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Carrying only one wedge after the PW, which would you choose?

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Well for the past couple of years I was content. I played my simple bag of classic clubs and didn’t need to obsess over the minutiae of all the details and configurations of modern clubs. I was enjoying the simplicity and was happy.

 

A big part of that happiness was in my short game. Any shot inside 75 yards I grabbed my trusty 1957 Wilson 3D Triple Duty wedge and opened the face or hooded it or generally manipulated it to do whatever was needed. I’ve gotten pretty good with it too.

 

But then I bought some new wedges to go with my modern set and now I’m overwhelmed with wedge choices... high bounce, low bounce, K grind, F grind, etc. The thing I do like is those nice new grooves and when I open up those new wedges the ball stops so easily.

 

Now I’m looking for the ultimate single wedge to put in my bag. A 54-56* (I’m playing a 50* pitching wedge) wedge that is great around the greens, from the rough, the sand, even tight lies. A grind that will keep the leading edge low when I open the face way up. That one perfect wedge.....so what is it?!

 

Cleveland RTX, Vokey, Ping Glide Forged?

 

Tell me the ultimate all-around wedge.

 

 

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I remember Bob Vokey saying the loft gapping in the higher wedges are ideally 4-5 degrees apart, but also to figure out true gapping with how you play it.  

I'm biased towards Vokey, so..... yea haha.  

If you open and close the face for a variety of different shots, I'd say a 54 or 56 bent to 55 in an M or D grind.  

Vokey has the online wedge selector, as I'm sure most others do too.  

Good luck!


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I only carry a 56 and find that its all I need.  Ive got a Ping Glide 2.0 right now and its a nice wedge but nothing special.  I think that it has too much bounce for hitting open face shots off of tighter lies.

If I were to buy a new wedge today, Id probably buy a Vokey SM8 56 degree with the s grind (10 degrees of bounce) because its the most versatile and is good for square faced shots but still is good when you open the face.

As someone who plays a minimal bag, I need to be able to open and close the face to manipulate the loft.

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Wedges, the most complicated club in the bag. I say that because we want them to be able to hit 100 different shots and work in all kinds if conditions.

I actually like your thought process one general wedge that I can learn and use all over the place.

Forget about the manufacturer, they all make a general purpose wedge that works for short game, sand, and can be opened up some. It should come in a mid bounce if 10-14 degrees with loft
of 54-56*.

Just pick one and like you do with you classic clubs learn how to use it an manipulate it to accomplish your goal. Grinds can help make hitting certain shots easier but at the expense of
something else. For example high bounce with no edge
Relief will work in sand but not be as easily opened for flop shots. The club with low bounce will let you open the face but reduce effectiveness for sand play.

You have probably learned all the techniques you need from playing your classic sets. Just do the same think with a new wedge.


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Just for gapping purposes I would probably go a 56 degree bent to 55. As for club it all comes down to your preference. I personally do not like my wedges to be chrome so I would personally go with the Vokey SM8 in black.

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For the most part you can do the same things with a 54 or 56. The grind options from a manufacturer should be the same in both as well as bounce. 
 

Your swing, course conditions including bunkers and how you plan to use the wedge all come into play. The great thing is that all the brands you are interested in have some sort of online fitting tool to help you choose. They have you enter some information about your swing, course and club usage. Based on that they will give you recommendation. 

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I carry a 52, 56, and 60 Cleveland RTX4 wedge set but find myself using the 56 more often.  56 degrees wedge is a very versatile loft for me as I can open up the face or close it for my shot needs.  I used to only carry a 56 after my pitching wedge before I purchased the entire set last season.  


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I've done this quite a bit this year, found it worked better with a 58* over a 56* (for me, of course).  It bears mention that my PW was 52*.  For what it's worth.  😎

As for company, I would look at a Wilson Staff wedge, a PMP, or perhaps their new Staff Model wedges, high toe or not.   My 58* is a PMP, it's quite lovely.

Failing that, Maltby.  Incredible value, and several options to fit you.  (side note: have a 60* Maltby Design that's outstanding, to the point I'm thinking about adding a 54* or 56*)

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If I were playing a 3 club challenge, a 52* Mid RTX4 would be one of them. It’s my favorite club for approaches under 70 yards, I can hit flops off the fairway, it’s workable in the rough, I’m also 100% with sand saves with it.

Since you have a 50, I’d go 54* Cleveland RTX4 Mid Grind.


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I have stated on MGS forums that I am a wedge junkie. I buy ones I have no intention of gaming just to test and compare to what I game. This reply could be wordy so apologies up front 😃.  My experiences / wedge info below. 

Grew up with only 48 deg PW and 56 deg SW ( 1970's). I figured it out. Two wedges any shot, played/learned by feel - no technology or lessons. Yes I wish I had had both. But at same time glad I learned what I did. We all have experiences like these. 

Fast forward to modern times (for me starting mid-90's) I went with three wedge setup to now I game four wedges. So the PW and GW are my full swing wedges exactly 4.5 degrees apart in loft.

The SW and LW depending on the ones I game (course/green type-condition dependent) are 5 degrees apart and steel shafted forged. C-Grind sole on Callway Jaws and zero heel bounce on the Wishon PCF's. 

So I can lay wide open either my CallwayJaws or my Wishon PCF's if need be.

In another era I could also lay open a Wilson Staff and/or Hogan PW and SW -- again I had to learn a little creativity with only two wedges at 7 degrees difference in loft. Had no clue about those old wedges sole design, just moved the ball accordingly and accelerated through the shot. Fun times. But thankful for new technology. 

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My thoughts on this are not brand related.  I've had a typical 4 wedge set up of PW, 52, 56, and 60.  However, the last two rounds I've played, I have been grabbing the 56 for short shots around the green and now I've been wondering if I really need the 60 in my bag or not.  For the longest time it was my comfort zone with wedge practice, but I have stopped reaching for it on the course.  There may just be a thing as too many wedges in the bag.

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Right now I’m leaning towards a TaylorMade Hi Toe or Callaway PM Grind. A big bit of marketing about these wedges is the versatility around the greens and the ease of opening them up for flop shots.


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Louisville Niblick Persimmon 3 & 5 woods

Hogan UIHI 4-iron*

Hogan PTx Pro 5-7*

Hogan Icon 8-PW*

KZG 51 gap wedge

KZG 56 sand wedge

Rife Legend Z Putter

 

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2 hours ago, deejaid said:

Right now I’m leaning towards a TaylorMade Hi Toe or Callaway PM Grind. A big bit of marketing about these wedges is the versatility around the greens and the ease of opening them up for flop shots.
 

People either like these high toe designs or they don't.  The Hi Toe has a little less bounce, and has full face grooves only on the 56 and up lofts.  I have not played the Hi Toe.  The PM Grind has higher bounce, but I have no problem with them on tight lies, and they are wonderful out of bunkers. Personally, I like my Callaway PM Grind wedges in 54 and 60 with the C-grind, and the full face grooves have been beneficial playing off slopes around the green; I tend to hit the toe on downhill and sidehill lies, and we have those in abundance.  I use the 60 more than the 54 around the green.  

If I were to get only one probably opt for a 56 if I hit full shots.  However, I don't use my 54 or 60 for full shots; maybe 3/4.

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I see Wilson has a Hi Toe style wedge as well, the Wilson Staff HT wedge.

Looks like it has a little less offset than the Callaway.


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Louisville Smart Persimmon Driver

Louisville Niblick Persimmon 3 & 5 woods

Hogan UIHI 4-iron*

Hogan PTx Pro 5-7*

Hogan Icon 8-PW*

KZG 51 gap wedge

KZG 56 sand wedge

Rife Legend Z Putter

 

*denotes clubs being tested

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Well, I found the Tour Edge Rally which is a copy Callaway PM Grind on close out for $24 at Budget Golf so I figured it would be a cheap way try out the hi toe design.

 

 

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WITB:

Louisville Smart Persimmon Driver

Louisville Niblick Persimmon 3 & 5 woods

Hogan UIHI 4-iron*

Hogan PTx Pro 5-7*

Hogan Icon 8-PW*

KZG 51 gap wedge

KZG 56 sand wedge

Rife Legend Z Putter

 

*denotes clubs being tested

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After my PW, I have an 50* Approach wedge, a 54* wedge and a 60* wedge.  If I had to choose just one, I would have the 54* in my bag.  I use it more often than the Approach wedge, and I really only use the 60* for flop shots on tough lies around the greens.

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On 7/1/2020 at 2:33 AM, deejaid said:

That one perfect wedge.....so what is it?!

Deejaid, for me it's the 56. I use this wedge more than any other in my bag besides putter. Without looking it up I can't tell you the specs. I mostly play bermuda courses and this club is the most versatile of any.

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My Tiltleist 54 degree in oil can finish. Its the best club in my bag. If I have to break off of driver for a hole, I plan it to give me the 54 into the green.

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