xOldBenKenobiX Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Picture, you are in the fairway 15 yards from the flag, severe up hill for the first half, the green is elevated and the pin is about 4 feet above your ball, how do you play it? My partner and I had virtually the same shot, his ball was a yard back. I went with the good old Texas wedge from there, he went with his sand wedge. He hit over the flag and double putted for a bogey. I putted in for a couple of feet and finished with a par. Grit Golf 1 Quote My Reviews: 2023 Official review - Rapsodo MLM2Pro! 2022 Official Review - Edel SMS Wedges 2021 Official Review - Tommy Armour Impact 3 Putter 2020 Official Member Review - BagBoy Chiller Cart Bag Cobra SpeedZone Xtreme - Unofficial Review by xOldBenKenobiX Honma TR21 4 Wood - Unofficial Review by xOldBenKenobiX Driver - Cobra SpeedZone Xtreme 10.5, UST helium 5 Wood - . TR21 4 Wood, Vizard 20-60 and TW GS 5 Wood Vixard FD 55 301 Combo 301CB and 301MB . SMS 48*, 56*, 60* Putter: Lucky golf putter. Ball: : ProV1, :: Smart Sensors. Shoes: a couple :: A couple of A couple of Adidas , Yeah I have a shoe addiction.:: Started at 79mph, finished 1st stage at 91mph Link to comment
Middler Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Looks flatter than described but I’ll go with the description. I’d probably do what you did, but bump and run into a hill can be very unpredictable IME, might bounce forward, might bounce high and stop short. I think a better player would go with a higher loft like your other player (my SW has too much bounce so it would be another wedge). xOldBenKenobiX 1 Quote Titleist TSR2 11° HZRDUS Red CB 50 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Titleist TSR2 16.5º HZRDUS Red 60 CB 6.0 & TSR2 21º HZRDUS Black 4G 70 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Mizuno JPX923 HMP 4-GW, T22 54.12WS, T22 58.04DC w Lamkin ST+2 Hybrid Midsize Evnroll EV5.3 Maxfli Tour & ProV1 Ping Pioneer - MGI Zip Navigator AT Payntr X 002 LE, Ecco Biom C4, FJ DryJoys Link to comment
SmoothG Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 If the fairway is tight I'll putt. If it's a little more shaggy I'll hit a low bump that kills into the hill. Sean! and xOldBenKenobiX 2 Quote PXG 0211 10.5* Callaway Mavrik 21* 7W Taylormade RSi1 5 Iron Taylormade RSi2 6-PW Taylormade PSI 50* Callaway Jaws 54* C Grind Wilson Staff Infinite Southside Maxfli Tour Link to comment
Nateyeight Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 I would have putted it from there too, that fairway is too nice not to play it safe. A little rougher and I would have had to use a SW and tried to drop in just short. I can't loft it too high anyway xOldBenKenobiX 1 Quote Driver: G425 Max 10.5* 5 Wood: G425 Max 7 Wood: G425 Max Hybrid: TS2 23* Irons: 6 to GW, T300 Wedges: Vokey SM8 50F, 54S, 58K Putter: 1998 Tei3 Newport Long Neck Ball: Yellow Titleist VG3 Bag: Nike Air Hybrid Golf Bag I Love the Art of Putting! Link to comment
xOldBenKenobiX Posted June 8, 2020 Author Share Posted June 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, Middler said: Looks flatter than described but I’ll go with the description. I’d probably do what you did, but bump and run into a hill can be very unpredictable IME, might bounce forward, might bounce high and stop short. I think a better player would go with a higher loft like your other player (my SW has too much bounce so it would be another wedge). Looking at the large picture now, indeed it looks super flat, but it is a big drop, I initially had hit the green just on the fringe and rolled back down the hill. Quote My Reviews: 2023 Official review - Rapsodo MLM2Pro! 2022 Official Review - Edel SMS Wedges 2021 Official Review - Tommy Armour Impact 3 Putter 2020 Official Member Review - BagBoy Chiller Cart Bag Cobra SpeedZone Xtreme - Unofficial Review by xOldBenKenobiX Honma TR21 4 Wood - Unofficial Review by xOldBenKenobiX Driver - Cobra SpeedZone Xtreme 10.5, UST helium 5 Wood - . TR21 4 Wood, Vizard 20-60 and TW GS 5 Wood Vixard FD 55 301 Combo 301CB and 301MB . SMS 48*, 56*, 60* Putter: Lucky golf putter. Ball: : ProV1, :: Smart Sensors. Shoes: a couple :: A couple of A couple of Adidas , Yeah I have a shoe addiction.:: Started at 79mph, finished 1st stage at 91mph Link to comment
xOldBenKenobiX Posted June 8, 2020 Author Share Posted June 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, SmoothG said: If the fairway is tight I'll putt. If it's a little more shaggy I'll hit a low bump that kills into the hill. The fairways were absolutely beautiful that morning, they do a great job to mow all of them late in the day or very early in the morning, that was the 14th hole. Quote My Reviews: 2023 Official review - Rapsodo MLM2Pro! 2022 Official Review - Edel SMS Wedges 2021 Official Review - Tommy Armour Impact 3 Putter 2020 Official Member Review - BagBoy Chiller Cart Bag Cobra SpeedZone Xtreme - Unofficial Review by xOldBenKenobiX Honma TR21 4 Wood - Unofficial Review by xOldBenKenobiX Driver - Cobra SpeedZone Xtreme 10.5, UST helium 5 Wood - . TR21 4 Wood, Vizard 20-60 and TW GS 5 Wood Vixard FD 55 301 Combo 301CB and 301MB . SMS 48*, 56*, 60* Putter: Lucky golf putter. Ball: : ProV1, :: Smart Sensors. Shoes: a couple :: A couple of A couple of Adidas , Yeah I have a shoe addiction.:: Started at 79mph, finished 1st stage at 91mph Link to comment
xOldBenKenobiX Posted June 8, 2020 Author Share Posted June 8, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Nateyeight said: I would have putted it from there too, that fairway is too nice not to play it safe. A little rougher and I would have had to use a SW and tried to drop in just short. I can't loft it too high anyway This one in the 9th hole down hill a little bit from the rough and over some sand so I had to wedge it, didn't do bad at all either. Edited June 9, 2020 by SnakeDoc Nateyeight 1 Quote My Reviews: 2023 Official review - Rapsodo MLM2Pro! 2022 Official Review - Edel SMS Wedges 2021 Official Review - Tommy Armour Impact 3 Putter 2020 Official Member Review - BagBoy Chiller Cart Bag Cobra SpeedZone Xtreme - Unofficial Review by xOldBenKenobiX Honma TR21 4 Wood - Unofficial Review by xOldBenKenobiX Driver - Cobra SpeedZone Xtreme 10.5, UST helium 5 Wood - . TR21 4 Wood, Vizard 20-60 and TW GS 5 Wood Vixard FD 55 301 Combo 301CB and 301MB . SMS 48*, 56*, 60* Putter: Lucky golf putter. Ball: : ProV1, :: Smart Sensors. Shoes: a couple :: A couple of A couple of Adidas , Yeah I have a shoe addiction.:: Started at 79mph, finished 1st stage at 91mph Link to comment
Mtbryant01 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 39 minutes ago, SnakeDoc said: Picture, you are in the fairway 15 yards from the flag, severe up hill for the first half, the green is elevated and the pin is about 4 feet above your ball, how do you play it? My partner and I had virtually the same shot, his ball was a yard back. I went with the good old Texas wedge from there, he went with his sand wedge. He hit over the flag and double putted for a bogey. I putted in for a couple of feet and finished with a par. It seems once you get on the green, it’s uphill slightly to the hole? I probably would have pulled out my 60 degree and tried to chip it a little higher to land on the fringe and roll out a little bit depending on how soft/hard the greens were. Putt is probably the safest if it was a tight lie, but I’m not the best at those as I don’t practice them enough. Nice job getting it to a couple feet from there. aerospace_ray 1 Quote Cobra Connect 5 participant G410 Plus, w/ X stiff 75 g Project X Evenflow Black shaft driver / Radspeed w/ Smoke RDX Blue 70S shaft Big Tour 3 wood/ 5 wood w/ Fujikura X F3 60S shaft 4 Hybrid w/ Project X Catalyst 80S shaft Copper MIM Tour Irons w/ KBS $ Taper Balck 120S shaft Snakebite 50, 54, and 58 wedges w/ KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 125S shaft Newport 2.5 putter MTB X golf balls RH, Alabama Link to comment
Middler Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 1 hour ago, SnakeDoc said: I initially had hit the green just on the fringe and rolled back down the hill. Been there, done that... xOldBenKenobiX 1 Quote Titleist TSR2 11° HZRDUS Red CB 50 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Titleist TSR2 16.5º HZRDUS Red 60 CB 6.0 & TSR2 21º HZRDUS Black 4G 70 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Mizuno JPX923 HMP 4-GW, T22 54.12WS, T22 58.04DC w Lamkin ST+2 Hybrid Midsize Evnroll EV5.3 Maxfli Tour & ProV1 Ping Pioneer - MGI Zip Navigator AT Payntr X 002 LE, Ecco Biom C4, FJ DryJoys Link to comment
stj51 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 1 hour ago, SnakeDoc said: Picture, you are in the fairway 15 yards from the flag, severe up hill for the first half, the green is elevated and the pin is about 4 feet above your ball, how do you play it? My partner and I had virtually the same shot, his ball was a yard back. I went with the good old Texas wedge from there, he went with his sand wedge. He hit over the flag and double putted for a bogey. I putted in for a couple of feet and finished with a par. In my mind I would take my pitching wedge and try to run it close to the flag without going past, in reality I'd probably blade the wedge, chip on after that and double putt for a double, no doubt xOldBenKenobiX 1 Quote - Driver - TSi2 10 deg, -1 Length, Project X TSi Hzrdus Smoke Black RDX 60 (6.0) - Fairway Wood - TSi2 3 Wood 15 deg, -½ Length, Project X TSi Hzrdus Smoke Black RDX 70 (6.0) - Hybrid - TS2 Hybrid 19 deg Project X Hzrdus Smoke Black 80 HYB (6.0) - Hybrid - TS2 Hybrid 23 deg Project X Hzrdus Smoke Black 80 HYB (6.0) - Irons T200 (6 - W 48) True Temper AMT Black (S300) - Wedge - SM7 52.12 F Grind, True Temper Vokey Wedge (Wedge Flex) - Wedge - SM8 56.12 D Grind, True Temper Vokey Wedge (Wedge Flex) - Wedge - SM8 60.12 D Grind, True Temper Vokey Wedge (Wedge Flex) - 2020 Newport Select, Pistolini Grip, 35" - ProV1 Link to comment
LeftyRM7 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 I’d putt it, but with my hybrid. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk xOldBenKenobiX and Larryd3 2 Quote Link to comment
StrawberryShortCake Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 7 iron bump and run, try and hit 1 foot back from the fringe and she'll roll right up. xOldBenKenobiX and tony@CIC 2 Quote Driver: Rogue Sub Zero 9* stiff Wood: Tight Lies TI 3 wood stiff Hybrid: XR 3 19 deg stiff Irons: JPX 900 Tour std loft/lie Wedges: 52,56,60 Putter: #7 Red Ball: Q-Star 12.9 Handicap Comox Valley, B.C. Link to comment
tchat07 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 For me it would depend on the distance and how firm the greens were. If the greens were soft I would probably use a 60 degree flop or a 52 degree bump and run. 99% of the courses around me do not have fairways that are Texas wedge usable so I have never added that "club" to my bag.Sent from my SM-G950U using MyGolfSpy mobile app ballplayer002003 and xOldBenKenobiX 2 Quote Link to comment
Guests Guest Delete Posted June 9, 2020 Guests Share Posted June 9, 2020 4 hours ago, SnakeDoc said: Picture, you are in the fairway 15 yards from the flag, severe up hill for the first half, the green is elevated and the pin is about 4 feet above your ball, how do you play it? My partner and I had virtually the same shot, his ball was a yard back. I went with the good old Texas wedge from there, he went with his sand wedge. He hit over the flag and double putted for a bogey. I putted in for a couple of feet and finished with a par. I would have chipped with an 8 or 9 iron to carry the ball into the face and bump into the green. If I had to use a lofted club then I would have gone with a 60 with a square face and carry about 5 feet into the green. This would be my choice if the fringe wasn't very tight or rough was present. If it was a back pin then it would be another story entirely. Quote Link to comment
Tom the Golf Nut Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 I would wedge it. Depending on the amount of green I had to work with would dictate which wedge. 50* , 56* or 60*. I feel more comfortable doing that than trying to take into consideration the grain direction of the grass, dry or damp, speed to adjust for the uphill and roll out of the putt and any little obstacles or imperfections in my line. Dam, I'm sounding like Phil M describing his chipping Sorry. xOldBenKenobiX 1 Quote Driver, TSi 1 S Flex 3 wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 5 wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 7 Wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 5 Hybrid King Tec MMT R Flex Irons, Tour UST Recoil 95 R Flex (6 - Gap) Wedges, Snakebite KBS Hi- Rev2.0 54* & 60* Agera 35" Ultralight 14-way Cart Bag Link to comment
Chizzle Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 Doesnt look like a lot of space from fringe to pin. I'd probably us my 60 and try to land it on the green before the pin. I would find it hard to navigate the hill, curves, and minimal real estate between fringe and pin.With that being said, this is the worst part of my game but that's what I would try to do. Quote Link to comment
Kenny B Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 That's in my 60º range so a little medium height shot that lands "soft like a butterfly with sore feet." Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment
ballplayer002003 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 I liked the putt option and would maybe have done the same. I also like a 9 iron bump and run, hit it into the hill to kill it a bit and let it run up. Kenny B 1 Quote Driver: Epic Flash Sub Zero Hzdrs Smoke x flex 70g 3 Wood: 917 w/ Diamana Whiteboard stiff 5 Wood : Epic Flash 18* Hzdrs Smoke stiff 4 Hybrid: TSi3 Hzdrs Smoke X flex Irons: 5-7 Apex forged 19 w/ Modus 120 X 9-A Apex Pro 19 w/ Modus 120 X Wedges: MD5 52&56 Jaws Dynamic Gold wedge flex Putter: Scotty Cameron Phantom 5.5 34" Link to comment
Kenny B Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 1 minute ago, ballplayer002003 said: I liked the putt option and would maybe have done the same. I also like a 9 iron bump and run, hit it into the hill to kill it a bit and let it run up. I used to do that a lot and was decent at it. Then I got to AZ and that shot doesn't work in that Bermuda grass; ball goes nowhere when it lands. That was when I came home and started spending a lot of time practicing with my 60. Never used my 60 much; but now it's my goto. I have many shots that require a 60, but also I figured out how to hit lots of other shots with it too. ballplayer002003 1 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment
ballplayer002003 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Kenny B said: I used to do that a lot and was decent at it. Then I got to AZ and that shot doesn't work in that Bermuda grass; ball goes nowhere when it lands. That was when I came home and started spending a lot of time practicing with my 60. Never used my 60 much; but now it's my goto. I have many shots that require a 60, but also I figured out how to hit lots of other shots with it too. I don't have a 60*, just a 56 and I have been known to skull it from time to time. If I am playing well that day, I would probably pull the 56 and chip it. If I don't have it that day then putt or bump it. I should look into trying a 60, the problem with the 56 from there is if I have to open the face up, depending on the firmness of the fairway, it would be easy to bounce the club and hit the ball with the leading edge. Kenny B 1 Quote Driver: Epic Flash Sub Zero Hzdrs Smoke x flex 70g 3 Wood: 917 w/ Diamana Whiteboard stiff 5 Wood : Epic Flash 18* Hzdrs Smoke stiff 4 Hybrid: TSi3 Hzdrs Smoke X flex Irons: 5-7 Apex forged 19 w/ Modus 120 X 9-A Apex Pro 19 w/ Modus 120 X Wedges: MD5 52&56 Jaws Dynamic Gold wedge flex Putter: Scotty Cameron Phantom 5.5 34" Link to comment
Guests Guest Delete Posted June 9, 2020 Guests Share Posted June 9, 2020 1 hour ago, ballplayer002003 said: I don't have a 60*, just a 56 and I have been known to skull it from time to time. If I am playing well that day, I would probably pull the 56 and chip it. If I don't have it that day then putt or bump it. I should look into trying a 60, the problem with the 56 from there is if I have to open the face up, depending on the firmness of the fairway, it would be easy to bounce the club and hit the ball with the leading edge. Sometimes I even use my hybrid to just get the ball rolling above the grass. Works better than a putter when you have a lot of fringe to go through. Quote Link to comment
DaveP043 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 If the turf is good and tight, I'd putt it. If its "lush", I'd hit a normal pitch with a 60, slightly open so the bounce is more in play. Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment
Kenny B Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 8 hours ago, ballplayer002003 said: I don't have a 60*, just a 56 and I have been known to skull it from time to time. If I am playing well that day, I would probably pull the 56 and chip it. If I don't have it that day then putt or bump it. I should look into trying a 60, the problem with the 56 from there is if I have to open the face up, depending on the firmness of the fairway, it would be easy to bounce the club and hit the ball with the leading edge. I used to play a 58 but switched to a 60 two years ago. It's all in the technique, and takes practice. My 60 has 12º of bounce but a C-grind, and our turf is firm. If I start blading the ball, I need to practice more. xOldBenKenobiX 1 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment
Kenny B Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 7 hours ago, TimoTe said: Sometimes I even use my hybrid to just get the ball rolling above the grass. Works better than a putter when you have a lot of fringe to go through. I won't try that shot because I never practice it. I did it once with disastrous results. Shaft is too long, face is too hot, no idea on backstroke length. Putter works better if I don't use my 60. xOldBenKenobiX 1 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment
tony@CIC Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 15 yds - depending on the elevation is a bump and roll with a 7i or 8i. If I was chipping, even with my 60* I'd have a tendency for the ball to roll out past the pin. Quote Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment
DaveP043 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, tony@CIC said: 15 yds - depending on the elevation is a bump and roll with a 7i or 8i. If I was chipping, even with my 60* I'd have a tendency for the ball to roll out past the pin. Rolling out past the pin isn't the worst thing that can happen with that one. A little bit heavy can leave the ball back where you started, a blade can be over the green in trouble. Sometimes its appropriate to hit a shot that will "for sure" end up on the green. Larryd3 and Kenny B 2 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment
xOldBenKenobiX Posted June 9, 2020 Author Share Posted June 9, 2020 16 hours ago, stj51 said: In my mind I would take my pitching wedge and try to run it close to the flag without going past, in reality I'd probably blade the wedge, chip on after that and double putt for a double, no doubt Blading wedges is one of my main strengths, I had just bladed out of green side hole in the 13th, so I was not feeling my wedges at that moment. stj51 1 Quote My Reviews: 2023 Official review - Rapsodo MLM2Pro! 2022 Official Review - Edel SMS Wedges 2021 Official Review - Tommy Armour Impact 3 Putter 2020 Official Member Review - BagBoy Chiller Cart Bag Cobra SpeedZone Xtreme - Unofficial Review by xOldBenKenobiX Honma TR21 4 Wood - Unofficial Review by xOldBenKenobiX Driver - Cobra SpeedZone Xtreme 10.5, UST helium 5 Wood - . TR21 4 Wood, Vizard 20-60 and TW GS 5 Wood Vixard FD 55 301 Combo 301CB and 301MB . SMS 48*, 56*, 60* Putter: Lucky golf putter. Ball: : ProV1, :: Smart Sensors. Shoes: a couple :: A couple of A couple of Adidas , Yeah I have a shoe addiction.:: Started at 79mph, finished 1st stage at 91mph Link to comment
xOldBenKenobiX Posted June 9, 2020 Author Share Posted June 9, 2020 49 minutes ago, DaveP043 said: Rolling out past the pin isn't the worst thing that can happen with that one. A little bit heavy can leave the ball back where you started, a blade can be over the green in trouble. Sometimes its appropriate to hit a shot that will "for sure" end up on the green. That was my thinking, I was trying to get my self in the green with an uphill putt Quote My Reviews: 2023 Official review - Rapsodo MLM2Pro! 2022 Official Review - Edel SMS Wedges 2021 Official Review - Tommy Armour Impact 3 Putter 2020 Official Member Review - BagBoy Chiller Cart Bag Cobra SpeedZone Xtreme - Unofficial Review by xOldBenKenobiX Honma TR21 4 Wood - Unofficial Review by xOldBenKenobiX Driver - Cobra SpeedZone Xtreme 10.5, UST helium 5 Wood - . TR21 4 Wood, Vizard 20-60 and TW GS 5 Wood Vixard FD 55 301 Combo 301CB and 301MB . SMS 48*, 56*, 60* Putter: Lucky golf putter. Ball: : ProV1, :: Smart Sensors. Shoes: a couple :: A couple of A couple of Adidas , Yeah I have a shoe addiction.:: Started at 79mph, finished 1st stage at 91mph Link to comment
Sean! Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 Kill that into the hill and run it to the hole! Quote Link to comment
xOldBenKenobiX Posted June 9, 2020 Author Share Posted June 9, 2020 16 hours ago, Middler said: Been there, done that... Story of my life, I should probably have taken 1 more club on the approach shot. Larryd3 1 Quote My Reviews: 2023 Official review - Rapsodo MLM2Pro! 2022 Official Review - Edel SMS Wedges 2021 Official Review - Tommy Armour Impact 3 Putter 2020 Official Member Review - BagBoy Chiller Cart Bag Cobra SpeedZone Xtreme - Unofficial Review by xOldBenKenobiX Honma TR21 4 Wood - Unofficial Review by xOldBenKenobiX Driver - Cobra SpeedZone Xtreme 10.5, UST helium 5 Wood - . TR21 4 Wood, Vizard 20-60 and TW GS 5 Wood Vixard FD 55 301 Combo 301CB and 301MB . SMS 48*, 56*, 60* Putter: Lucky golf putter. Ball: : ProV1, :: Smart Sensors. Shoes: a couple :: A couple of A couple of Adidas , Yeah I have a shoe addiction.:: Started at 79mph, finished 1st stage at 91mph Link to comment
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