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Penalty for ball lost but in play  

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  1. 1. Would you take a penalty stroke if you hit the ball and it was clearly in play but couldn’t be found? (Causes game not tournaments/competition)

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So if you’re plying a casual game with friends and everyone clearly without a doubt sees the ball land in play with no OB around but it can’t be found, penalty or not? 
 

I know the “rule” is a penalty but if you had spotters like on tour, you wouldn’t have lost the ball in grass/plug/rough

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Casual game is where we just drop where we think the ball should be, play on, no penalty.

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Casual game is where we just drop where we think the ball should be, play on, no penalty.

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This happens in the fall when the leaves drop,  I'd tend to give a break to somebody if their ball is lost in one of these spaces.   

Depends on the group, if we are playing for money, etc.

 

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Do I like the guy that this happened to? That's the real question.

I have only ever taken a penalty or insisted someone take a penalty in this situation if money is involved. Other than that, free drop.

 

 

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Like others posted above, in a causal game not doubt free drop, this happen to me where it was right off the fair way in the first cut and everyone was confused we couldn't find not big deal. But if there is money involved and depending on the person I am betting with could be a penalty. 

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My course doesn't have many trees.  Adjacent fairways are divided by high mounds of rough so that while playing a hole, you can't see the adjacent holes.  The rough isn't very deep, so most balls can be seen even from a distance.  A bad slice or hook off the tee will likely be in the fairway... just not your fairway.  When looking for your ball, it likely won't be there because someone in the other fairway picked it up.  It's a muni, so it happens.  Doesn't happen in tournaments, but casual play...Free drop.

And YES, balls flying in from adjacent holes is a hazard.  In the 5 years that I have been a member, I average about 25 times a year that balls have landed within 20 yards of me with no one yelling Fore! because they don't know you are there and it's next to the Interstate so you couldn't hear it anyway.  If I didn't like the people at the course and if it wasn't in decent shape or convenient, I'd play elsewhere.

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11 hours ago, Kenny B said:

My course doesn't have many trees.  Adjacent fairways are divided by high mounds of rough so that while playing a hole, you can't see the adjacent holes.  The rough isn't very deep, so most balls can be seen even from a distance.  A bad slice or hook off the tee will likely be in the fairway... just not your fairway.  When looking for your ball, it likely won't be there because someone in the other fairway picked it up.  It's a muni, so it happens.  Doesn't happen in tournaments, but casual play...Free drop.

And YES, balls flying in from adjacent holes is a hazard.  In the 5 years that I have been a member, I average about 25 times a year that balls have landed within 20 yards of me with no one yelling Fore! because they don't know you are there and it's next to the Interstate so you couldn't hear it anyway.  If I didn't like the people at the course and if it wasn't in decent shape or convenient, I'd play elsewhere.

Ah yes, the-old-lost-ball-that-was-put-in-someone-else's-pocket trick, agree, definitely worthy of free drop.    Been a victim of this myself, especially with my yellow ProV1s.😩

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Just playing casual with friends, I don't see the need to start a tiff with a buddy who obvisouly needs glasses 😆. And I get the pleasure of bugging him the rest of the round for losing a ball in the fairway. To be fair I have lost lots of balls in the fairway, I live in a rain forest enviroment they just plug into the fairway from November till Febuary.

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I play the same course 90% of the time, everyone I play with does as well, and have for 20+ years. We know off the tee where your ball should be. So, if you hit a good shot but can’t find it, free drop. On the other hand, I play with a guy, not often, that’s 100% by the rules every time he plays. If you’re playing with him and lose a ball, you’re taking the penalty no matter what. Playing by the rules is fair for everyone.


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Casual round, not keeping score then who cares what you do. If competing with a friends or a group, keeping score, etc then rules of golf apply. 

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9 hours ago, robertson153 said:

 Playing by the rules is fair for everyone.

Amen!

 

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22 hours ago, SlowNLow said:

Ah yes, the-old-lost-ball-that-was-put-in-someone-else's-pocket trick, agree, definitely worthy of free drop.    Been a victim of this myself, especially with my yellow ProV1s.😩

Sadly I’ve legit watched someone do it... the whole 4some yelled and yelled, drove up and he of course denied it. 

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On 6/2/2020 at 7:30 PM, StrawberryShortCake said:

Just playing casual with friends, I don't see the need to start a tiff with a buddy who obvisouly needs glasses 😆. And I get the pleasure of bugging him the rest of the round for losing a ball in the fairway. To be fair I have lost lots of balls in the fairway, I live in a rain forest enviroment they just plug into the fairway from November till Febuary.

Yep. I've plugged tee shots into the middle of the fairway more than you would expect - one time I only found it because I stepped on it. But yeah, if the whole group agrees that it was a good shot that just disappeared (hiding under a leaf or grass clippings next to the fairway, plugged in the fairway, etc) then you get a free "gallery drop".

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On 6/2/2020 at 9:46 AM, DaveP043 said:

I play with a group of guys who all play pretty much by the rules.  If we know there are issues with leaves, we might decide to play a "leaf rule" before we start.  But if we haven't discussed it before play, we'd call it a lost ball and take the penalty.  This isn't high-stakes gambling, this is small potatoes, and we're all friends, but we've made a conscious choice to follow all of the rules.  With different groups of friends, we'd take a free drop.

This pretty much the way my group does it. We also give a free drop (if agreed on beforehand) for plugged balls when it's really wet and muddy.

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As others have said, only a penalty if there is money on the line. I don't care who the person is though, if there is money on the line then it's a penalty. Savage, I know.

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On 6/5/2020 at 4:29 PM, silver & black said:

This pretty much the way my group does it. We also give a free drop (if agreed on beforehand) for plugged balls when it's really wet and muddy.

The rules specifically allow for relief for an embedded ball in the General Area, no need to agree in advance.  Or do you mean a free drop for a ball that's lost, probably because its embedded?

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9 hours ago, DaveP043 said:

The rules specifically allow for relief for an embedded ball in the General Area, no need to agree in advance.  Or do you mean a free drop for a ball that's lost, probably because its embedded?

Yes, for a ball that can't be found because it's embedded.

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Just joined but want to put my 2 cents in on this.  This is what I refer to as a "Gallery Ball".  If the ball doesn't drop in a lake,creek, or go clearly sailing into the woods OB, then for the SAKE OF PACE OF PLAY,  Drop another ball and play on without penalty.  This should be stressed by USGA and everyone involved with golf (PLAYING A ROUND FOR FUN AT THEIR LOCAL MUNI), as yet one more thing that can be eliminated to assist in speeding up play.  Unless your playing some club championship, or such thing, PLAY ON.  We've all seen the guy looking for his Top-Flite(for 10 minutes) in the rough that's 8 inches long because its May in the northeast, and its been raining for a whole month and the rough can't be mowed. Because he can't leave that ball behind, or take that stroke which by the way nobody within 50 miles of him cares if he takes a stroke for it or not.  FUN CASUAL ROUNDS NO STROKE EVER!

Oh and by the way I wouldn't be surprised to see some sort or rule change, after watching the pros lose more balls in the rough, since golf started again without fans the last couple months, than were probably lost in the rough the previous 10 years, because of no gallery.

 

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