2019 vs 80"s irons

[LeftyHawk]

I went out the other day with the Classic Beryllium Copper irons and was surprised at how much more "on target" they were over the 410's. That caused me to conduct an experiment. I set up at the 150 marker on one of the holes at my home course. Dropped 12 balls, 6 for the 410, 6 for the BeCu. My target was the pin in the middle of the green.  Took out a 410 7 iron hit 3. 2 were left of the green, 1 went right of the green. BeCu 6 iron...all 3 on the green. 3 more with the 410 7 iron. 1 short, 2 went left of the green. 3 more BeCu, all 3 on the green.

I'm sitting here trying to understand "WHY?"

With all the tech in the 410's, why can't I hit where I'm aiming? Why are the BeCu's so much more accurate?

Any thoughts?

Chris

[StrawberryShortCake]

58 minutes ago, LeftyHawk said:

I went out the other day with the Classic Beryllium Copper irons and was surprised at how much more "on target" they were over the 410's. That caused me to conduct an experiment. I set up at the 150 marker on one of the holes at my home course. Dropped 12 balls, 6 for the 410, 6 for the BeCu. My target was the pin in the middle of the green.  Took out a 410 7 iron hit 3. 2 were left of the green, 1 went right of the green. BeCu 6 iron...all 3 on the green. 3 more with the 410 7 iron. 1 short, 2 went left of the green. 3 more BeCu, all 3 on the green.

I'm sitting here trying to understand "WHY?"

With all the tech in the 410's, why can't I hit where I'm aiming? Why are the BeCu's so much more accurate?

Any thoughts?

Chris

This is just my 2 cents, nothing scientific. I find blades more accurate, way more accurate but your misses with bad ball striking will hugely affect distance. If your a great ball striker stick to blades old or new doesn't matter. My favorite clubs in my bag are my BeCu wedges they are hot lighting I rarely miss with them. The game improvement irons see to focus more on distance and forget about accuracy. You can find a few tests on youtube showing exactly this. If you compress the ball well and your a good ball striker newer irons are almost always going to be less accurate. 

[sirchunksalot]

I'm not an expert by any means on the game of golf, but after experiencing the same thing it has me curious. I would have expected with the lack of offset to see my normal fade with SGI get bigger. I would assume that the fractional difference in clubface closure would leave them more out to the right. What about the shaft? Is one set a R and the other a S? 

Again, I'm curious why the older irons are more accurate than a newer set with all the tech. 

[ZenGolfer]

I believe that the older irons probably have shorter shafts, making them easier to control.

Im with you though.  I recently put my old Mizuno MX-11s back in the bag after getting frustrated with a lack of control with the Tommy Armour Atomics and Im hitting some of the best iron shots Ive hit in a long time.

This has got me thinking about picking up a half set of Titleist 720 CBs because they have more traditional lofts but have some new tech in them.

Im personally not of the mind that you really gain much with new irons, other than more distance and distance isnt everything in irons.

[LeftyHawk]

2 hours ago, ZenGolfer said:

I believe that the older irons probably have shorter shafts, making them easier to control.

You may be on to something there. The BeCu shafts are shorter, both are stiff shafts, but with them being made in different "centuries" (lol) I'm sure the measurement scale is not consistent.  One thing this has taught me is  buying new irons last year was a big mistake. I was playing i10 before these. Silly me I thought they would help my game. Lesson learned.

As far as distance is concerned, it's all relative, the number on the bottom really doesn't matter, a 150 yard club is a 150 yard club regardless of the number on the bottom, that's my thinking anyhow.

Chris

[ZenGolfer]

You may be on to something there. The BeCu shafts are shorter, both are stiff shafts, but with them being made in different "centuries" (lol) I'm sure the measurement scale is not consistent.  One thing this has taught me is  buying new irons last year was a big mistake. I was playing i10 before these. Silly me I thought they would help my game. Lesson learned.
As far as distance is concerned, it's all relative, the number on the bottom really doesn't matter, a 150 yard club is a 150 yard club regardless of the number on the bottom, that's my thinking anyhow.
Chris

The number on the club really is meaningless.

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[TBT]

I wish I still had my old Titleist DCI irons to experiment or my Bridgestone J40 Dual Pocket Cavity Back irons...I feel like it hit both of those sets “purer” than any others I’ve had.


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[revkev]

6 shots from a preferred lie to a known pin under identical conditions each time is hardly enough of a sample size.

Try 60 from random distances under varying conditions and places and see how that turns out.

I also read someone here claiming that blades are more accurate - they aren’t - if they were every player on tour would game blades - they don’t - it’s not even a majority any more.

There is nothing I’d rather do than play the rest of my life with my trusty old Ping Eye 2’s other than play the best golf and shoot the lowest scores possible for my age and physical limitations.

I will stick with my G30’s or some other set of more modern irons that afford me some help and are more Taylor’s to the peculiarities of my swing.

If you prefer the Berillium set by all means game it.

Good luck


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[MadMex]

 

Here's my two pesos,,,,,,,,,,

Were both set EQUAL and by that I mean,  IDENTICAL shafts? shaft length? Loft? Lie? and grip size? 

I don't think there has been has been a technology improvement on iron heads as much as we seen in Golf Balls, Shafts, "Wood" and hybrid heads.

[Beakbryce]

Probably the shaft. Or just maybe, you could  smoothly swing a choked up 410 6 iron. Choking up will result in similar shaft length.

No expectations with the copper, lots of expectation with your current gamer. I know the lofts are different and the lofts for the 6 copper and 7 410 are probably similar, but still think you should redo and hit the 6 for both. 

Edited August 28, 2020 by Beakbryce

[fozcycle]

Went out last week to a sloppy, Cart Path only course, with Powerbilt Air Force One Irons in the bag rather than my Wilson D7’s. Why? The Powerbilt have a wider platform so I would dig into the sloppy soft ground as much. Result? I snapped two shafts, 4 iron and 9 iron.

You gotta beweary of 10 year old graphite shafts.....


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[Shapotomous]

On 6/17/2020 at 5:34 PM, LeftyHawk said:

I went out the other day with the Classic Beryllium Copper irons and was surprised at how much more "on target" they were over the 410's. That caused me to conduct an experiment. I set up at the 150 marker on one of the holes at my home course. Dropped 12 balls, 6 for the 410, 6 for the BeCu. My target was the pin in the middle of the green.  Took out a 410 7 iron hit 3. 2 were left of the green, 1 went right of the green. BeCu 6 iron...all 3 on the green. 3 more with the 410 7 iron. 1 short, 2 went left of the green. 3 more BeCu, all 3 on the green.

I'm sitting here trying to understand "WHY?"

With all the tech in the 410's, why can't I hit where I'm aiming? Why are the BeCu's so much more accurate?

Any thoughts?

Chris

I'd suspect the lie angle of the 410's is too upright for you since most shots went left.  What is the dot color of the 410's?  Maybe with shorter shafts in the 410's you'd be less likely to catch the toe end on your swing?  Try shortening up on the club by 1" or so and see how they play.

[deejaid]

I’ve seen many ads over the last 20 years claiming a new iron goes farther. I don’t recall a single one touting more accuracy. That’s why Ping Eye 2’s are still playable today.


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[Rickp]

I went out the other day with the Classic Beryllium Copper irons and was surprised at how much more "on target" they were over the 410's. That caused me to conduct an experiment. I set up at the 150 marker on one of the holes at my home course. Dropped 12 balls, 6 for the 410, 6 for the BeCu. My target was the pin in the middle of the green.  Took out a 410 7 iron hit 3. 2 were left of the green, 1 went right of the green. BeCu 6 iron...all 3 on the green. 3 more with the 410 7 iron. 1 short, 2 went left of the green. 3 more BeCu, all 3 on the green.
I'm sitting here trying to understand "WHY?"
With all the tech in the 410's, why can't I hit where I'm aiming? Why are the BeCu's so much more accurate?
Any thoughts?
Chris

Are the BeCu steel shaft and G410 graphite?


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[LeftyHawk]

2 hours ago, Rickp said:

Are the BeCu steel shaft and G410 graphite?


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Both steel, regular. I know the 410's lie is correct, the BeCu's are too flat. I've gone back to using the 410's exclusively working on my alignment.  I have an iron fitting in September, I'm thinking I have a shaft that isn't a good match to me and my swing. After further testing with the BeCu's, other than the 6 iron, I have target issue with the other irons. That I believe is a result of the lie of them. After using the 410's for most of the season up to this point my aim is getting better, but they just don't "feel" right which is why I'm doing the fitting, hopefully finding an answer to my problem.

I may tinker with the BeCu's this winter on the sim to see if I can find a ball that feels better off them, you definitely feel the ball when you mishit the darn thing.

Chris