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5 minutes ago, StrokerAce said:

Yeah - taking a quick look at it online it seemed really analytical. And, like you said, he was trying to prove his point.

I'm sure there's good stuff in there but there also seems to be some extra noise.

Hoping that the Floyd book is more practical.

I think it depends on what you're looking for.  Broadie will give you better insight into the "guts" of decision making, into WHY one choice is better than another.  Floyd is more likely to help you learn how to hit the shots.  

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5 hours ago, StrokerAce said:

big time disagree with the first hole being irrelevant; esp if you aren't able to warm up prior to your round. 

I agree with you. Especially for our league nights - I don't have time to hit balls before the round, so which swing showed up is unknown until I hit the first ball. Fortunately #'s 1 and 10 are both short so a decent 3H off the tee usually leads to no more than a PW or GW depending on the wind.

I have little more than a passing familiarity of DECADE, but I feel like I get the gist of program from this place and following Scott on Twitter. I know I need to improve my decision-making. I probably try to pull off the low probability shot too often, but the only thing that has held me back on giving it a shot has been brought up by a few people in this thread: I might be better off spending the money on mechanics rather than the mental aspect. Looking at Arccos, my "Average Dispersion" with driver is 27 yards, with the extremes spanning nearly 160 yards over every recorded round. Unfortunately, that's not a typo. I can almost miss the planet if I'm not careful.

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Have nothing new to add in here, sorry, but am very much enjoying the discussion!! 

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One of the things Scott brings up that's part of Floyd's book on scoring is that the thing that really separates the top level pros is their ability to score even when they don't have their A game. I might be misremembering the quote, but I believe somewhere in Floyd's book, based on a video from Scott, Floyd says he could trade the physical ability he has with a less skilled amateur but if he kept the mental ability he has, he'd still beat the amateur because he has the mental knowhow of how to score.

That's not to say DECADE, or any other modern strategy system, will be THE ONLY thing that lowers your handicap, but having something like DECADE can expedite the improvement process. Scott mentioned it in the webinar, if your golf swing is inconsistent to the point where your shots are not doing what you intended them to do, and also they don't fit within the normal variance you'd expect, then you need to work on your golf swing.

And the other big thing he discussed is the quickest way to drop your handicap is bogey avoidance. How do you avoid bogeys? Stop trying to hit the hero shot, and hit the shot that gives you the highest percentage of getting down in the lowest amount of strokes. That's obviously much easier said than done and that's where the patience and discipline element of DECADE comes in. Be committed to hitting high percentage shots as much as you can, and your scores will drop. There's a lot more to it obviously, and I know it can be a hard choice to pick between something like DECADE or a lesson, especially when your golf swing could use the work, but maybe it's a compromise where instead of taking, for example, 4 lessons with a teaching pro, you take 3 and use the money for the 4th on Foundations.

Like I said, I'm not an expert in DECADE but I certainly do believe in it and when I do get the chance to play more consistently, I'll 100% be signing up for Foundations.

I agree with you. Especially for our league nights - I don't have time to hit balls before the round, so which swing showed up is unknown until I hit the first ball. Fortunately #'s 1 and 10 are both short so a decent 3H off the tee usually leads to no more than a PW or GW depending on the wind.
I have little more than a passing familiarity of DECADE, but I feel like I get the gist of program from this place and following Scott on Twitter. I know I need to improve my decision-making. I probably try to pull off the low probability shot too often, but the only thing that has held me back on giving it a shot has been brought up by a few people in this thread: I might be better off spending the money on mechanics rather than the mental aspect. Looking at Arccos, my "Average Dispersion" with driver is 27 yards, with the extremes spanning nearly 160 yards over every recorded round. Unfortunately, that's not a typo. I can almost miss the planet if I'm not careful.


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This is a very interesting discussion, I need to really look into this more


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On 4/16/2021 at 8:58 AM, StrokerAce said:

what would DECADE suggest from here?

This is the first hole.

if you want to carry the water - 200;

Do you go for the square (243) with a 35 yard wide landing area or play to the circle with a more generous landing area?
again...first hole of the day. 

(FWIW I drew this on Google Earth on the web. That is a bad a** app!)

 

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Here's how I played the hole on Sunday.

I asked the starter who sits right behind the tee box for advice.
He said he pretty much never sees anyone try to hit driver or anything over the tree. That tree is 100 feet tall. If you hit driver you have to go through it somehow.
He said that the tee box lines most guys up to the right of the fairway and, it being the first swing of the day usually, guys aren't as loose and can't rotate their hips as well and end up fading it too far right and get blocked out---exactly what the 3 guys I played with did who all were over par!
He helped me with alignment and club selection. and it turned out well. Had about a 20 footer for birdie but was happy to start with a par.

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30 minutes ago, StrokerAce said:

Here's how I played the hole on Sunday.

I asked the starter who sits right behind the tee box for advice.
He said he pretty much never sees anyone try to hit driver or anything over the tree. That tree is 100 feet tall. If you hit driver you have to go through it somehow.
He said that the tee box lines most guys up to the right of the fairway and, it being the first swing of the day usually, guys aren't as loose and can't rotate their hips as well and end up fading it too far right and get blocked out---exactly what the 3 guys I played with did who all were over par!
He helped me with alignment and club selection. and it turned out well. Had about a 20 footer for birdie but was happy to start with a par.

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And I believe DECADE would have supported this decision. Your 5 iron left you essentially a wedge/short iron into the green. It also looks like your second shot didn't have to deal with the bunker in front of the green. Playing too far right off the tee would bring that into play in addition to possibly being blocked out.

I tested my strategy on No. 1 and No. 3 Saturday morning and it worked OK for the most part. Need to aim a little further right on No. 1. First swing of the day without warm-up and I hit a pretty good ball but was aimed a little too left. The fairway slopes down and right but I landed it past the slope and it ran out straight with the tree almost in the way. It led to a tough knockdown that I just didn't hit hard enough to get through the wet grass. Saved par after a good chip to two feet:

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Hit a poor 2 hybrid on No. 3 and gave up a bit of distance because of that, but had good line to the bail out area I highlighted in my earlier post. Blocked the 4 hybrid a bit, but it ended up in the general spot I wanted. Still had a bit of a knockdown nine iron that hit just short of the green and checked up for a two-putt par.

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I'll have to keep tweaking strategies and aim lines as the season goes on.

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On 7/2/2020 at 4:32 PM, analyticandrew said:

I didn't see many posts talking about this app and strategy, and I am JUST getting started (week one!) so I thought I'd start this thread and inform/keep you up to date on my progress.

Disclaimer: if you're here looking for me to give away details of what's IN the app, I won't do that in detail because this is a paid app and I don't want to give away the farm. BUT I will talk about some of the things that the app is helping me with, etc.

So... Week one:

  1. WTH is the decade app? https://decade.birdiefire.com/
    1. For me, it feels like an all encompassing course management, data collection, strategy and content catalog designed to truly help you improve your game. 
    2. What it is NOT is a competitor for Arccos and the like. There will be a good deal of manual data collection and entry for me, but understanding strokes gained and what are the most important things for me to practice and bring to the course.
  2. What am I learning?
    1. First of all, the things from "month one" (which I watched all the videos in the first week) have made an impact to my practice and approach already.
    2. Having a routine - I do not have one. And I would estimate that 90%+ of golfers out there do not go through the same routine for every shot. What does not having a routine do? It allows for outside talk to creep into your brain and you say things to yourself like "don't hit it in the water" instead of committing to a line, having a routine, and hitting it.
    3. Aim - this seems like such a basic idea, but I play a draw. And I for YEARS would still aim where I wanted the ball to go, NOT where I should aim... So if I want to end up at the 175 yard marker, I might need to aim 10 yards right of that in my practice and rounds to get where I truly need to go. 

None of this is secret sauce (like I said, I don't want to give that away), but in less than a week, I already had one of the best range sessions that I've ever had. I can see this translating to the course, but only time will tell!

I'm in the foundations program, have the app on the phone... does it go over target selection on greens somewhere? I like most of the stuff in it, but feel like I'm missing something.

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On 4/16/2021 at 8:21 PM, FrogginBullfish said:

And the other big thing he discussed is the quickest way to drop your handicap is bogey avoidance. How do you avoid bogeys?

Scott was on a podcast (The Perfect Par with Carter Stroup) and talked about Tiger's goals for a round... I thought it was super interesting and a great takeaway for most golfers... Interestingly, none of the goals involve making birdie or better. It's also the foundation for what metrics he tracks on the scoring portion of the app.

https://golf.com/instruction/5-golden-scoring-rules-scott-fawcett/

1. Don't bogey par 5s... This actually overlaps with other ideas, but you should have a short iron into the green at worst on a par 5, thus there is no reason not to make par or better.

2. No Double Bogeys - Fear is the mind killer. Doubles are the round killer... This is one I'm still working on. More than anything, I think of this rule as "don't compound mistakes"... escape with bogey and move on!

3. No Three putts... Easier said than done. I've really improved my putting recently, and one of my key things when i'm more than 10 feet out is basically saying to myself "just have an easy 2 putt"... Have I three putt? Yes. Am I getting better? Hopefully.

4. No Bogeys with 9 iron or less in. This one is a little less quantifiable... but I think the key is: make sure you are focused from 150 yards in, and either put it on the green, or leave yourself and easy up and down.

5. Don't blow easy saves: On Scott's scoring app, this just asks for double chips... but I'm working on getting up and down more from around the green. It's not the flop shot to the tucked pin I'm worried about... it's about putting a bump and run gap wedge from 8 feet off the green to a makeable putt that I'm worried about... and then focusing on making sure I have more of those shots than the flop shots!

 

Scott has talked about Tiger's strategy and how basically Tiger was doing the DECADE math before DECADE existed. (Scott will also say he didn't invent any of this, he's just built a more formalized system to help golfers). I'm still learning the system, and haven't seen the green targeting stuff, but some parts of DECADE have already helped me a ton. 

I think, more than anything, one of the biggest keys is to not try to force scores. Don't chase birdies, don't force shots... The ball doesn't remember how many times you've hit it. Punching out of the trees is the smart play for the first shot in the trees but it's also the smart shot after you tried the dumb shot, hit a tree and the ball is back at your feet. 

 

 

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30 minutes ago, myherobobhope said:

I'm in the foundations program, have the app on the phone... does it go over target selection on greens somewhere? I like most of the stuff in it, but feel like I'm missing something.

I don’t know how far you have gotten in the program but yes there is lots of coverage starting in month 3 videos.  

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42 minutes ago, cnosil said:

I don’t know how far you have gotten in the program but yes there is lots of coverage starting in month 3 videos.  

Ha, I only have Month 1 videos... Not sure why? I've watched them all... I'll harass Scott.

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15 minutes ago, myherobobhope said:

Ha, I only have Month 1 videos... Not sure why? I've watched them all... I'll harass Scott.

I’m in the same boat as you but don’t think you should check with Scott yet...the point of foundations is to force you to slow down and digest it before driving on, so the app only releases the content to you a month at a time.  If you don’t have access to Month 2 once your first month of membership has passed, then time to check in with him.

If you’re like me...i haven’t been a member a full 2 weeks yet but I have watched all the Month 1 videos at least 3 times...you want to jump in and this first month only wets the appetite for more.  In the interim I’d recommend checking out the “Scott’s Desk” videos in the app...a LOT of great content there.

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13 minutes ago, Getoffmylawn said:

I’m in the same boat as you but don’t think you should check with Scott yet...the point of foundations is to force you to slow down and digest it before driving on, so the app only releases the content to you a month at a time.  If you don’t have access to Month 2 once your first month of membership has passed, then time to check in with him.

If you’re like me...i haven’t been a member a full 2 weeks yet but I have watched all the Month 1 videos at least 3 times...you want to jump in and this first month only wets the appetite for more.  In the interim I’d recommend checking out the “Scott’s Desk” videos in the app...a LOT of great content there.

I’ve been a member for longer than a month, but it’s a free membership... I’ll check out his stuff on the other tab.

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24 minutes ago, myherobobhope said:

I’ve been a member for longer than a month, but it’s a free membership... I’ll check out his stuff on the other tab.

The free membership only accesses 1 month of content, additional videos will not unlock. The Practical Golf website is running a promo where 6 months of DECADE foundations is $75 instead of $99. 

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1 hour ago, BMart519 said:

The free membership only accesses 1 month of content, additional videos will not unlock. The Practical Golf website is running a promo where 6 months of DECADE foundations is $75 instead of $99. 

Ah, ironically I thought the free membership only lasted a month... thanks!

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2 minutes ago, myherobobhope said:

Ah, ironically I thought the free membership only lasted a month... thanks!

It does only last a month.  You get no new content after the trial period but you can still access the first month  

 

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3 minutes ago, cnosil said:

It does only last a month.  You get no new content after the trial period but you can still access the first month  

 

Thanks... I was actually confused why I still had access... I bought a groove it brush from practical golf, which gave me the original access. I had been planning on signing up once I was playing more.

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8 minutes ago, myherobobhope said:

Thanks... I was actually confused why I still had access... I bought a groove it brush from practical golf, which gave me the original access. I had been planning on signing up once I was playing more.

If you are going to sign up don’t wait until you start playing lots of content that you will rewatch and will be beneficial before you play. 

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25 minutes ago, cnosil said:

If you are going to sign up don’t wait until you start playing lots of content that you will rewatch and will be beneficial before you play. 

I hear you. I will sign up for it next month as it starts a new fiscal quarter in my golf budget! (and by that I mean my wife hasn't noticed how much I've spent on golf this month, and I need to keep it quiet)

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Mavrik 13.5 Degree - Hazardus Smoke

Sub70 19 degree - Proforce V2 8F5

Sub70 4u - Proforce V2 8F5

Sub70 5i - DG S400

Adams CMB 6-GW - Project X 6.0

Sub70 54 (286) and 58 (JB Low Bounce) - S300

SeeMore Trimetal Mallet (Custom fit and built... Kudos to Cody)

And as always, Kudos to Craigers.

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