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Start at the end and work backwards.  Compare urethane vs. surlyn on the green.  Spend a bit of time putting to see what works.  Then try chipping from the fringe and short wedges to see about spin.  If you don't find a fav, then go and wail away off the tee. 

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On 1/14/2021 at 12:45 PM, Firebird said:

The data is copied directly from MSG Ball Comparison 2019.

Yes it matches that lab, but as noted later in the thread MGS changed the equipment they are testing compression with and the results are more consistent now.

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On 6/16/2021 at 6:29 PM, greggarner said:

The difference between tour balls off the driver at high swing speeds is generally pretty negligible, when comparing like models (i.e. ZStar vs ProV1 and ZStar XV vs ProV1x, Vice Pro vs ProV1 and Vice Pro Plus vs ProV1x, etc) and in general, the slower the swing speed, the less difference there is. Now, you mention Supersoft, which is an interesting wrinkle. Since many ionomer balls spin less than urethane balls (all Tour balls are urethane), high launch/low spin is a recipe for distance off the tee.

In this paradigm, I'd be really interested to see ionomer/low spin balls vs Tour-level low spin balls (TP5x, ProV1x Left Dash, etc). I don't know of many of these comparisons, but TXG did test the TaylorMade lineup (albeit at 120 mph) and found the Tour Response to be longer in the irons than either of the TP5 models. Off the tee, 120mph was too much juice, but at 85-90mph? I bet you could pickup a few yards...

@greggarner the Pro V became the lower spinning and the '1x the higher spinning ball with the 2017 versions. I thought all the 'x' versions followed that but a little reading shows the TP5x is, while high spinning around the green, lower than the straight TP5. You'd think everyone would follow some level of standardization to help the rest of us out but...

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8 hours ago, Subdiver1 said:

 You'd think everyone would follow some level of standardization to help the rest of us out but...

Standardization and golf industry are mutually exclusive terms.  

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Compression does matter but not necessarily for distance.  Compression can cost you ball speed at all swing speeds, but that doesn't necessarily mean you lose distance.  Distance is a combination of ball speed, launch, and backspin regardless of the clubhead speed applied to the ball.  Higher ball speed is better but not necessarily at the expense of ideal launch and backspin characteristics.  

It is all about what fits you best.  For me, I apply too much spin on every shot (driver to wedge... the putter is good though) so I am experimenting with lower spin alternatives and some of those are lower compression balls.  I haven't been able to test it on a launch monitor yet, but I think there is a good chance I have better ball flight with the AVX than I would the the Pro V1X.  The lower spin and launch should give me better distance and still have plenty of spin.  Again, that is just me, others may benefit from the higher compression, higher launch and higher spin.  

At the end if the day, if you are trying to get your driver down the fairway 300 yards, it doesn't matter if when you get there you ball speed was a little lower because you hit a low compression ball.

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I've noticed compression matters on the low end. I have a decent 105ish driver swing. Based on the ball labs it seems around 75 comp is where balls start losing distance. I've played the Chrome Soft & Q Star Tour and both those are about a club and half shorter then my Z-Star/ProV1 gamers. The only ball I've seen add distance is the AVX, I keep waiting for this ball lab.

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Compression doesnt really matter because of all the crazy construction with ball technology......do you think a 91 compressionin a TP5X is the same as a 91 compression with a 3pc ball?

 

 

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On 8/1/2021 at 9:25 AM, DiscipleofPenick said:

I've noticed compression matters on the low end. I have a decent 105ish driver swing. Based on the ball labs it seems around 75 comp is where balls start losing distance. I've played the Chrome Soft & Q Star Tour and both those are about a club and half shorter then my Z-Star/ProV1 gamers. The only ball I've seen add distance is the AVX, I keep waiting for this ball lab.

Kind of like what dkeonig mentioned about spin rates, it may be that you are losing distance because of spin and the low spin design of the AVX helps out.  I see you are a 4 HDCP so I would assume you've already considered that, but since you hadn't mentioned whether spin was a factor...  I am not sure how much of a universal fix a ball change is?  My driver swing speed is also in the 105 range and I like the feel and distance of the AVX as well, but I don't feel like I have as much control around the green.  Then again, maybe I am missing something. 

Great discussion.

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12 hours ago, Subdiver1 said:

Kind of like what dkeonig mentioned about spin rates, it may be that you are losing distance because of spin and the low spin design of the AVX helps out.  I see you are a 4 HDCP so I would assume you've already considered that, but since you hadn't mentioned whether spin was a factor...  I am not sure how much of a universal fix a ball change is?  My driver swing speed is also in the 105 range and I like the feel and distance of the AVX as well, but I don't feel like I have as much control around the green.  Then again, maybe I am missing something. 

Great discussion.

I do generally play the medium spin ProV1 and Z-Star. I don't feel like I'm giving up distance. I've tried the low spin V1x and TP5x this year and I don't hit them any further. And I like them less as they are quite clicky and don't react the way I like balls to around the greens. 

I'm going something is revealed in the 2021 ball test or a ball lab as to why the AVX is such a longer ball for me. Based on what it's rated and what others on the forum say, it shouldn't be longer. Also I hit it just as high as any other ball, but I don't know what is launch characteristics are.

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1 hour ago, DiscipleofPenick said:

I do generally play the medium spin ProV1 and Z-Star. I don't feel like I'm giving up distance. I've tried the low spin V1x and TP5x this year and I don't hit them any further. And I like them less as they are quite clicky and don't react the way I like balls to around the greens. 

I'm going something is revealed in the 2021 ball test or a ball lab as to why the AVX is such a longer ball for me. Based on what it's rated and what others on the forum say, it shouldn't be longer. Also I hit it just as high as any other ball, but I don't know what is launch characteristics are.

FWIW, the V1x is higher spin than the traditional V1. The TP5x is lower-spin than the TP5 (and arguably one of the lowest-spinning balls on the market) but one of the last remaining X-balls that is lower-spin than its "standard" counterpart.

I, too, hit the AVX longer than either the V1 or V1x, but when looking at launch monitor data, it's roll-out and not carry that generates the extra distance. Since the AVX is lower-spinning (relatively), it makes sense that it would roll out more. I haven't played the Left Dash, but with higher launch and lower spin, it should be the longest of the bunch, but again, it's worth noting if the length is coming from carry or roll-out.

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32 minutes ago, greggarner said:

FWIW, the V1x is higher spin than the traditional V1. The TP5x is lower-spin than the TP5 (and arguably one of the lowest-spinning balls on the market) but one of the last remaining X-balls that is lower-spin than its "standard" counterpart.

I, too, hit the AVX longer than either the V1 or V1x, but when looking at launch monitor data, it's roll-out and not carry that generates the extra distance. Since the AVX is lower-spinning (relatively), it makes sense that it would roll out more. I haven't played the Left Dash, but with higher launch and lower spin, it should be the longest of the bunch, but again, it's worth noting if the length is coming from carry or roll-out.

My home course is so dang soft I imagine it's all carry. But I don't have anywhere to hit balls on a launch monitor to know for sure. Does anywhere do an agnostic ball fitting?

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18 hours ago, DiscipleofPenick said:

My home course is so dang soft I imagine it's all carry. But I don't have anywhere to hit balls on a launch monitor to know for sure. Does anywhere do an agnostic ball fitting?

2nd Swing and PGA TOUR Superstore do, though I haven't been through a fitting with either.

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23 minutes ago, greggarner said:

2nd Swing and PGA TOUR Superstore do, though I haven't been through a fitting with either.

Closest PGA SS is a little over 2 hours. 🙁

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On 8/1/2021 at 12:25 PM, DiscipleofPenick said:

I've noticed compression matters on the low end. I have a decent 105ish driver swing. Based on the ball labs it seems around 75 comp is where balls start losing distance. I've played the Chrome Soft & Q Star Tour and both those are about a club and half shorter then my Z-Star/ProV1 gamers. The only ball I've seen add distance is the AVX, I keep waiting for this ball lab.

the CS outflies most of the balls ive played this year and ive tried the following

prov1

left dash

TP5X

AVX

Prov1x

TP5

only the prov1 has been equal all year.....the CS is highly under rated for amateur players. 

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On 8/7/2021 at 11:42 AM, greggarner said:

FWIW, the V1x is higher spin than the traditional V1. The TP5x is lower-spin than the TP5 (and arguably one of the lowest-spinning balls on the market) but one of the last remaining X-balls that is lower-spin than its "standard" counterpart.

I, too, hit the AVX longer than either the V1 or V1x, but when looking at launch monitor data, it's roll-out and not carry that generates the extra distance. Since the AVX is lower-spinning (relatively), it makes sense that it would roll out more. I haven't played the Left Dash, but with higher launch and lower spin, it should be the longest of the bunch, but again, it's worth noting if the length is coming from carry or roll-out.

Greg and @discipleofpenick funny I was thinking the other day about this thread and the 'left dash' but I recall disciple liking the softer feel vs. the firmer ball.  I had a buddy give me a left dash and didn't feel like it was all that firm/clicky, but that is definitely something that is personal preference; I do lie the feel of the AVX and now you guys have me wondering about whether the distance is carry or roll out.  Now I am going to have to get out and see of I can get a comparison going. 

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On 8/9/2021 at 8:52 AM, Tsecor said:

the CS outflies most of the balls ive played this year and ive tried the following

prov1

TP5X

AVX

Prov1x

TP5

only the prov1 has been equal all year.....the CS is highly under rated for amateur players. 

just played the CSX this week and it was pretty good.....flies far off the tee.....but mid irons is a little short for me....CS works better for me in the 7-9 irons....

still searching for the best ball this year as it seems i need to mesh many balls together to get what i truly need....

i hear the titleist left dot may be that unicorn ball.....

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Maybe experimenting with different golf balls is fun for those of a certain mindset.

Maybe a few of us are really looking for something different in a ball and have a reason to try out new ones.

There are reasons for doing it, but since I took up the game, I've always tried to eliminate unnecessary variables.

When I land on a ball, I play it until it literally goes out of production.

When my approach lands in the creek, I have to KNOW it was me and not a ball that I'm trying out.

But that's no fun for some players.  I can dig it.   To each his/her own, right? 

 

 

 

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