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When I am close to or around greens I notice my ball never has any spin to make it check up or even when I am taking a full swing with a higher lofted club farther away. Is there some secret to getting the ball to roll back or check up on the green? 

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Driver: Cobra F9, stiff, (set 10 deg)

3 Wood: Srixon F65, Reg, (15 deg)

Hybrid: Cobra Baffler TWS, reg, (20 deg)

Irons: Cobra Forged One Length, stiff( 4-PW)

Wedges: 52 deg Ray Cook, 56deg TM Milled Grind, 60 deg Ray Cook

Putter: Odyssey White Hot Xg 2-ball F7

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10 minutes ago, J Kreger said:

When I am close to or around greens I notice my ball never has any spin to make it check up or even when I am taking a full swing with a higher lofted club farther away. Is there some secret to getting the ball to roll back or check up on the green? 

First question would have to be what ball are you playing and how hard are the greens on the course you play? On some courses the greens are so hard nobody can get it to check.

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45 minutes ago, The 19th Hole said:

First question would have to be what ball are you playing and how hard are the greens on the course you play? On some courses the greens are so hard nobody can get it to check.

Since I am a ball-finding fiend I usually play with found Pro-V1's but if not I regularly use either the Callaway Chromesoft, or the TM TP5. I guess I am not sure how hard the greens are I play on! 


Driver: Cobra F9, stiff, (set 10 deg)

3 Wood: Srixon F65, Reg, (15 deg)

Hybrid: Cobra Baffler TWS, reg, (20 deg)

Irons: Cobra Forged One Length, stiff( 4-PW)

Wedges: 52 deg Ray Cook, 56deg TM Milled Grind, 60 deg Ray Cook

Putter: Odyssey White Hot Xg 2-ball F7

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Improving ones game is always a good thing. However, as a 25 hcp player what you're asking about would usually be considered a more advance skill. Here's my advice. Work on other more basic skills (low hanging fruit) and advance from there as your scores/handicap begins to lower. Just one man's opinion.

IMO it generally boils down to how you strike/make contact with the ball. And the lie you're playing from. I urethane ball will spin easier than say a surlyn. Tight lie more spin - fluff not so much. I'm not a spinner of the ball most of the time by choice. But depending on the desired shot I can spin the ball +/- when I want. Usually. For example if I'm playing an approach and I need the ball to stop rather quickly; I'll try and "Pinch" it some thereby imparting more spin. Around the green I might choose to nip the ball a little to create some extra spin as opposed to stroking it and letting the ball run out. Spinning the ball can be a double-edged sword. It takes practice and skill to be able to control it on demand. Like all things golf and for me... some days I have it and some I don't.

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5 minutes ago, J Kreger said:

Since I am a ball-finding fiend I usually play with found Pro-V1's but if not I regularly use either the Callaway Chromesoft, or the TM TP5. I guess I am not sure how hard the greens are I play on! 

Well all of those ball options should be able to generate enough spin in order check up a bit on most greens. Again there are some that it just can't be done on...Do the other people playing with you get it to check? If not, then it may be the greens, If yes, then it is probably the style of swing. Are you more of a put the ball in the back of the stance with arms pressed forward then swing kinda like a putter chipper, or do you put it a bit more neutral bring the club back then rotate your body though the shot type player? I used to be the first type and was not happy with the amount of spin I was getting. Since switching to the other type, I have been much better at controlling the spin. 

It can also be the grooves on your club. Make sure they and the face is clean and dry. 

 


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Irons: :ping-small: I-Blades PW-3i, 2* up standard length.
Wedges: :ping-small:Glide 1.0 TS 60*, :ping-small: Glide 2.0 56 ES, :titelist-small:Vokey 52* 
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Let’s ask the first question; what percentage of your shots land past the hole?

Spin is a combination of lots of things. Big factors are angle of attack and dynamic loft of the club:

https://blog.trackmangolf.com/spin-loft/

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46 minutes ago, PlaidJacket said:

Improving ones game is always a good thing. However, as a 25 hcp player what you're asking about would usually be considered a more advance skill. Here's my advice. Work on other more basic skills (low hanging fruit) and advance from there as your scores/handicap begins to lower. Just one man's opinion.

IMO it generally boils down to how you strike/make contact with the ball.

 

1 hour ago, J Kreger said:

When I am close to or around greens I notice my ball never has any spin to make it check up or even when I am taking a full swing with a higher lofted club farther away. Is there some secret to getting the ball to roll back or check up on the green? 

I think Plaid hit the nail on the head. If you can, take a can of foot spray and hit some balls noting impact location. Focus on center strikes. If you're toe side don't change anything except intent. ie: focus on hitting the heel. 

This should lead to better strikes which is the beginning step to getting the ball to spin. 

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51 minutes ago, PlaidJacket said:

Improving ones game is always a good thing. However, as a 25 hcp player what you're asking about would usually be considered a more advance skill. Here's my advice. Work on other more basic skills (low hanging fruit) and advance from there as your scores/handicap begins to lower. Just one man's opinion.

IMO it generally boils down to how you strike/make contact with the ball. And the lie you're playing from. I urethane ball will spin easier than say a surlyn. Tight lie more spin - fluff not so much. I'm not a spinner of the ball most of the time by choice. But depending on the desired shot I can spin the ball +/- when I want. Usually. For example if I'm playing an approach and I need the ball to stop rather quickly; I'll try and "Pinch" it some thereby imparting more spin. Around the green I might choose to nip the ball a little to create some extra spin as opposed to stroking it and letting the ball run out. Spinning the ball can be a double-edged sword. It takes practice and skill to be able to control it on demand. Like all things golf and for me... some days I have it and some I don't.

I understand. Thank you for the response! I believe I will revisit this when I have my game more under control. 


Driver: Cobra F9, stiff, (set 10 deg)

3 Wood: Srixon F65, Reg, (15 deg)

Hybrid: Cobra Baffler TWS, reg, (20 deg)

Irons: Cobra Forged One Length, stiff( 4-PW)

Wedges: 52 deg Ray Cook, 56deg TM Milled Grind, 60 deg Ray Cook

Putter: Odyssey White Hot Xg 2-ball F7

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19 minutes ago, cnosil said:

Let’s ask the first question; what percentage of your shots land past the hole?

Spin is a combination of lots of things. Big factors are angle of attack and dynamic loft of the club:

https://blog.trackmangolf.com/spin-loft/

Not many. If I had to guess maybe 30% of my shots in general land past the hole due to me know they will almost certainly roll out. 


Driver: Cobra F9, stiff, (set 10 deg)

3 Wood: Srixon F65, Reg, (15 deg)

Hybrid: Cobra Baffler TWS, reg, (20 deg)

Irons: Cobra Forged One Length, stiff( 4-PW)

Wedges: 52 deg Ray Cook, 56deg TM Milled Grind, 60 deg Ray Cook

Putter: Odyssey White Hot Xg 2-ball F7

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"Position the golf ball more toward your back foot, rather than in the center of your stance as you would on a regular shot. That will force you to hit down on the ball, which will create backspin. Swing down hard and hit the ball first, taking a divot in front of it after the ball is struck."

You are getting some spin on the ball. Everyone generates some backspin, especially irons, unless you blade it or it's coming out of fluff or rough. It may not always be obvious, it's a question of how much backspin - stopping or backing the ball up is max backspin.

Sounds like the balls your using will spin, 3+ piece urethane. Stopping a 2 piece surlyn or ionomer ball is difficult at best. And found balls are a crapshoot even if they're premium tour balls.

  • Keep your clubs including the grooves clean. Grooves full of mud/dirt won't grab the ball. Neither will old worn out grooves.
  • From a good lie if you're hitting the turf before the ball, the chances of imparting much spin are greatly reduced.
    • Any grass and/or water between the club face and the ball reduces spin dramatically.
  • If you subtly strike down on it (not chunking or chopping at it), hit the ball first (not thin!), and then turf, it will provide much more backspin - the higher the club loft, the better.
  • It's a function of clubhead speed too, the higher the better.
  • Backspin will help the ball stop no matter what, but as others have noted above if the greens are very firm it will still roll out on you, but not quite as bad as others with less backspin.

Good luck, most amateur players can't stop the ball much less back the ball up...

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20 hours ago, J Kreger said:

When I am close to or around greens I notice my ball never has any spin to make it check up or even when I am taking a full swing with a higher lofted club farther away. Is there some secret to getting the ball to roll back or check up on the green? 

What this guy says:

If I do this, I can get range balls to drop and stop from 60 yards. 

Clubhead speed, point of impact on the face, and a descending blow to grab the ball with the grooves all help to maximize backspin.

Limiting factors of backspin:

  • Not hitting the sweet spot
  • Hitting too high on the face
  • Not hitting the ball squarely
  • Low club head speed
  • Hitting out of the rough
  • Wet ball and/or club face
  • Dirty grooves
  • Decelerating the club head

To get the best backspin:

  • Always accelerate through the ball
  • Just bruise the grass to catch the ball low on the club face but not thin
  • Hit from the short grass
  • Use a premium ball
  • Make sure your club has a clean face and grooves
  • Driest conditions possible

The best advice I can give someone about short game is this: plan on roll so focus on your landing spot more than looking at the flag. When you focus on how you want the ball to roll after it hits the green this way you will get closer to the hole more often. Practicing chipping and pitching shots can help you learn what your ball does when it lands. This is better than just getting more backspin. 

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