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  1. 1. What's your Putter Swing Type?

    • SBST (Not fitted)
      45
    • Slight Arc (Not fitted)
      75
    • Strong Arc (Not fitted)
      7
    • SBST (fitted)
      16
    • Slight Arc (fitted)
      46
    • Strong Arc (fitted)
      9


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Looking at the data so far it appears that most people are a slight arch but not fitted. This interests me, how many really are slight arch and not a SBST or even a cut? This would be a great study. Take 10-100 of the people that vote that they're a slight arch and not fitted. Get them fit for a putter to see how accurate their perception of their stroke is. 

 

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People who say they are SBST most likely have a slight arc since SBST is almost impossible without manipulation. I have a left biased stroke (what you call a “cut”) and it has an arc. You can also be biased to the right.

 

Additionally I would bet that some of those not fitted follow the mentality that the are “feel” players and that a fitting would mess them up.

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54 minutes ago, cnosil said:

 

People who say they are SBST most likely have a slight arc since SBST is almost impossible without manipulation. I have a left biased stroke (what you call a “cut”) and it has an arc. You can also be biased to the right.

 

Additionally I would bet that some of those not fitted follow the mentality that the are “feel” players and that a fitting would mess them up.

My intention is to see how many are paying for putters that are not designed for their swing type. I have the same stroke path as you, out to in with a slight arc. However, at point of impact my clubface is open at 0.1 degrees. So in my case I was fit for either a blade or mallet with a slight toe hang. I'm sure the "feel" guys will feel a lot happier when they sink more putts. 

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2 hours ago, DevilDog29 said:

My intention is to see how many are paying for putters that are not designed for their swing type. I have the same stroke path as you, out to in with a slight arc. However, at point of impact my clubface is open at 0.1 degrees. So in my case I was fit for either a blade or mallet with a slight toe hang. I'm sure the "feel" guys will feel a lot happier when they sink more putts. 

Probably a lot.  putter fitting is a strange thing and people get really tied to putters.   They will agree that full swing and wedges need fitting but disagree with the putter.  I just like you have the face a bit open at impact.    Some great putters are feel players and knowing the details of their stroke would mess with their head.   Ben Crenshaw never wanted to be fit for a putter or know his "numbers"  and he was a decent putter.  

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Probably a lot.  putter fitting is a strange thing and people get really tied to putters.   They will agree that full swing and wedges need fitting but disagree with the putter.  I just like you have the face a bit open at impact.    Some great putters are feel players and knowing the details of their stroke would mess with their head.   Ben Crenshaw never wanted to be fit for a putter or know his "numbers"  and he was a decent putter.  

I could agree that a professional may know exactly what feels right to them. For the average amateur I think their is great reward for getting fit.


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This is a tough one,,,,, I used the PING fitting app and it said I have an "ARC" and the recommendation was a plumbers Anser2, which is what I have used 75% of my golfing life. But 9 years ago I went to a heel shafted putter and have never putted better.

If I had to vote, it would "inconsistent" since it goes from arc to slight to straight back, sometimes all three in one round!

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This is a tough one,,,,, I used the PING fitting app and it said I have an "ARC"

And this is another issue...terminology. The ping app doesn’t measure the path on which the putter travels which is the normal definition for arc. The ping app measures putter head rotation.

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Ok... So putting is one reason I joined.  I had ideas, and thoughts, and wanted to vent, and get feedback and other POV. 

Here is my thing on this:

I got fit at Club Champion last summer.  Did the SAM thing.  Slight arc going back, then straightening out past the ball.  stroke was really consistent.  Then SAM spat out it's data about what putter type and balance I should be using.  Face Balanced Blade.  Not many of those exist.  Bettinardi makes one, kind of an Anser style with a long neck.  Carbon Putters makes one.  Beyond that, all the "face balanced 'blade'" are largish variations of the classic head. 

They bent my Ping Vault Voss to match what the computer said.  1 Degree Flat, and 5 deg loft.  Never could figure how to hit it after that.  I'm going to have them bend it back.

My issue is, I putt better with an school blade putter.  Think Phil or Wilson 8802.  When I forward press with a standard plumbers neck or face balanced putter, face shuts, and I can't hit a trash can.  These blade putters are for a strong arc, which I don't have.  But I can control the head and have better stroke.  I still don't make more or less, but I'm not stressed out over a putt.

So I have decided to abandon the fitting info, and go to what "feels good". 

But now I have the computer info, and my own feelings, and they don't match.  I'm in a dark putting place.  Grrr....

 

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Ok... So putting is one reason I joined.  I had ideas, and thoughts, and wanted to vent, and get feedback and other POV. 
Here is my thing on this:
I got fit at Club Champion last summer.  Did the SAM thing.  Slight arc going back, then straightening out past the ball.  stroke was really consistent.  Then SAM spat out it's data about what putter type and balance I should be using.  Face Balanced Blade.  Not many of those exist.  Bettinardi makes one, kind of an Anser style with a long neck.  Carbon Putters makes one.  Beyond that, all the "face balanced 'blade'" are largish variations of the classic head. 
They bent my Ping Vault Voss to match what the computer said.  1 Degree Flat, and 5 deg loft.  Never could figure how to hit it after that.  I'm going to have them bend it back.
My issue is, I putt better with an school blade putter.  Think Phil or Wilson 8802.  When I forward press with a standard plumbers neck or face balanced putter, face shuts, and I can't hit a trash can.  These blade putters are for a strong arc, which I don't have.  But I can control the head and have better stroke.  I still don't make more or less, but I'm not stressed out over a putt.
So I have decided to abandon the fitting info, and go to what "feels good". 
But now I have the computer info, and my own feelings, and they don't match.  I'm in a dark putting place.  Grrr....
 

Start a thread and you will get a bit more feedback.

Several ways to do a putter fitting. Puttlab and the like capture great data, but is the recommendation good? It
Is an algorithm and if you switch putters you may not get the same recommendation. I prefer an understanding of the core data and then having a knowledgeable fitter review the data and make recommendations. There are a few face balanced blades out there; some with double bend and some with longer flow or plumbers necks.

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I voted slight arc not fitted. I used the Ping App and went through their putt analysis. It indicated i had a slight arc and that I would benefit from a putter with a 69° lie angle and 4° of loft. I'm curious if anyone has any experience with the accuracy of the app.

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I voted slight arc not fitted. I used the Ping App and went through their putt analysis. It indicated i had a slight arc and that I would benefit from a putter with a 69° lie angle and 4° of loft. I'm curious if anyone has any experience with the accuracy of the app.

Accuracy in what way? It measures rotation, tempo, and shaft info and provides a recommendation based on the programmed algorithm. Assuming that you set it up correctly it is accurate for what it provides.

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7 hours ago, cnosil said:


Start a thread and you will get a bit more feedback.

Several ways to do a putter fitting. Puttlab and the like capture great data, but is the recommendation good? It
Is an algorithm and if you switch putters you may not get the same recommendation. I prefer an understanding of the core data and then having a knowledgeable fitter review the data and make recommendations. There are a few face balanced blades out there; some with double bend and some with longer flow or plumbers necks.

I know it’s all an algorithm, and having that analytical data probably messed my head up. I didn’t change putters before or after the session. They just bent my current one to match the SAM results. 
 

you comment about using a different putter might yield different results is interesting. I hadn’t considered that. 

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So what cnosil says that Ping app measure " arc" is really rotation of the putter head  then the  Ping app  isnt really that accurate.

the putter path may be going straight but rotating and PIng says that "arc " stroke

Has any one use the other method to measure path/rotation  more accurately? 

My preference is  toe hang putter and Im curious to know how much arc and rotation I really have

 

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9 hours ago, Haro said:

So what cnosil says that Ping app measure " arc" is really rotation of the putter head  then the  Ping app  isnt really that accurate.

the putter path may be going straight but rotating and PIng says that "arc " stroke

Has any one use the other method to measure path/rotation  more accurately? 

My preference is  toe hang putter and Im curious to know how much arc and rotation I really have

 

It is accurate for what it measures.  It measures closing angle which is the measure of how much it rotates from the end of the backswing to impact and impact angle which is how much open or closed the face is at impact.  So you can accurately get that from the ping app.   The assignment of arc is because paths that have less arc should have less rotation to keep the putter square to the path and those with strong arc need more rotation to keep the putter square to the path.   

 

Ultimately it doesn't matter how much arc or how much rotation you have with your putter;  it will change when you pick up a new putter with different design characteristics.  Your path bias (left or right) will influence how things as well;  if you are left biased you need a putter that stays slighly open to the path and if you are right biased you need one that is closed to the path.   Your goal is to match arc, path bias, and rotation up to get the best results.   You will typically see more arc the farther you stand from the ball.   You need to find a putter that has the right properties to allow to maximize your chances of starting the ball online.  If you change putter characteristics,  it changes how it rotates.  You can have 2 putters that have the exact same toe hang but are different weights and they will perform differently.  The best way to measure is by doing startline drills to see if they match up.  Roll the ball down a narrow yardstick, putt through gates, etc.   If you want specific numbers you need to look at Puttlab, Capto, Quintic, or other similar systems.  

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I was fitted at Ping HQ in 2017.  They used the Ping App.  71º lie angle, 4º loft, slight arc and fitted into their Sigma G Doon face-balanced mallet putter.  I love this putter.  Time to regrip.

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