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3 hours ago, sixcat said:

Geoff Ogilvy talks about it quite a bit on The Fried Egg.  He just got tired of the constant travel and scaled his life back.  Sold his house in Scottsdale and moved back to Australia.  Guys like Justin Leonard, Corey Pavin and Lee Janzen were hurt by the solid core golf ball.  Luke Donald and Jordan Spieth have hurt themselves chasing distance.  Hunter Mahan and Lucas Glover got distracted in their personal lives.  Mike Weir got stacked and tilted. 

Edit to add; Martin Kaymer has always had larger peaks and valleys than other top players in the world.  But trying to move away from a natural fade to a draw has hurt him a lot too.

 

Explain your solid core golf ball theory.

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32 minutes ago, Titleist87 said:

Explain your solid core golf ball theory.

The ball doesn't spin anymore like it did with wound balls.  Controlling that spin was vital to posting a score.  The solid core golf ball evens the playing field by bringing more guys into the mix.  It's sort of taking some of the skill and importance out of ball striking.  

Guys like Leonard, Pavin and Janzen used the spin of a wound ball to their advantage.  They controlled the golf ball better than almost everyone else.  It was an advantage for them.  Now, straight up distance is king because guys can lash at the ball without much concern of losing 100 yards in distance and the ball going 100 yards offline.

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Here are some articles I remember from way back when on the topic.

https://vault.si.com/vault/2001/04/16/great-balls-of-fire-the-record-low-cut-at-the-masters-was-only-the-latest-example-of-how-a-hot-trend-in-equipment-has-affected-the-tour

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/how-the-titleist-pro-v1-revolu

https://golf.com/gear/golf-balls/tiger-woods-golf-ball-nike/

https://golf.com/gear/golf-balls/mark-omeara-explains-how-he-influenced-tiger-woods-change-to-modern-golf-ball/

When high spin players like Leonard can't change their swing to match up better with a low spin game, they get boat-raced.  The solid core golf ball actually hurts them because they lose distance, control and more importantly, confidence.  

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2 hours ago, sixcat said:

The ball doesn't spin anymore like it did with wound balls.  Controlling that spin was vital to posting a score.  The solid core golf ball evens the playing field by bringing more guys into the mix.  It's sort of taking some of the skill and importance out of ball striking.  

Guys like Leonard, Pavin and Janzen used the spin of a wound ball to their advantage.  They controlled the golf ball better than almost everyone else.  It was an advantage for them.  Now, straight up distance is king because guys can lash at the ball without much concern of losing 100 yards in distance and the ball going 100 yards offline.

Not sure this argument holds water.

Leonard finished every major in 2002 in top 20. 8 of his 12 wins came after the ball change. Maybe it helped him? 

Pavin missed 5 of 8 cuts in majors prior to 2000. Which is prior to the ball change. His game was already falling off. 

Janzen never won again after 98 open. If you look at his record nothing changes before or after ball change. 

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Chris DiMarco, Boo Weekley, and Chad Campbell, Hunter Mahan come to mind. 

Boo! After the Ryder Cup, not much. Great character that is missed!


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Yeah, Boo's another one who's career took a nosedive after injury. He's been dealing with tendonitis for quite awhile.


Boo! After the Ryder Cup, not much. Great character that is missed!


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Not sure this argument holds water.

Leonard finished every major in 2002 in top 20. 8 of his 12 wins came after the ball change. Maybe it helped him? 

Pavin missed 5 of 8 cuts in majors prior to 2000. Which is prior to the ball change. His game was already falling off. 

Janzen never won again after 98 open. If you look at his record nothing changes before or after ball change. 

 

It was never intended to be an “argument” not was it ever presented that way. You’ll have to forgive me if I take Ogilvy’s opinion over yours!

 

 

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11 minutes ago, sixcat said:

 

It was never intended to be an “argument” not was it ever presented that way. You’ll have to forgive me if I take Ogilvy’s opinion over yours!

 

 

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I didn’t offer my opinion, just the facts. 

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I don’t want any controversy but this is an interesting thread.
There has to be a ton of players who for some reason fell off the end of the earth.
Quite a few have been mentioned that make sense.
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ton of potential and swag and got injured and vanished

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These were just posted on Instagram. Pros and their record in the 2000s! A few here we haven’t mentioned.
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Anthony Kim!

AK had the chance to return, but it came down to the decision to take $10 million guaranteed if he didn’t golf again... Of all the ones mentioned so far, he was the youngest, and a favorite of mine. Took the money and ran. Sadly, with the advent of Social Media, and it’s use today, I think he could’ve made well over $10 million!
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Has Bill Hass been mentioned yet?

 

 

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