Rogad09 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 (edited) I feel like I just got worse lol. I usually hit off of a grass range to closely simulate how it would be in a game sitch. Today they brought out mats instead and i topped or chunked about 80-90%. so I guess my question is have any of you experienced that? How did you fix it? Edited June 20, 2020 by Rogad09 Spelling Quote Rory A Gaddy Link to comment
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den748 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 I find that I get false feedback from hitting off of mats. I usually chunk on the course and if you're just a little fat on a mat it could seemingly be a pretty good shot. Also to @TimoTe point, mats usually don't have a perfectly flat lie and there is almost nothing you can do about it. One more thing I hate about mats, I can NEVER get my tee to the right height. So the swing that should be least impacted (a tee'd up drive) ends up being impacted. I get why they have to have mats, no way any grass would grow at most public courses but it's still frustrating. I'd pay extra for a range with grass. josmi15 and Rogad09 2 Quote Driver: Epic Flash Sub-Zero Project X HZRDUS Smoke 3 Wood: M6 UST Mamiya Proforce V2 3 Hybrid: M6 UST Mamiya Proforce V2 4 Hybrid : M4 Stock Stiff Shaft Irons: P790 (5I-AW) - 2 deg strong - Nippon Modus3 105 Gram/Stiff 60 Degree Wedge: Vokey SM7 - AMT Black/Stiff 54 Degree Wedge: RTX Zip Core Putter: Sigma G Tyne Putter Ball: ProV1x Tracked by: Link to comment
Letthebigdogshunt Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 I won't hit off mats as it is not what I do on the golf course. Practice should be on grass unless you hit off mats on the course. juspoole, Rogad09, russtopherb and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment
RickyBobby_PR Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Johnny Ruiz, Matt Wolff honed their skills hitting off mats and still do to this day. Gankas has numerous high ranking amateurs that hit off mats. TR1PTIK, Kaplack and Rogad09 2 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment
gavinski91 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 I agree with @den748 about getting false positives on your swing off of mats. My tendency is to come in too steep with my irons too far behind the ball. On the course that results in a fat shot if I'm lucky, or a chunked shot that only goes 5 yards. If I'm hitting off a mat the club head can skip forward into the ball instead of digging in, giving me a ball flight that looks like a perfect shot even though realistically the low point of my swing was too far behind the ball. Also, I've never experienced it myself but I've heard from others that turf mats placed on concrete can lead to wrist pain or injury from iron shots. GaDawg, den748, TR1PTIK and 2 others 4 1 Quote Driver - Radspeed XB, Aldila Rogue Silver 70-S 3 Wood - Radspeed, Aldila Rogue Silver 70-S 5 Wood - Radspeed, Fujikura Motore X F3 6-S 7 Wood - 0341x Gen 4, Mitsubishi Tensei AV Raw Blue 75-S Irons - Pro 225 4-5, 223 6-PW, KBS $-Taper 120 Wedges - King Cobra Snakebite 52° & 58°, KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 S Putter - Stroke Lab Black Ten 35" Ball - Chrome Soft X LS Powered by 2020 ExPutt Official Review | 2021 Cobra Connect Five Participant | 2023 SuperSpeed Official Review Link to comment
russtopherb Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 I won't hit off mats as it is not what I do on the golf course. Practice should be on grass unless you hit off mats on the course. Loathe hitting off mats, but mostly due to my tennis elbow. If it’s mats only, then it’s driver only for me. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Rogad09 and Letthebigdogshunt 2 Quote In my carry bag: ST-X 10.5* Kai'li Blue R Flex ST-Z 15* Kai/li Blue R Flex ST-Z 4h Linq Blue R Flex Launcher 5h Launcher CBX 6i-PW CBX 54* & 58* Huntington Beach #10 e12 Contact CURRENTLY TESTING - Mizuno Long Game Link to comment
Rogad09 Posted June 21, 2020 Author Share Posted June 21, 2020 All of you guys are awesome thank you for the input and glad im not the Only one who suffers. tony@CIC, daviddvm and Nateyeight 3 Quote Rory A Gaddy Link to comment
GaDawg Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 59 minutes ago, russtopherb said: Loathe hitting off mats, but mostly due to my tennis elbow. If it’s mats only, then it’s driver only for me. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 5 hours ago, Letthebigdogshunt said: I won't hit off mats as it is not what I do on the golf course. Practice should be on grass unless you hit off mats on the course. I will not hit off mats either for the reason mentioned above. Additionally, I was told that hitting off mats will effect the loft and lie angle of your clubs. Not sure if that's true or not, but my body aches after hitting off mats. Rogad09 1 Quote Driver: TSI3 - 10*, Hzrdus Smoke 6.0 Stiff Driver: Stealth Plus - 10.5*, Oban Kiyoshi Purple O4Flex-65 Grams Purred 3 Wood: SIM - 15*, Graphite Design Tour AD DJ5 Stiff Hybrid: TS3 - 19*, Hzrdus Smoke 6.0 Stiff Irons: 5 - PW T150, with Nippon Zelos 7 Reg, 4 iron - U505 with Project X HZRDUS Black Stiff Wedges: Vokey SM 8 - 50*, 60* Standard Wedge Shafts Wedge: Milled Grind 3 MG3 56* S200 shaft Putter: Studio Select Newport 1.5 Putter: Phantom X 5.5 Ball: Pro V1x Link to comment
RickyBobby_PR Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, GaDawg said: I will not hit off mats either for the reason mentioned above. Additionally, I was told that hitting off mats will effect the loft and lie angle of your clubs. Not sure if that's true or not, but my body aches after hitting off mats. Forged clubs will change over time regardless of hitting off mats or not. Rogad09, daviddvm and TR1PTIK 2 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment
TR1PTIK Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 I've personally never had an issue going from a turf mat to grass. In some rare cases I would say I even prefer mats - say the grass portion of a range is all chopped up and not well cared for, not mowed to a comparable length, or just simply not level. However, what works for me isn't a guarantee for the guys on either side of me; they could really be struggling. As @TimoTe mentioned, you really need to train your ears and know what a quality golf shot feels like when hitting off a mat. If you don't know what a truly well struck ball feels like, then you probably won't be able to identify the false positives such as hitting one fat, bouncing off the turf, and getting the ball in the air okay. That shot in particular is going to be extremely frustrating when you get to the golf course. Golfspy_CG2, den748, Rogad09 and 1 other 3 1 Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment
Tom the Golf Nut Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 I have not had any problems with going from mats to grass. I have an indoor stimulator which obviously requires mats. Perfect lie every time! The only concern is if you tend to take a larger divot. This can potentially cause you to injure a wrist or elbow due to the turf not giving way as grass would. Repeated hits will take its toll on you. If you hit to far behind the ball you will bounce into the ball and still pull off a shot that looks good but actually isn't. I take a shallow divot so it is not an issue for me. I did find out the hard way that even though I have settings on my simulator for no ball, foam ball, and golf ball, you should not play very often with no ball. You need impact to transfer force to something or all that force is pulling on the elbow joint causing a golfers elbow. Had to stop playing for a few months. Lucky it was winter time. On some of the older driving range mats they used a plastic type of turf. This actually melted and adhered to the sole of your irons from the friction. All you had to do was look at the sole of your club and you could see if your lie angles were correct for you by the location of the green residue. If you think about it, all your simulators, fitting sessions, PGA superstores, Golf Galaxy, Dicks, and others all put you on artificial turf to hit and reccomend clubs for you. Rogad09 1 Quote Driver, TSi 1 S Flex 3 wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 5 wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 7 Wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 5 Hybrid King Tec MMT R Flex Irons, Tour UST Recoil 95 R Flex (6 - Gap) Wedges, Snakebite KBS Hi- Rev2.0 54* & 60* Agera 35" Ultralight 14-way Cart Bag Link to comment
Pandaman Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 I would say it could depend on the mat in question a fair bit. I have used several driving ranges over the years and some were noticeably harsher than others. I have a small hitting mat at home, it has a good thickness of rubber 'underlay' which feels a lot like a firm fairway. The 'turf' is not too forgiving either, so my (quite common) ground first shots 'dig in' a little so are not unfairly forgiving. I use it straight on top of paving too and haven't felt as if it would be too harsh compared to a decent fairway in a dry spell. Rogad09 1 Quote Link to comment
Kenny B Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 The mat does make a difference, but so does the grass on a driving range. At my course we have grass except in the winter when they bring out the mats. The mats are too soft and any mishit can still give you a good result. The grass is so thin from constant use that the turf does not resemble anything on the course. We have a local driving range that is covered with heaters in the winter and misters in the summer. Nice, but their mats are very hard. They do rotate new one in every so often, but they are certainly hard on my body. This year I purchased a Real Feel mat for my house. I love it! It's firm like our fairways, but it doesn't jar the body on mishits. Mishits do not give good results, so feedback is more like a bad shot on the course. It's expensive, but I think it will last a long time. Their Turn & Lock unbreakable mat tee adjusts from 1 1/4 to 2". Hasn't broken yet. Rogad09 1 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment
Firebird Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 Wish we had the option. Every driving range close by has only mats. If they are good quality then they are ok but most buy the less expensive ones and they are horrible. The really good ones are easy to identify as you can push a tee in to them. Rogad09 1 Quote Callaway Epic Flash 9 Degree Callaway Epic Flash 3 wood 15 Degree Callaway Apex 21 Hybrid 19 Degree Callaway Steelhead Pro 4-AW Irons Cleveland 54 Degree Wedge Steel Shaft Recoil Graphite Shafts in all Callaway Cobra Vintage Series Stingray 40 Preferred ball - Seed 001 Link to comment
ChitownM2 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 I also hate hitting off mats. Same reasons as most people here, false positives on bad shots and overall it is harder on the joints. Was at a local municipal course for a round last week and was surprised that they still had those old mats that leave green all over your clubs when you hit off them. I was hoping those things would be gone by now....I guess they must be a lot cheaper than getting "good" mats Firebird and Rogad09 2 Quote Link to comment
Kaplack Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 Testing has shown most players hit irons further and straighter; off Range Mats than real grass. Rogad09 1 Quote WITB: Driver: Taylormade SLDR Fujikura XLR8 61 S RH. 3 Wood: TaylorMade RBZ 3W Hybrid: Ping G400 3 Hyb 19 degree S Irons: Titleist 710 AP1 5-PW Aerotek Steelfiber i110 cw S RH standard lie Wedges: 50 Callaway MD 4, 54 Vokey SM5, 58 Callaway Forged Putters: Ping Grayhawk Putter Link to comment
StrokerAce Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 21 minutes ago, Kaplack said: Testing has shown most players hit irons further and straighter; off Range Mats than real grass. INteresting.... can you post a link to the test results? I've never heard that. Rogad09 and daviddvm 1 1 Quote Driver- Cobra Aerojet LS Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19*, F9 24* Irons- XXIO X (6-A) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Bettinardi BB56 Ball- Maxfli Tour X Buggy- Motocaddy M7 GPS Remote Electric Caddy Bag- Motocaddy Dry-Series Proudly testing for 2024: Link to comment
puttnfool Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 On 6/21/2020 at 11:48 AM, RickyBobby_PR said: Johnny Ruiz, Matt Wolff honed their skills hitting off mats and still do to this day. Gankas has numerous high ranking amateurs that hit off mats. I'd bet they're quality mats, though, and not the junk that's seen at most courses. Rogad09 1 Quote WITB: Taylormade SIM2 Max 9° w/ UST ProForce V2 5F3 @ 45" Callaway Epic Speed 4wd w/ AccuFLEX Evolution Reg Dynacraft Genesis 3 hybrid w/ Steelfiber i95r Srixon ZX5 4-6 and ZX7 7-GW w/ UST Recoil 95 F4 soft stepped once Cleveland RTX Zipcore 54/10 w/ Recoil 95 F4 shaft Cleveland RTX-4 58/03 w/ Recoil 95 F4 9i shaft Odyssey SL EXO Marxman Pondering: Nothing at the moment In the locker: Too much to list Link to comment
RickyBobby_PR Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 14 minutes ago, seeking70's said: I'd bet they're quality mats, though, and not the junk that's seen at most courses. In the videos they look like most mats I’ve seen around here. Rogad09 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment
Golfspy_CG2 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 On 6/29/2020 at 10:38 AM, Kaplack said: Testing has shown most players hit irons further and straighter; off Range Mats than real grass. On 6/29/2020 at 11:00 AM, GolfSpy Stroker said: INteresting.... can you post a link to the test results? I've never heard that. As usual the TXG Guys all over it. For the TLDW crowd. Almost identical numbers across the board. Virtually no difference, that couldn't be attributed to human swing variance. RickyBobby_PR 1 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment
StrokerAce Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 Just now, Golfspy_CG2 said: As usual the TXG Guys all over it. For the TLDW crowd. Almost identical numbers across the board. Virtually no difference, that couldn't be attributed to human swing variance. that was what I understood as well. I was surprised to read 'further and straighter' off of mats. I've used both mats and grass (mainly mats) and didn't notice any differences. daviddvm 1 Quote Driver- Cobra Aerojet LS Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19*, F9 24* Irons- XXIO X (6-A) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Bettinardi BB56 Ball- Maxfli Tour X Buggy- Motocaddy M7 GPS Remote Electric Caddy Bag- Motocaddy Dry-Series Proudly testing for 2024: Link to comment
Golfspy_CG2 Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 17 minutes ago, GolfSpy Stroker said: that was what I understood as well. I was surprised to read 'further and straighter' off of mats. I've used both mats and grass (mainly mats) and didn't notice any differences. If that had been the case, I'd be carrying one around in the cart to drop on the course to hit each shot StrokerAce, RickyBobby_PR, HardcoreLooper and 1 other 2 1 1 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment
Letthebigdogshunt Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 As an addendum to my not hitting off mats. There is a course in our area that has mats, but the mats have a synthetic grass on them and it is similar to hitting off grass and much easier on your wrists and elbows as well. I would hit off them all the time. Rogad09 1 Quote Link to comment
Rogad09 Posted July 2, 2020 Author Share Posted July 2, 2020 On 6/29/2020 at 8:00 AM, GolfSpy Stroker said: INteresting.... can you post a link to the test results? I've never heard that. Ive never heard that either lol Quote Rory A Gaddy Link to comment
Kaplack Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 https://blog.trackmangolf.com/mats-vs-grass-whats-difference/ Trackman website study 7 Iron Grass 179.7 Yards 7 Iron Mat 186.9 Yards Tester was a +2 Handicap Rogad09 1 Quote WITB: Driver: Taylormade SLDR Fujikura XLR8 61 S RH. 3 Wood: TaylorMade RBZ 3W Hybrid: Ping G400 3 Hyb 19 degree S Irons: Titleist 710 AP1 5-PW Aerotek Steelfiber i110 cw S RH standard lie Wedges: 50 Callaway MD 4, 54 Vokey SM5, 58 Callaway Forged Putters: Ping Grayhawk Putter Link to comment
Golfspy_CG2 Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 One thing they didn't mention. Where were the mat balls hit. If it was in their studio then that is a huge variable. As Trackman is not as accurate indoors as it is outside. As outside it tracks the entire flight. Inside it can only track 6 feet and relies on an algorithm for the rest. The TXG test. You saw they took their mat outside right next to the grass hitting area so the GCQuad would get the same reading. daviddvm, StrokerAce, Rogad09 and 2 others 4 1 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment
StrokerAce Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 24 minutes ago, Golfspy_CG2 said: One thing they didn't mention. Where were the mat balls hit. If it was in their studio then that is a huge variable. As Trackman is not as accurate indoors as it is outside. As outside it tracks the entire flight. Inside it can only track 6 feet and relies on an algorithm for the rest. The TXG test. You saw they took their mat outside right next to the grass hitting area so the GCQuad would get the same reading. That's a great point @Golfspy_CG2. Into a hitting screen and outside on a range can really skew results - and this has been proven many times over. daviddvm and Rogad09 1 1 Quote Driver- Cobra Aerojet LS Woods- Cobra LTD 3w 15*, 5W 19*, F9 24* Irons- XXIO X (6-A) Wedges- Callaway Jaws Raw (54/58) Putter- Bettinardi BB56 Ball- Maxfli Tour X Buggy- Motocaddy M7 GPS Remote Electric Caddy Bag- Motocaddy Dry-Series Proudly testing for 2024: Link to comment
Kaplack Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 I will made an educated guess that Matthew Wolff, hit a whole lot of balls of real grass; while at Oklahoma State. I have never been there but I would bet 1 dollar to 100, They have a nice grass range at the best college program in the country. Rogad09 1 Quote WITB: Driver: Taylormade SLDR Fujikura XLR8 61 S RH. 3 Wood: TaylorMade RBZ 3W Hybrid: Ping G400 3 Hyb 19 degree S Irons: Titleist 710 AP1 5-PW Aerotek Steelfiber i110 cw S RH standard lie Wedges: 50 Callaway MD 4, 54 Vokey SM5, 58 Callaway Forged Putters: Ping Grayhawk Putter Link to comment
RickyBobby_PR Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 22 minutes ago, Kaplack said: I will made an educated guess that Matthew Wolff, hit a whole lot of balls of real grass; while at Oklahoma State. I have never been there but I would bet 1 dollar to 100, They have a nice grass range at the best college program in the country. Do you think he built his swing at OSU or was it dialed in by time he got there? GG has some very talented young high level amateurs who have learned the game hitting off mats. Rogad09 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment
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