edingc Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 16 hours ago, cnosil said: This is something I do very consistently with my pitches, chips, and putts. During those preshot I identify the general area I want to land the ball or the line I want the ball to roll along. Before I swing I really focus on that landing spot or part of the hole where the ball will enter the hole. I believe this helps me dial in the feel necessary to have the ball hit that spot. When I'm playing my best, this is what I do also. I believe Adam Young refers to this as an "external focus," and his belief is that the body self-organizes to achieve the desired outcome/shot. Certainly some people may be better with "internal focuses" like a specific swing thought or position, or a combo of both. I believe Dr. Bob Rotella talks about this is one of his books as well. Very good thread so far. Enjoying reading it. cnosil, cksurfdude and sirchunksalot 3 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted July 12, 2020 Author Share Posted July 12, 2020 It has been a couple of weeks since I have been on the course; last week was a day at the practice range. I have been doing me practice plan which is designed to help work on turn, backswing length, grip, and sequencing. This week, I had a good score for the round; a few holes/shots that were bad; some I recovered from and one resulted in a double. Overall I had 4 birdies, 5 bogies, and a double. While my short game was better, I only got up and down 2 times on 8 attempts. Pull hooks were the issue with both tee and approach shots. I was happy that while I had pull hooks, I didn't hit anything fat. Progress is being made; just need to continue the forward progress. Kenny B, MaxEntropy, HardcoreLooper and 3 others 6 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cksurfdude Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 On 7/1/2020 at 8:25 PM, cnosil said: Today was another session of players distance iron testing .... Was just taking another look at the LM graphic in the post above, and started wondering ..... @cnosil in your opinion -- do you think hitting off a mat has a tendency to reduce the vertical contact point (of an iron)..? Or is it a negligible, or zero, effect? tony@CIC 1 Quote WITB of an "aspiring" play-ah ... Driver...Callaway Paradym (Aldila Ascent PL Blue 40/A) 5W...Callaway Great Big Bertha (MCA Kai'Li Red 50/R) 7W...Tour Edge Exotics EXS (Tensei CK Blue 50/R) 4H...Callaway Epic Super Hybrid (Recoil ZT9 F3) 5H...Callaway Big Bertha ('19) (Recoil 460 ESX F3) 6i-GW...Sub 70 699 V2 (Recoil 660 F3) 54°, 60°...Cleveland CBX2, CBX 60 (Rotex graphite) Putter...EvnRoll ER5 or MLA Tour XDream (P2 Reflex grips) ...all in a Datrek bag on an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart. Ball often, not always, MaxFli Tour. Forum Member tester for the Paradym X driver (2023) Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted July 13, 2020 Author Share Posted July 13, 2020 Was just taking another look at the LM graphic in the post above, and started wondering ..... [mention=15174]cnosil[/mention] in your opinion -- do you think hitting off a mat has a tendency to reduce the vertical contact point (of an iron)..? Or is it a negligible, or zero, effect?In my opinion I would say no. With an ideal swing, the ball is contacted first so you would have the same impact location. I do know that hitting the ball fat will cause contact high on the face since the ball bounces a little. cksurfdude 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cksurfdude Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 K, thx! Quote WITB of an "aspiring" play-ah ... Driver...Callaway Paradym (Aldila Ascent PL Blue 40/A) 5W...Callaway Great Big Bertha (MCA Kai'Li Red 50/R) 7W...Tour Edge Exotics EXS (Tensei CK Blue 50/R) 4H...Callaway Epic Super Hybrid (Recoil ZT9 F3) 5H...Callaway Big Bertha ('19) (Recoil 460 ESX F3) 6i-GW...Sub 70 699 V2 (Recoil 660 F3) 54°, 60°...Cleveland CBX2, CBX 60 (Rotex graphite) Putter...EvnRoll ER5 or MLA Tour XDream (P2 Reflex grips) ...all in a Datrek bag on an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart. Ball often, not always, MaxFli Tour. Forum Member tester for the Paradym X driver (2023) Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted July 17, 2020 Author Share Posted July 17, 2020 Entering the "next phase" of the journey. Had an online meeting to talk about course strategy and how to play a course from a target perspective. Going to start with some basic stats like GIR, approach distance, and, first putt distance to start figuring out areas of my game that need additional attention. Kenny B, cciciora13, HardcoreLooper and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cciciora13 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 9 hours ago, cnosil said: Entering the "next phase" of the journey. Had an online meeting to talk about course strategy and how to play a course from a target perspective. Going to start with some basic stats like GIR, approach distance, and, first putt distance to start figuring out areas of my game that need additional attention. Love following the journey. Your tips on putting have already improved my putting and I have been trying to get out an extra 1-2 times a week on the practice green. I guess practice truly is the key! How is the swing feeling? cnosil, cksurfdude, sirchunksalot and 1 other 4 Quote In my bag: Driver: Ben Hogan GS53 10.5* Stiff Mitsubishi tensei blue Stiff 3 Wood: 939 x 15 deg. UST Proforce Black V2 7F4 stiff Hybrid: 939x Hybrid UST 680 recoil shaft stiff Irons: 699 irons 4-PW KBS tour 90 v Stiff 50 Deg: TAIII Satin 54 deg: TAIII Satin 58 Deg: TAIII Satin Putter: 004 Single Bend Masters Edition Rangefinder: Caddytek V2 Check out my MyGolfSpy 2020 Forum Official Tester: Ben Hogan GS53 Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted July 17, 2020 Author Share Posted July 17, 2020 Love following the journey. Your tips on putting have already improved my putting and I have been trying to get out an extra 1-2 times a week on the practice green. I guess practice truly is the key! How is the swing feeling?Glad to hear that some of the information I have provided is helping. Swing seems to be doing well. The feeling of rotating around my left side instead of the right side has been a major improvement to my swing. Less fat shots and more center on the face. Still working on downswing to minimize my big pull hook miss. Supposed to be getting another drill to help with that. The amazing thing to me is how much the minor swing change has helped my short game. Even though I thought I was staying in my left side for short game shots I wasn’t which moved ground contact back. Kenny B, HardcoreLooper, cksurfdude and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted July 28, 2020 Author Share Posted July 28, 2020 Played this past weekend and while my score was ok (83), my ball striking was good with most shots hitting near the center of the face. Short game (chipping and putting) were a struggle. I think I need to look at my mental focus and staying in the shot; I am thinking I am just going through the motions on some of the bad swings. Did most wanted testing for the past couple of days and the number of fat shots and mishits was pretty low. Kenny B, sirchunksalot, edingc and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tchat07 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Good luck! Really looking forward to following your progess!Sent from my SM-G950U using MyGolfSpy mobile app cnosil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted July 29, 2020 Author Share Posted July 29, 2020 44 minutes ago, tchat07 said: Good luck! Really looking forward to following your progess! Sent from my SM-G950U using MyGolfSpy mobile app Thanks! Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share Posted July 31, 2020 Had an online session last night to review some of the stats from recent rounds. Things that stand out as areas for improvement: short game and lag (30'+) putting. Distance proximity from the hole on approach shots isn't bad. Obviously, more greens would be better, but to get my scoring average down to 75, I need to work on the two previously mentioned areas. Got a couple of drills and thoughts to work on with short game shots. Hoping the ExPutt helps me learn to control speed a little bit better. We talked about ball contact and flight and confirmed that what I am trying to do to fix is on the right track. Have some metrics to start looking at so I can do some self evaluation to make sure I am targeting the right areas and meeting expected efficiency from various distances and lies. While most of of think we understand how to play this game, there is so much to learn to consistently play this game well. Hitting good tee and approach shots, having a functional short game, and decent putting are important, understanding the environment (wind, temperature, moisture, etc) are key to success week in and week out. Moving in the right direction and building a plan to keep moving forward. THEZIPR23, cksurfdude, aerospace_ray and 4 others 6 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post cnosil Posted August 4, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted August 4, 2020 Had some time on the GCQuad yesterday since it was aMost wanted testing day. Face contact location is definitely improving. I am still hitting the occasional toe shot, but becoming more aware of the feels and resulting ball flight and can identify when the feel isn’t right. It is interesting how people respond differently to the same directions from instructors. When I was talking to my instructor one of the “feels” weTalked about having was skipping stones. I remember a thread about a year or so so about a forum member being told to swing like he was skipping stones and how he couldn’t translate that into his swing. For me it fits perfectly into my swing sequence and a great feeling to try and have. But back when the thread was going on, the thought made no sense to me but now with the path I am going down it works for me. ncwoz, HardcoreLooper, aerospace_ray and 7 others 10 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted August 9, 2020 Author Share Posted August 9, 2020 ball striking seems to be improving. Hit a couple of fat shots, but overall drills are helping to improve contact. As I am starting to put together metrics from my round it seems that wedge play (125 and in) is my big weakness. Proximity to the hole and greens hit needs to significantly improve. Lag putting seems to be getting better with the use of the exPutt. Overall I feel like my game is going in the right direction. Probably need to follow some better course management practices; I have taken some big numbers (doubles and triples) as a result of questionable shot selections. HardcoreLooper, Kenny B and cksurfdude 3 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 On 8/4/2020 at 7:39 AM, cnosil said: Had some time on the GCQuad yesterday since it was a Most wanted testing day. Face contact location is definitely improving. I am still hitting the occasional toe shot, but becoming more aware of the feels and resulting ball flight and can identify when the feel isn’t right. It is interesting how people respond differently to the same directions from instructors. When I was talking to my instructor one of the “feels” we Talked about having was skipping stones. I remember a thread about a year or so so about a forum member being told to swing like he was skipping stones and how he couldn’t translate that into his swing. For me it fits perfectly into my swing sequence and a great feeling to try and have. But back when the thread was going on, the thought made no sense to me but now with the path I am going down it works for me. There are so many different feels that instructors have to try to achieve many of the same things. I've churned through a lot of different feels, some have helped, some didn't work for me. cksurfdude 1 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted August 10, 2020 Author Share Posted August 10, 2020 41 minutes ago, dlow206 said: There are so many different feels that instructors have to try to achieve many of the same things. I've churned through a lot of different feels, some have helped, some didn't work for me. When working with an instructor, they are not trying to achieve feels, that is uniquely yours. The thing about feels in the golf swing is that when you are doing something correctly, the feel is all yours and the feel (good or bad) indicates you are doing something correctly. An instructor cannot tell you what to feel. DriverBreaker and cksurfdude 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreLooper Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 1 hour ago, cnosil said: When working with an instructor, they are not trying to achieve feels, that is uniquely yours. The thing about feels in the golf swing is that when you are doing something correctly, the feel is all yours and the feel (good or bad) indicates you are doing something correctly. An instructor cannot tell you what to feel. As my instructor reminds me, feel is not real. He then reminds me that if wrong feels right, then right is going to feel wrong. cnosil and cksurfdude 2 Quote What's in the bag: Driver - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Wood (13.5*) - 980F 4 Wood (18*) - F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S ) 3 Hybrid (19*) - RBZ 4i - PW - D7 Forged - Recoil 760 ( S ) 52* - CBX 58* - CBX Full Face 2 Putter - Craz-e Bag - 2.5 (Blue) Ball - AVX Instagram - @hardcorelooper Twitter - @meovino Facebook - mike.eovino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted August 10, 2020 Author Share Posted August 10, 2020 As my instructor reminds me, feel is not real. He then reminds me that if wrong feels right, then right is going to feel wrong.Mine has also told me is that his job is to make me feel uncomfortable. DriverBreaker, HardcoreLooper and cksurfdude 3 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony@CIC Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 29 minutes ago, cnosil said: Mine has also told me is that his job is to make me feel uncomfortable. I certainly felt that way when my instructor changed my grip - took me 1/2 season for it to 'feel right' HardcoreLooper, cksurfdude and cnosil 3 Quote Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveP043 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, cnosil said: Mine has also told me is that his job is to make me feel uncomfortable. For most of us, what we've been doing all along feels "right", even the faults somehow feel right. To make a change means doing something different, and different will almost always feel wrong. As you say, its the instructors job to help you change your movements, to feel wrong in a productive way. It takes repetitions to make that revised movement feel right. Edited August 10, 2020 by DaveP043 cnosil, DriverBreaker, HardcoreLooper and 1 other 4 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriverBreaker Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 (edited) On 7/2/2020 at 9:18 PM, cnosil said: League night: scored horribly (8 over). From the tees we play for league, most of the holes are driver/wedge and the Par 3's are 9 iron or less. Really struggled with fat shots when hitting distance wedges. Hit some 7 irons to check where I was entering the ground; used a little foot spray to help. In the image below I worked from top to bottom and you can see the first few were definitely fat. Getting better with center face contact, but low point control is a struggle. I to have struggled with fat shots with wedges. For me, it is often one of two things: 1) too much forward shaft lean through impact (remove the bounce of the wedge and if you are fractionally, you will hit fat) 2) not extending my body through impact (you know from my SuperSpeed that I am working on jumping aka extending through the shot rather than staying down too long) Edited August 10, 2020 by ChasingScratch cksurfdude and cnosil 2 Quote Instagram: @tony_rosselli_ Training Pre training max driver speed: 124mph Current: 130mph WITB: Driver: G425 Max, 9* Woods: 2007 Burner TP 3 wood and 5 wood Irons: Z765 4-PW (1 degree flat) with KBS $-130 shafts Wedges: SM7 50/12/F, 54/10/S and 58/12/D Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 Ball: ProV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriverBreaker Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 On 7/5/2020 at 3:32 PM, cnosil said: My regular group wasn't able to play today so I took that as an opportunity to hit the range. Need some better foot powder since ground/grass impact rubbed everything off making it hard to determine exact impact. Some of the key things that seem to significantly impact my results: Backswing length. Too long and fats/off center seem to be more in play Alignment. I have a tendency to setup closed which seems to bring more pushes/pull hooks into play. Aim identification. Occasionally i had the tendency to not lock a target into my mind before swinging. When I thought about where I wanted the ball to go, results were much better. This is an issue about lack of focus that I need to make sure i pay attention too when actually playing Just slowing down and having better tempo. As I think back to my testing at MGS, this seems to be an overall problem. During testing, my warmup shots appear to be much better overall (contact, face impact location, etc). Basically 1 and 4 point to the fact I am trying to hit the ball too hard. Need to focus on a relaxed even tempo swing. Experimented with distances wedges and it appears that my results are much better using my 51* gap wedge instead of my 54* sand wedge. Going to switch my primary short game club. Going to try and get a couple of most wanted testing sessions in before my next on course round. Is the bounce the same on your 51* and 54*? Might be more bounce on the 51* which helps with fat shots. Looks like you play high-bounce wedges (I do as well), so maybe not a bounce difference issue. Quote Instagram: @tony_rosselli_ Training Pre training max driver speed: 124mph Current: 130mph WITB: Driver: G425 Max, 9* Woods: 2007 Burner TP 3 wood and 5 wood Irons: Z765 4-PW (1 degree flat) with KBS $-130 shafts Wedges: SM7 50/12/F, 54/10/S and 58/12/D Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 Ball: ProV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriverBreaker Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Also, @edteergolf is the best! cnosil and HardcoreLooper 2 Quote Instagram: @tony_rosselli_ Training Pre training max driver speed: 124mph Current: 130mph WITB: Driver: G425 Max, 9* Woods: 2007 Burner TP 3 wood and 5 wood Irons: Z765 4-PW (1 degree flat) with KBS $-130 shafts Wedges: SM7 50/12/F, 54/10/S and 58/12/D Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 Ball: ProV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted August 10, 2020 Author Share Posted August 10, 2020 Is the bounce the same on your 51* and 54*? Might be more bounce on the 51* which helps with fat shots. Looks like you play high-bounce wedges (I do as well), so maybe not a bounce difference issue.51 is 8 and 54 is 14. Fat hasn’t been much of a problem the past couple of weeks;grip changes and limited backswing have really helped. Hitting the ball really well and happy with full swing. From 100 and in (distance wedge)my hole proximity is terrible. Yesterday my proximities were: 88/40’, 97/25’, 82/35’, 85/35’, 50/30y, and 97/30’. I feel like I am better off outside of 115 yards. Mostly a lack of practicing those shots; need to spend time on the gcquad and build out my distance grids. cksurfdude and DriverBreaker 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriverBreaker Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 1 hour ago, cnosil said: 51 is 8 and 54 is 14. Fat hasn’t been much of a problem the past couple of weeks;grip changes and limited backswing have really helped. Hitting the ball really well and happy with full swing. From 100 and in (distance wedge)my hole proximity is terrible. Yesterday my proximities were: 88/40’, 97/25’, 82/35’, 85/35’, 50/30y, and 97/30’. I feel like I am better off outside of 115 yards. Mostly a lack of practicing those shots; need to spend time on the gcquad and build out my distance grids. Yeah....... need to tighten that proximity up for sure to take advantage of the distance off the tee. Is it distance or directional that is the problem? Sounds like distance from what you are saying. cksurfdude 1 Quote Instagram: @tony_rosselli_ Training Pre training max driver speed: 124mph Current: 130mph WITB: Driver: G425 Max, 9* Woods: 2007 Burner TP 3 wood and 5 wood Irons: Z765 4-PW (1 degree flat) with KBS $-130 shafts Wedges: SM7 50/12/F, 54/10/S and 58/12/D Putter: L.A.B. Directed Force 2.1 Ball: ProV1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBandit Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 1 hour ago, cnosil said: 51 is 8 and 54 is 14. Fat hasn’t been much of a problem the past couple of weeks;grip changes and limited backswing have really helped. Hitting the ball really well and happy with full swing. From 100 and in (distance wedge)my hole proximity is terrible. Yesterday my proximities were: 88/40’, 97/25’, 82/35’, 85/35’, 50/30y, and 97/30’. I feel like I am better off outside of 115 yards. Mostly a lack of practicing those shots; need to spend time on the gcquad and build out my distance grids. For me anytime I hit Fat shots, has been always been my turn, I stop turning and leaning more or just shifting my body instead of shoulder turn. This causes the wedge to hit fat or almost hitting shanks at times. Whenever I do that I reset , center shots and once I have the turn, then I begin practicing moving forwards, center and back stands to get different wedge shots. My wedges bounce are 56 (10) and 60 (9). cksurfdude 1 Quote Driver: TaylorMade Qi10 MAX - 8.5 with Fujikura Speeder NX TCS 50 (Terra Forza White Shaft Testing) 3 -Wood: Sub70 949x 3 Wood 15 with Hrdz RDX Black Stiff 5-Wood: Sub70 949x 5 Wood with Hrdz RDX Black stiff 4-Hybrid: Sub70 949x 4 Hybrid with Project X 5.5 Hybrid Stiff Irons: Mizuno Pro 225 - 6-PW , w/Nippon Modus 105 Stiff Wedges: Sub70 TAIII w/Nippon Modus 105 Stiff - 50 ,56, 60 Putter: L.A.B Mezz1, 34 in Balls: MaxFli Tour X, TaylorMade Tour Response, TaylorMade TPx GPS: Shot Scope X5 with Tracking TESTED: SUB70 949X 5 Wood TESTED: NIPPO N.S. Regio Formula MB+ 65 Stiff. TESTED: SkyCaddie LX5 GPS Watch TESTED: Bag Boy ZFT Bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted August 10, 2020 Author Share Posted August 10, 2020 3 hours ago, ChasingScratch said: Yeah....... need to tighten that proximity up for sure to take advantage of the distance off the tee. Is it distance or directional that is the problem? Sounds like distance from what you are saying. Distance primarily and mostly short. Not taking a big enough swing; but "feels" right when I make the swing. DriverBreaker, sirchunksalot and cksurfdude 3 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted August 21, 2020 Author Share Posted August 21, 2020 Had a zoom meeting with my instructor last night. The system we are following establishes proximity averages for distance from the hole. He agreed that based on the stats I have been tracking proximity to the hole with the wedges is a big problem area. We went through some strategies about how establish consistency with distance wedges. First option is to avoid those distances and play to my strengths. I chose the option to establish a way to control distance better. He provided some recommendations on thing to work on but mostly the goal is consistent contact which means controlling low point, shaft angle, and smash factor. For distance wedges we are seeking a smash factor of about 1.0 or some consistent number in that proximity. It could be 1.1 as long as the swing produces consistent results. Will be working on determining a method that enables me to accomplish that goal. Basically do I adjust the length of swing or or speed of swing. Time to get out to the range and figure this out. HardcoreLooper, cksurfdude, Kenny B and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cksurfdude Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 On 8/21/2020 at 8:45 AM, cnosil said: I chose the option to establish a way to control distance better. That makes sense to me, too - as much as we'd like to try, we're not always going to be at our comfortable layup / approach distance(s)... Seems to me that being able to develop wedge distance control is a critical part of the game. Good luck with your training! HardcoreLooper and sirchunksalot 2 Quote WITB of an "aspiring" play-ah ... Driver...Callaway Paradym (Aldila Ascent PL Blue 40/A) 5W...Callaway Great Big Bertha (MCA Kai'Li Red 50/R) 7W...Tour Edge Exotics EXS (Tensei CK Blue 50/R) 4H...Callaway Epic Super Hybrid (Recoil ZT9 F3) 5H...Callaway Big Bertha ('19) (Recoil 460 ESX F3) 6i-GW...Sub 70 699 V2 (Recoil 660 F3) 54°, 60°...Cleveland CBX2, CBX 60 (Rotex graphite) Putter...EvnRoll ER5 or MLA Tour XDream (P2 Reflex grips) ...all in a Datrek bag on an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart. Ball often, not always, MaxFli Tour. Forum Member tester for the Paradym X driver (2023) Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted August 22, 2020 Author Share Posted August 22, 2020 11 minutes ago, cksurfdude said: That makes sense to me, too - as much as we'd like to try, we're not always going to be at our comfortable layup / approach distance(s)... Seems to me that being able to develop wedge distance control is a critical part of the game. Good luck with your training! We talked about this for a bit on our call. You can be extremely successful not trying to get as close to the green as possible or putting a wedge in your hand. He told me about one of his students that was highly skilled player except for the wedge game. In order for him to be productive for his HS and college teams, he scaled back distance off the tee and laid back beyond his wedge distance and continued to improve the wedges. He could have continued to hit to short wedges during competition and not been productive and also not been on his team. I am going to let me scores suffer in the near term to work on those shots since I am not playing competitive golf. This is where stats come into play; right now putting a wedge in my hand increases my scoring due to poor proximity to the hole. I am better if I stay outside 115 yards. It isn't about laying up to a specific distance, but not going inside a distance. cksurfdude, Kenny B, DriverBreaker and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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