to both the business and the consumer

There's a much bigger price to pay by doing business with your sworn enemy too. Further - for those companies that want to continue making their goods in China; and thereby hurting America -  each product will have to be labeled, Made in Communist China. Not just China. Let's not sugar coat facts and reality.

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1 hour ago, PlaidJacket said:

There's a much bigger price to pay by doing business with your sworn enemy too. Further - for those companies that want to continue making their goods in China; and thereby hurting America -  each product will have to be labeled, Made in Communist China. Not just China. Let's not sugar coat facts and reality.

While that might be a possibility there’s lots of consumers that don’t care that much and prefer lower costs. It will be interesting to see how things play out but is don’t see any major changes in any industry coming anytime soon. 

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I can honestly say that I don't care in the slightest whether my clubs are made here or not. It's never occurred to me to think about it before, so it seems like a very strange thing to take into account during club selection. But to each their own. 

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Tom Wishon wrote about how all manufacturers have switched to using overseas foundries for their major product lines (including his custom fit components business). He discussed the quality being there from overseas foundries and the US foundries at the time not keeping up in quality, innovation, or price. I don't know if there are any foundries in the us making cast or forged iron heads, but there are a few Asian countries (not just China) that produce good parts.

I think Cobra's MiM wedges are an exception, I believe those heads are produced here. I know there are boutique putter and wedge companies who mill heads from solid billet that are made here and not vastly more expensive than the Japanese forgings (Epon, Miura, etc).

You'll never see it in a most wanted, but Bell Putters is a cool underdog/mom and pop type company that mills putters from billet in the US and sells at a price cheaper than cast putters imported from Asia by other brands.

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I’d love to buy equipment made here in the USA and I’d pay a few dollars more to do it. In fact when I bought solar panels for my house I did just that, searching out panels made in Georgia for just a few dollars more to purchase made in the USA.

Unfortunately, we as a society decided the fate of USA club manufacturing. The Cornell Foundry in Chicago was forging all of Wilson’s stuff from the 1930’s up through the 1990’s. Same with Macgregor before they moved from Ohio to Georgia and had their clubs forged by Hoffman in Tennessee.

By the late 1990’s/early 2000’s the Tiger Boom lead to more players looking for cheaper, more forgiving clubs, ie, investment cast. The days of buying a custom ground set of forged irons that you were going to play for 10-15 years was over. Now it was a throwaway society, every two years we needed new clubs. The old guard couldn’t survive in that climate and cheap labor won out.

We can look back fondly on the days of USA made goods but unless we want to spend $4000 for a set of irons so factory workers in the USA can make a good wage, I don’t see club manufacturing coming back.


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There are two reasons club heads are made in China: labor costs & no EPA. People saying they would be willing to pay a "little more" for clubs made in the US are disillusioned that it would only be a few dollars more. The costs would be substantially more! I'm not saying it's right or wrong it's just a fact. The last Callaway wedge I purchased had a label that stated where the club was made, where the shaft was made and where the club was assembled and none of those places were the US.

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I think a lot of people also lose sight of the fact that the raw materials to actually make products on home turf probably come from abroad. The steel used for "made in USA' may not actually be 'sourced in the USA'. Imports are rife in any form of raw material for millions of products - not just golf clubs or their component parts. 

But if you ask the consumer to take a stance between environmentally and ethically sourced materials and their wallets, the wallet usually wins out every time. Personally, I'd like a company to use more recycled materials and use them more effectively to make products that eliminate global imports. 

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34 minutes ago, jaskanski said:

I think a lot of people also lose sight of the fact that the raw materials to actually make products on home turf probably come from abroad. The steel used for "made in USA' may not actually be 'sourced in the USA'. Imports are rife in any form of raw material for millions of products - not just golf clubs or their component parts. 

But if you ask the consumer to take a stance between environmentally and ethically sourced materials and their wallets, the wallet usually wins out every time. Personally, I'd like a company to use more recycled materials and use them more effectively to make products that eliminate global imports. 

I like True Linkswear golf shoes.  They have recently introduced their True Eco Knit.  The upper part is 100% recycled plastic.  

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Since the True shoes I have are made in China, I'm sure these are too, especially since they are $99.  So, we are now being sold recycled Chinese plastic!!

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Here in the USA, we are addicted to cheap goods.  I would go so far as to say that the health of our economy is predicated on the volume selling of cheap goods.  It would take someone much smarter than me to figure out a way to manufacture cheap goods in the USA while maintaining high wages.  We are sort of stuck between a rock and a hard place.

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On 6/3/2020 at 7:13 AM, Headhammer said:

There are two reasons club heads are made in China: labor costs & no EPA. People saying they would be willing to pay a "little more" for clubs made in the US are disillusioned that it would only be a few dollars more. The costs would be substantially more! I'm not saying it's right or wrong it's just a fact. The last Callaway wedge I purchased had a label that stated where the club was made, where the shaft was made and where the club was assembled and none of those places were the US.

Yup. People complain about $500 drivers, $250 hybrids and lets not forget all the heat pxg gets for their prices. We would be looking at $800+ for drivers, the current Miura price would probably be the norm for iron sets.

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On 5/5/2020 at 7:42 PM, RickyBobby_PR said:

Unlike titleist, bridgestone, Srixon and Callaway they don’t own the entire process. They get their cores made by somebody else. They then assemble them 

TaylorMade urethane model core/mantle assemblies are made by Nassau (South Korea) and Foremost (Taiwan). Then the cast thermoset urethane cover assembly, finishing, stamping, external QA, and packaging is all handled in the South Carolina factory. Their ionomer covered models are produced entirely in Asia.

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