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51 minutes ago, cnosil said:

It is  probably the one I was actually looking for. I have seen another one that I think did a better job of explaining.   This is why instruction is so important.  You have to see what the player is doing and find something that works for that player.  My problem was that I was firing both the hips and shoulders at the same time and causing my hands to go out and not down.  This is why we worked on isolating the hips to start the lesson; the thought was keep back toward target and get the thighs in line again.  This one move did quite a few things for me.  It shortened my swing and prevented me from hinging my wrists more at the top of the backswing,  it caused my hands to start the drop down, and it gave me the necessary connection between the arm and chest.  This was a feel I  personally needed to get my swing in better sequence.  When I got the timings down,  my swing looked really good and I was hitting the center of the face. 

And that is what you need.  There is no time in the swing to really consciously make these moves.  We were doing them in slow motion and stepping through the swing.  None of this was done at full speed during the lesson.  We were doing pretty much everything at 60%.  

That is why I like my coach,  he doesn't tell me what I should feel.  We talk about what I need to do and I come up with the feels.  

Exactly.  Tailor the suit to the person.  Buying custom tailored vs off the rack.  The former will always look and perform better.  I’m a firm believer that the golfer needs to understand their motion in their own way, terms, and concepts.  For some, data and visuals work well.  For others, it’s an internal focus and feelings. To each their own at the end of the day the ball flight tells the tale.

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1 hour ago, cnosil said:

 

That is why I like my coach,  he doesn't tell me what I should feel.  We talk about what I need to do and I come up with the feels.  

Mine's the same way. We talk about feels, but they're my feels, not what he feels or what I should be feeling.

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8 minutes ago, CarlH said:

Mine's the same way. We talk about feels, but they're my feels, not what he feels or what I should be feeling.

And that's when I start feeling like a 30 HCP.  🥴

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On 5/8/2021 at 3:45 PM, cnosil said:

.. it became clear that the problem was the right elbow.   This is going to be the hard part for me to get incorporated

Interesting...

As a higher handicapper, one of my (..way too many...) swing problems is keeping my right (trail) elbow tucked in too close to my body for too long - so I seem to be using more body rotation to move the club vs a better pronounced lateral shift targetward (and letting the arms and hands "drop into the slot"). 

One of the consequences of this, for me, is more toe strikes and/or cutting across the ball and putting slice spin on it...

Been working on this in lessons and practice, and playing yesterday I tried to emphasize the "shift" and started missing left more often ... so maybe we'll call that a bit of intermediate progress for now 🤪

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1 hour ago, cksurfdude said:

Interesting...

As a higher handicapper, one of my (..way too many...) swing problems is keeping my right (trail) elbow tucked in too close to my body for too long - so I seem to be using more body rotation to move the club vs a better pronounced lateral shift targetward (and letting the arms and hands "drop into the slot"). 

One of the consequences of this, for me, is more toe strikes and/or cutting across the ball and putting slice spin on it...

Been working on this in lessons and practice, and playing yesterday I tried to emphasize the "shift" and started missing left more often ... so maybe we'll call that a bit of intermediate progress for now 🤪

Not to cross-promote here, but you should check out my thread on my swing overhaul.  I'm working on the right arm in the backswing as well.  You might find some nuggets there that may help you.  I also had a very compact right arm in the backswing (see my profile picture as an example).  It really moves the hands much farther away from the center of the body than is necessary and makes for the need for much more compensatory moves in the downswing.  Lots of distance to cover compared to the PGA tour average position.

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I am basically a week out from my lesson and have hit balls, played a 9 hole league match, and my weekly 18.  Ball striking seems better with more centered ball contact but I still get the big toe miss.  As I am incorporating this change I really need to focus on the takeaway and transition to hit the better shots; when I don’t thing about the swing before making the swing I see the misfits.  I have to stay focused on every swing or I am pretty sure I am falling back to the old swing.   Am I doing this correctly when I think about it?  That is the big unknown as I need a camera setup to really see what is going on with the right elbow.   Was going to buy a tour stroke smart ball but they are sold out; going to see if I can borrow Phillips at MGS. 

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11 minutes ago, cnosil said:

I am basically a week out from my lesson and have hit balls, played a 9 hole league match, and my weekly 18.  Ball striking seems better with more centered ball contact but I still get the big toe miss.  As I am incorporating this change I really need to focus on the takeaway and transition to hit the better shots; when I don’t thing about the swing before making the swing I see the misfits.  I have to stay focused on every swing or I am pretty sure I am falling back to the old swing.   Am I doing this correctly when I think about it?  That is the big unknown as I need a camera setup to really see what is going on with the right elbow.   Was going to buy a tour stroke smart ball but they are sold out; going to see if I can borrow Phillips at MGS. 

Check Watson golf they have a similar style ball but without the lanyard. Or just a small ball you can buy at a sporting goods store or five below should work

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On 5/10/2021 at 1:32 PM, ChasingScratch said:

Not to cross-promote here, but you should check out my thread on my swing overhaul.  I'm working on the right arm in the backswing as well.  You might find some nuggets there that may help you.

I did .. and I did! Thx 👍

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1 hour ago, cnosil said:

As I am incorporating this change I really need to focus on the takeaway and transition to hit the better shots; when I don’t thing about the swing before making the swing I see the misfits.  I have to stay focused on every swing or I am pretty sure I am falling back to the old swing.

Really interesting you'd mentioned that...

My lessons are definitely helping me, and definitely starting to hit a few (emphasized) shots on the course when it counts, BUT - can tell the difference when I rush or lose focus and feel the old (well-ingrained) bad habits pop up.

On-going work in progress, amiright???

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2 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Check Watson golf they have a similar style ball but without the lanyard. Or just a small ball you can buy at a sporting goods store or five below should work

Saw the Watson structureball product; it attaches to you arm and there are knockoffs of the smart ball on amazon. I could also try the shallower from Gankas.  I’ve tried balls that I have around the house but they just aren’t right.  I am also going to see if I can find a pool floatie that goes around your forearm.  The best option is still borrowing the one from Phillip 😁

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 Got a quick video of my swing today.  Still need to stand a little closer, but contact is more centered and right elbow isn't horrible. 

 

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8 hours ago, cnosil said:

 Got a quick video of my swing today.  Still need to stand a little closer, but contact is more centered and right elbow isn't horrible. 

 

Looking good right there. Looks like the hard work is paying off.

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12 hours ago, cnosil said:

 Got a quick video of my swing today.  Still need to stand a little closer, but contact is more centered and right elbow isn't horrible. 

 

Nice swing of Martin Laird... now put your swing up!  😂

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Progress on my game continues; while my low end of my scoring hasn’t improved, I feel like my high end has come down.    Full swing is more under control and toe strikes have been drastically reduced.  The changes to the full swing seem to have improved the short game swings as well.

Going to focus a bit more on my mid distance putting and putting focus.   I am going to work on focus because it is becoming apparent that when hitting the mid range putts I am making too many bad swings.   I have lots of confidence in my distance control, but occasionally I make really bad strokes that leave the putts significantly short.  This leads to a bit of frustration as I try to make the next putt.  Going to work on enhancing the pre-putt routine to make sure I am mentally prepared to make the stroke.   I have also noticed a little bit of a face control issue on the mid length putts. Been spending time recently on face control drills and am finding that this issue seems to tie back to the focus issue. 

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28 minutes ago, cnosil said:

Progress on my game continues; while my low end of my scoring hasn’t improved, I feel like my high end has come down.   

This was one of my most frustrating experiences last year. I felt like I was playing better but the low scores weren't there. However the range of scores closed considerably. It was a hard mental shift. I did reach my lowest index ever, so while it may not feel like it the progress is there. 

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45 minutes ago, cnosil said:

Progress on my game continues; while my low end of my scoring hasn’t improved, I feel like my high end has come down.    Full swing is more under control and toe strikes have been drastically reduced.  The changes to the full swing seem to have improved the short game swings as well.

Going to focus a bit more on my mid distance putting and putting focus.   I am going to work on focus because it is becoming apparent that when hitting the mid range putts I am making too many bad swings.   I have lots of confidence in my distance control, but occasionally I make really bad strokes that leave the putts significantly short.  This leads to a bit of frustration as I try to make the next putt.  Going to work on enhancing the pre-putt routine to make sure I am mentally prepared to make the stroke.   I have also noticed a little bit of a face control issue on the mid length putts. Been spending time recently on face control drills and am finding that this issue seems to tie back to the focus issue. 

I am in the same place currently. Not getting super low scores lately but have not been much higher than mid-80s which I will take when I still bounced into the 90s from time to time

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3 hours ago, cnosil said:

Progress on my game continues; while my low end of my scoring hasn’t improved, I feel like my high end has come down.

To echo @THEZIPR23 and @ejgaudette, I'm in the exact same place myself! Been hard to be content with that, but I'll walk off the course now feeling like I had no swing whatsoever that day and still be able to keep my bad rounds in check score-wise.

Beginning to understand just how hard it is to shoot near par consistently. There's just so much luck involved, on top of the incredible amount of skill required.

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8 minutes ago, edingc said:

Beginning to understand just how hard it is to shoot near par consistently. There's just so much luck involved, on top of the incredible amount of skill required.

I think that is what's holding me back!!  I only have a marginal amount of skill, and if it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all.  🤣

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6 hours ago, cnosil said:

Progress on my game continues; while my low end of my scoring hasn’t improved, I feel like my high end has come down.    Full swing is more under control and toe strikes have been drastically reduced.  The changes to the full swing seem to have improved the short game swings as well.

 

Seems to be a common theme.  In my own progress, I recognized that I'm striking the ball better and making fewer really errant swings.  With cleaner ball striking and improved short game, the numbers still don't reflect that improvement (yet).  I know it's closer to where I want to be and I know that if I continue to work on it, the scores will follow.

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Keep up the good work @cnosil! Even though you're not seeing the low end of your scoring spectrum going down, at least the high scores are starting to drop. That sounds like progress to me. 

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