CrazyGolfNut Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 When I first started playing, I was told that the sand wedge should have a higher bounce than the lob wedge. Today when you go to manufactures websites and fill out their survey, they tend to put the higher bounce on the lob wedge (based on my input to the survey). Your thoughts on this would be appreciated. Quote Driver _ Ping G400 Max Woods _ Ping G410 3 & 5 | Cleveland Launcher XL HALO 7 Hybrid _ Titleist 818 H1 5 Irons _ Titleist T300 6-GW Wedges _ Titleist SM9 52F & 56S Putter _ Odyssey Dual Force Rossie 2 or Rife Two Bar Hybrid Distance _ Bushnell Phantom 2 GPS | Precision Pro NX7 Pro Ball _ Titleist Pro V1 yellow GHIN _ HCP floats between 8 & 12 "Never bet against an old man with old clubs that have new grips" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Leaving out the issue of different grinds, different turf conditions, and different sand compositions, the club you intend to use for play from sand should generally have higher bounce. For me, that's my 56. Less bounce makes it easier to open the club more and hit softer lob shots, so my 60 has a little less bounce. That's my personal not-very-well-researched opinion, and may not reflect current principles. And as I noted, local conditions could alter the choices. Kanoito, Sluggo42, TexasFullSend and 2 others 5 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vrnyn Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 I have a steep angle of attack and find that the higher bounce on my wedges help combat digging too deep. Micah T 1 Quote M5 9.0* 915d 18* & 21* 716 AP2 4&5 ZB 6-P SM7 52-F, 56-S & SM6 60-K Futura X5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanoito Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 32 minutes ago, DaveP043 said: Leaving out the issue of different grinds, different turf conditions, and different sand compositions, the club you intend to use for play from sand should generally have higher bounce. For me, that's my 56. Less bounce makes it easier to open the club more and hit softer lob shots, so my 60 has a little less bounce. That's my personal not-very-well-researched opinion, and may not reflect current principles. And as I noted, local conditions could alter the choices. Same for me. 54 SW with more bounce and 58 LW with less bounce and ignoring all other variables that Dave mentioned. Quote SpeedZone 9* w/ Aldila Rogue Silver 60 S X2 Hot 3 Deep 14.5* w/ Aldila Tour Green 75 S JetSpeed 5W 19* w/ Matrix Velox T 69 S OR Super LS 3H 19* w/ Kuro Kage Black 80 S JPX919 Forged 4-PW w/ Modus3 105 S Vokey SM7 50/08F, 54/14F & 58/08M w/ Modus3 115 Wedge ER1 34" w/ SuperStroke Fatso 2.0 Pro / H2NO Lite Cart Bag / 3.0 / NX7 Pro LRF My reviews: MLA Putter // Titleist SM7 // PING i500 // PuttOUT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zrumble Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Agree with Dave. You need the most bounce on the club you are using for shots that have the clubhead come in steeply then skip forward off the ground. This is the correct bunker technique and can also be used to blast the ball out of rough or divots. Typically a 56* wedge is the club of choice for this type of shot. For shots with a shallow angle of attack, like chips and lobs, less bounce is desired to help keep the leading edge low. Quote Stats: 5'4", Male, R-Handed, Moderate Tempo, Driver SS 115mph Driver: Taylormade SiM Max 9*, TM Ventus Blue 6X 3w/5w: Callaway X-Hot, S-flex Fubuki shafts 3h: Tour Edge EXS Pro, Smoke Black 80g 6.0 4i-PW: Mizuno MP-4, DG S300 Wedges: Titleist SM7 56* Wedge: Callaway Jaws w/ 12* of bounce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy BOS Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 my bounce gets progressively higher as I move from 52 to 56 to 60. But my grinds also change too. My 52 has 8* of bounce and is the F grind. Its my lowest bounce so I'll use it off of tight lies when needed and mostly square shots. My 56 had 10* of bounce and is the S grind. It will play a lot like the 52 but has some more flexibility to open the face a little and not raise the leading edge too far off the ground. My 60 had 12* of bounce and is the D grind. It's the highest bounce, but also most versatile grind. I can open it way up and not really see a change is the leading edge height. I get pretty steep with my wedge shots, so I lean on the higher side of bounce overall. But I'd rather have to deal with a bad hardpan lie once in a while than struggle like I used to on softer fairways and lower bounce options. Rtracymog 1 Quote Epic Max LS 10.5 - Motore X F3 6X | Speedzone 5-wood - Ventus Blue 8S | TSi3 20* Hybrid - KBS Proto 85S SMS Pro 4-PW - Steelfiber i110S | MG3 Raw Black 50.09, 54.11, 58.11 - DG TI S200 ER2B | Pro V1x | NX9 Slope | Jones Trouper R | CaddyLite EZ v8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Set makeup is generally what works best for you. I recently watched a video with short game instructor James sieckmann and his recommendation is having one high bounce and one low bounce. Depending on how you use your wedges the sand wedge has highest and lob the lowest. RickyBobby_PR 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 1 hour ago, cnosil said: Set makeup is generally what works best for you. I recently watched a video with short game instructor James sieckmann and his recommendation is having one high bounce and one low bounce. Depending on how you use your wedges the sand wedge has highest and lob the lowest. I believe Bob Vokey recommends the same setup of for golfers and as you mention the use of the wedge will go into where to put it as Will course conditions. Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 1 minute ago, RickyBobby_PR said: I believe Bob Vokey recommends the same setup of for golfers and as you mention the use of the wedge will go into where to put it as Will course conditions. Yup. I use my Lob wedge on partial shots from normal fairway lies and trouble shots around the green (rough and bunkers) so I have higher bounce in my 59 than in my 54 RickyBobby_PR and GolfSpy BOS 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titleist87 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Generally speaking, the SW should have the higher bounce as the interaction with the sand and bounce work together. If you have a higher bounce in the LW, the chance to turn a 30-yard lob shot into a 60-yard lob shot is greatly increased. Not taking into account grinds, turf conditions, etc. heribertomaya 1 Quote Fly Z+ UST Proforce V2 Black Golfsmith Jet Stream 3W UST Proforce V2 915 H3 Diamana Red 915 H4 Diamana Red Apex Edge Pro UST Recoil Dart Vokey SM6 50F/54S/58S Aerotech SteelFiber Huntington Beach 11S Pro V1 Bag Boy Chiller Bag Boy Quad XL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEZIPR23 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 I play all my green side bunker shots and 95% of shots inside 80 yards with my 59* and 3* bounce. Have always had my lob wedge with about the lowest possible bounce out there. Just fits my game better that way. Quote Stealth 2+ 9 (Diamana PD 60 S 45") Stealth 2+ 15 (Diamana PD 70 S 43") G425 19 (Raijin 2.0 85x) G425 22 (Raijin 2.0 85x) ZX7 5-9 (KBS C Taper S) Vokey SM9 45 10 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 49 08 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 55 08 M (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 59 04 T (KBS 610) Spider GT Splitback 34" ProV1 #23 Twitter @THEZIPR23 "One thing Golf has taught me, is that my muscles have no memory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Titleist87 said: Generally speaking, the SW should have the higher bounce as the interaction with the sand and bounce work together. If you have a higher bounce in the LW, the chance to turn a 30-yard lob shot into a 60-yard lob shot is greatly increased. Not taking into account grinds, turf conditions, etc. It depends on whether one is using the sw for sand shots. Just because it has sand in the name doesn’t mean everyone uses it for that purpose. I know some guys that only play lw from bunkers. also depends on the type of sand used. There’s no one size fits all Micah T and TR1PTIK 2 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titleist87 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 48 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said: It depends on whether one is using the sw for sand shots. Just because it has sand in the name doesn’t mean everyone uses it for that purpose. I know some guys that only play lw from bunkers. also depends on the type of sand used. There’s no one size fits all Agreed, which is why I used term "generally" and not not factoring in grinds, turf conditions, etc. Quote Fly Z+ UST Proforce V2 Black Golfsmith Jet Stream 3W UST Proforce V2 915 H3 Diamana Red 915 H4 Diamana Red Apex Edge Pro UST Recoil Dart Vokey SM6 50F/54S/58S Aerotech SteelFiber Huntington Beach 11S Pro V1 Bag Boy Chiller Bag Boy Quad XL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zrumble Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Yea you can also affect the bounce by changing the face angle at impact, shaft lean, grind relief, and a bunch of other variables that you can take into account. But to keep golf simple I really like the two wedge setup above. One “sand wedge” that has high bounce for shots that require a club to not dig with a more vertical angle of attack, and one “gap wedge” or “lob wedge” with low bounce for shots that are shallower angle of attack. The loft is personal choice but 56 is common for a “sand wedge”, 52 for a “gap wedge”, and 60 for a “lob wedge”. I like starting out with a 52 and 56 degree wedge bc the 60 degree loft tends to be difficult to use until there are good wedge play mechanics in place. Once one starts to figure out how to use two wedges with good mechanics then there are a ton of options to customize or specialize. Quote Stats: 5'4", Male, R-Handed, Moderate Tempo, Driver SS 115mph Driver: Taylormade SiM Max 9*, TM Ventus Blue 6X 3w/5w: Callaway X-Hot, S-flex Fubuki shafts 3h: Tour Edge EXS Pro, Smoke Black 80g 6.0 4i-PW: Mizuno MP-4, DG S300 Wedges: Titleist SM7 56* Wedge: Callaway Jaws w/ 12* of bounce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy BOS Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Generally speaking, the SW should have the higher bounce as the interaction with the sand and bounce work together. If you have a higher bounce in the LW, the chance to turn a 30-yard lob shot into a 60-yard lob shot is greatly increased. Not taking into account grinds, turf conditions, etc.It’s funny because I dig down with a low bounce LW so much more frequently than I’ll thin or skull the high bounce so its the opposite for me.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk cnosil and Kenny B 2 Quote Epic Max LS 10.5 - Motore X F3 6X | Speedzone 5-wood - Ventus Blue 8S | TSi3 20* Hybrid - KBS Proto 85S SMS Pro 4-PW - Steelfiber i110S | MG3 Raw Black 50.09, 54.11, 58.11 - DG TI S200 ER2B | Pro V1x | NX9 Slope | Jones Trouper R | CaddyLite EZ v8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 1 hour ago, B.Boston said: It’s funny because I dig down with a low bounce LW so much more frequently than I’ll thin or skull the high bounce so its the opposite for me. I tend to do the same. Bounce is my friend. Both my 54 and my 60 have high bounce... 14 and 12º respectively, but they have a C-grind so are easy to open up without skulling. I also play both on firm turf, but my 60 is my goto. I use both from the sand; the 60 close to the green with a close pin and the 54 if I have a longer shot. GolfSpy BOS 1 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy BOS Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 I tend to do the same. Bounce is my friend. Both my 54 and my 60 have high bounce... 14 and 12º respectively, but they have a C-grind so are easy to open up without skulling. I also play both on firm turf, but my 60 is my goto. I use both from the sand; the 60 close to the green with a close pin and the 54 if I have a longer shot.I’m going from 7* of bounce in my LW to 12* and I can really feel the difference even in my yard. So much more forgiving for my swing.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Kenny B 1 Quote Epic Max LS 10.5 - Motore X F3 6X | Speedzone 5-wood - Ventus Blue 8S | TSi3 20* Hybrid - KBS Proto 85S SMS Pro 4-PW - Steelfiber i110S | MG3 Raw Black 50.09, 54.11, 58.11 - DG TI S200 ER2B | Pro V1x | NX9 Slope | Jones Trouper R | CaddyLite EZ v8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1PTIK Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Online fitting tools likely recommend higher bounce on the LW because most golfers tend to use their highest lofted wedge for bunker shots which is where you would most likely need additional bounce. Personally, I like the 54-56* wedge to have the most bounce and my 58-60* wedge to have a bit less bounce with a different grind. Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zrumble Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 4 hours ago, B.Boston said: I’m going from 7* of bounce in my LW to 12* and I can really feel the difference even in my yard. So much more forgiving for my swing. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Sounds like you have a steep attack angle, in which case bounce is desired to stop the leading edge from digging. GolfSpy BOS and Micah T 2 Quote Stats: 5'4", Male, R-Handed, Moderate Tempo, Driver SS 115mph Driver: Taylormade SiM Max 9*, TM Ventus Blue 6X 3w/5w: Callaway X-Hot, S-flex Fubuki shafts 3h: Tour Edge EXS Pro, Smoke Black 80g 6.0 4i-PW: Mizuno MP-4, DG S300 Wedges: Titleist SM7 56* Wedge: Callaway Jaws w/ 12* of bounce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy BOS Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Sounds like you have a steep attack angle, in which case bounce is desired to stop the leading edge from digging. I absolutely do. 110% accurate. I’m pretty sure I’ve taken a divot in wet conditions that was a good foot long and 2-3 inches deep. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk zrumble and Micah T 1 1 Quote Epic Max LS 10.5 - Motore X F3 6X | Speedzone 5-wood - Ventus Blue 8S | TSi3 20* Hybrid - KBS Proto 85S SMS Pro 4-PW - Steelfiber i110S | MG3 Raw Black 50.09, 54.11, 58.11 - DG TI S200 ER2B | Pro V1x | NX9 Slope | Jones Trouper R | CaddyLite EZ v8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zrumble Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 (edited) @B.Boston Yea I’ve had a similar experience. Though I tend to be a picker and just shave the grass. Playing at an extremely well kept private club in VA during a high school match, small green and I really wanted some zip. Well I got the spin back, but I also took a full yard of turf 2” deep with it... put the slice back in the divot, but I felt guilty the entire walk to the green. Edited May 14, 2020 by zrumble GolfSpy BOS 1 Quote Stats: 5'4", Male, R-Handed, Moderate Tempo, Driver SS 115mph Driver: Taylormade SiM Max 9*, TM Ventus Blue 6X 3w/5w: Callaway X-Hot, S-flex Fubuki shafts 3h: Tour Edge EXS Pro, Smoke Black 80g 6.0 4i-PW: Mizuno MP-4, DG S300 Wedges: Titleist SM7 56* Wedge: Callaway Jaws w/ 12* of bounce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip4000 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 I actually have a high bounce on both my 54 and 58. However I typically use my 58 for sand shots Quote Right Handed Taylormade sim2 9 degree ventus black 7x ( velecore) 44.5 Callaway epic flash sz 5 wood 17 degree tensi AV blue X Mizuno CLK 19 degree tensi av blue X Callaway x forged 16 4-pw Project x 6.0 +.75 Vokey SM7 black 50/54/58 Project x 6.0 flighted +.5 length Scotty cameron newport 2.6 34 length Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micah T Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Sounds like you have a steep attack angle, in which case bounce is desired to stop the leading edge from digging. Me too: I’ve got the K grind on my 60, as well as 12 degrees of bounce. I’ve got the F grind on my 52 & 56, as I primarily use them as full swing clubs and my 60 for sand, flops, chips & pitches.Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy zrumble 1 Quote Driver - Cobra LtDxLS 3 Wood - Ping g410 LST 2iron - Titleist U505 Irons - Ping i59 Wedges - Vokey Sm9 Putter - Mizuno Mcraft IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy BOS Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Going to be kind of going in reverse for the #cobraconnect challenge 4. Currently I have SM7 in 52.08F, 56.10S, 60.12D. I’m keeping 3 different grinds on the MIMs but the bounce is reversed.52.12 Classic (looks similar to Vokey S but higher bounce)56.10 Versatile (looks like An M grind)60.04 widelow (looks like the new K low bounce)I never would have thought of a bounce that low, but with the wide sole I think it might work well. And I’ll still have options for various lies which I did not have before. Looking at arccos ive used all of my wedges so far this season fairly evenly. In prior years that would not be the case. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk GolfSpy_SHARK and sirchunksalot 2 Quote Epic Max LS 10.5 - Motore X F3 6X | Speedzone 5-wood - Ventus Blue 8S | TSi3 20* Hybrid - KBS Proto 85S SMS Pro 4-PW - Steelfiber i110S | MG3 Raw Black 50.09, 54.11, 58.11 - DG TI S200 ER2B | Pro V1x | NX9 Slope | Jones Trouper R | CaddyLite EZ v8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_SHARK Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 I have the CBX2 wedges. 50/54/58. Al different grinds all high bounce for wedges. They all play great out of the sand. I love this 58. Easily open up the face but “theoretically” this 54 should be better. all depends on what you feel I think. Give me a club I’ll hit it out of the sand. Quote Check out my reviews: G710 Irons Official Review I MC Shaft & V Series Putter Official Review 2022 Forged Tec's Official Review I Nitron Push Cart Official Review WITB: Weapons of grass destruction (link to WITB) Traverse is filled with all this shiny metal and tracked by RadSpeed 8* - MotoreX F1 6X SIM 3W - Project X HZRDUS Green U505 Driving Iron 17* - Project X HZRDUS Black SpeedZone 4H - Project X HZRDUS Black 2022 King Forged Tec's 4-PW - KBS $ Tape 130 48 (SM8), 52 & 60 (SM7) - Nippon Modus 125 S ER2VI PROV1X #19 Are you a veteran? Check out the Veterans Golf Association (VGA) Thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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