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When I first started playing, I was told that the sand wedge should have a higher bounce than the lob wedge.  Today when you go to manufactures websites and fill out their survey, they tend to put the higher bounce on the lob wedge (based on my input to the survey).  Your thoughts on this would be appreciated.

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Leaving out the issue of different grinds, different turf conditions, and different sand compositions, the club you intend to use for play from sand should generally have higher bounce.  For me, that's my 56.  Less bounce makes it easier to open the club more and hit softer lob shots, so my 60 has a little less bounce.  That's my personal not-very-well-researched opinion, and may not reflect current principles.  And as I noted, local conditions could alter the choices.

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I have a steep angle of attack and find that the higher bounce on my wedges help combat digging too deep.

 

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32 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

Leaving out the issue of different grinds, different turf conditions, and different sand compositions, the club you intend to use for play from sand should generally have higher bounce.  For me, that's my 56.  Less bounce makes it easier to open the club more and hit softer lob shots, so my 60 has a little less bounce.  That's my personal not-very-well-researched opinion, and may not reflect current principles.  And as I noted, local conditions could alter the choices.

Same for me. 54 SW with more bounce and 58 LW with less bounce and ignoring all other variables that Dave mentioned.

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Agree with Dave. You need the most bounce on the club you are using for shots that have the clubhead come in steeply then skip forward off the ground. This is the correct bunker technique and can also be used to blast the ball out of rough or divots. Typically a 56* wedge is the club of choice for this type of shot. For shots with a shallow angle of attack, like chips and lobs, less bounce is desired to help keep the leading edge low. 

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my bounce gets progressively higher as I move from 52 to 56 to 60.  But my grinds also change too.

My 52 has 8* of bounce and is the F grind.  Its my lowest bounce so I'll use it off of tight lies when needed and mostly square shots.

My 56 had 10* of bounce and is the S grind.  It will play a lot like the 52 but has some more flexibility to open the face a little and not raise the leading edge too far off the ground.

My 60 had 12* of bounce and is the D grind.  It's the highest bounce, but also most versatile grind.  I can open it way up and not really see a change is the leading edge height.

I get pretty steep with my wedge shots, so I lean on the higher side of bounce overall. But I'd rather have to deal with a bad hardpan lie once in a while than struggle like I used to on softer fairways and lower bounce options.

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Set makeup is generally what works best for you. I recently watched a video with short game instructor James sieckmann and his recommendation is having one high bounce and one low bounce. Depending on how you use your wedges the sand wedge has highest and lob the lowest.

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1 hour ago, cnosil said:

Set makeup is generally what works best for you. I recently watched a video with short game instructor James sieckmann and his recommendation is having one high bounce and one low bounce. Depending on how you use your wedges the sand wedge has highest and lob the lowest.

I believe Bob Vokey recommends the same setup of for golfers and as you mention the use of the wedge will go into where to put it as Will course conditions. 

 

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1 minute ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

I believe Bob Vokey recommends the same setup of for golfers and as you mention the use of the wedge will go into where to put it as Will course conditions. 

 

Yup.  I use my Lob wedge on partial shots from normal fairway lies  and trouble shots around the green (rough and bunkers) so I have higher bounce in my 59 than in my 54

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Generally speaking, the SW should have the higher bounce as the interaction with the sand and bounce work together. If you have a higher bounce in the LW, the chance to turn a 30-yard lob shot into a 60-yard lob shot is greatly increased. Not taking into account grinds, turf conditions, etc.

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I play all my green side bunker shots and 95% of shots inside 80 yards with my 59* and 3* bounce. Have always had my lob wedge with about the lowest possible bounce out there. Just fits my game better that way. 

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1 hour ago, Titleist87 said:

Generally speaking, the SW should have the higher bounce as the interaction with the sand and bounce work together. If you have a higher bounce in the LW, the chance to turn a 30-yard lob shot into a 60-yard lob shot is greatly increased. Not taking into account grinds, turf conditions, etc.

It depends on whether one is using the sw for sand shots. Just because it has sand in the name doesn’t mean everyone uses it for that purpose. I know some guys that only play lw from bunkers.

also depends on the type of sand used. There’s no one size fits all

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48 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

It depends on whether one is using the sw for sand shots. Just because it has sand in the name doesn’t mean everyone uses it for that purpose. I know some guys that only play lw from bunkers.

also depends on the type of sand used. There’s no one size fits all

Agreed, which is why I used term "generally" and not not factoring in grinds, turf conditions, etc.

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Yea you can also affect the bounce by changing the face angle at impact, shaft lean, grind relief, and a bunch of other variables that you can take into account.

  But to keep golf simple I really like the two wedge setup above. One “sand wedge” that has high bounce for shots that require a club to not dig with a more vertical angle of attack, and one “gap wedge” or “lob wedge” with low bounce for shots that are shallower angle of attack. The loft is personal choice but 56 is common for a “sand wedge”, 52 for a “gap wedge”, and 60 for a “lob wedge”. I like starting out with a 52 and 56 degree wedge bc the 60 degree loft tends to be difficult to use until there are good wedge play mechanics in place. 
 

Once one starts to figure out how to use two wedges with good mechanics then there are a ton of options to customize or specialize. 

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Generally speaking, the SW should have the higher bounce as the interaction with the sand and bounce work together. If you have a higher bounce in the LW, the chance to turn a 30-yard lob shot into a 60-yard lob shot is greatly increased. Not taking into account grinds, turf conditions, etc.

It’s funny because I dig down with a low bounce LW so much more frequently than I’ll thin or skull the high bounce so its the opposite for me.


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1 hour ago, B.Boston said:


It’s funny because I dig down with a low bounce LW so much more frequently than I’ll thin or skull the high bounce so its the opposite for me.
 

I tend to do the same.  Bounce is my friend.  Both my 54 and my 60 have high bounce... 14 and 12º respectively, but they have a C-grind so are easy to open up without skulling.  I also play both on firm turf, but my 60 is my goto.  I use both from the sand; the 60 close to the green with a close pin and the 54 if I have a longer shot.

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I tend to do the same.  Bounce is my friend.  Both my 54 and my 60 have high bounce... 14 and 12º respectively, but they have a C-grind so are easy to open up without skulling.  I also play both on firm turf, but my 60 is my goto.  I use both from the sand; the 60 close to the green with a close pin and the 54 if I have a longer shot.

I’m going from 7* of bounce in my LW to 12* and I can really feel the difference even in my yard. So much more forgiving for my swing.


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Online fitting tools likely recommend higher bounce on the LW because most golfers tend to use their highest lofted wedge for bunker shots which is where you would most likely need additional bounce. Personally, I like the 54-56* wedge to have the most bounce and my 58-60* wedge to have a bit less bounce with a different grind.

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4 hours ago, B.Boston said:


I’m going from 7* of bounce in my LW to 12* and I can really feel the difference even in my yard. So much more forgiving for my swing.


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Sounds like you have a steep attack angle, in which case bounce is desired to stop the leading edge from digging. 

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Sounds like you have a steep attack angle, in which case bounce is desired to stop the leading edge from digging. 

I absolutely do. 110% accurate.

I’m pretty sure I’ve taken a divot in wet conditions that was a good foot long and 2-3 inches deep.


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