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  1. 1. Which best describes your missed putts?

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At last weeks PNW Spy Meetup, I was suffering a horrible case of the shorts.  I was kidding with the group that I was honestly trying to get the ball past the hole on some putts, and simply could not will myself to do so...so aggravating.  Thinking back, I feel I come up short way more often than long. That got me to wondering what the general tendency is amongst us... do you tend to putt short or long when they do not go in the hole?

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Just had this conversation with my buddy who I have played with for 20 years. We are the direct opposite, he is always short, and I hole more putts when I putt 2-3 feet past the hole. It’s a fine balance for me, my speed & line matches best when I am more aggressive but that also leads to more 3 putt opportunities. But on the flip side I don’t make as many if I am not. 

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Just had this conversation with my buddy who I have played with for 20 years. We are the direct opposite, he is always short, and I hole more putts when I putt 2-3 feet past the hole. It’s a fine balance for me, my speed & line matches best when I am more aggressive but that also leads to more 3 putt opportunities. But on the flip side I don’t make as many if I am not. 

Well, I suppose the old adage "never up, never in" makes sense.  They simply cannot go in the hole if they do not get to it.  

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I miss both short and long,  but the ones that are short are the ones I remember the most.  

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I probably miss the most when I don't have enough speed to get the right distance past the hole.  The putts get there, the line looks good for a long time, but they break right across the front of the hole.  One thing I know, every putt that doesn't at least get to the hole doesn't go in.  Some of the ones that make it far enough do drop.

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It’s interesting, I find that I’m usually hitting it too hard from inside 20 feet, and too light from outside 20 feet. What I’ve done to get my speed to match up a little on putts of all length better is adjusting my focal point during my pre-shot routine.  For shorter putts I look at the front of the hole and for longer putts, I visualize the ball hitting the back of the hole. 

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I feel like when my speed is right I miss because I'll pull it or my lines wrong. If my line is correct and I miss, it feels like it's usually because of a conservative pace that misses low

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Speed is king. WAY more than line is. So this resonates with me. I used to try and make putts. Reality is that even the best putters in the world don’t try to make putts. They try and get the right speed. And do it every time. Sometimes the line is perfect and the hole gets in the way.

I miss left and right and short and long. If I can GIR it, and my speed is right, I’m hopefully not three putting. Doesn’t always go that well for me. :-)


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26 minutes ago, analyticandrew said:

Speed is king. WAY more than line is. So this resonates with me. I used to try and make putts. Reality is that even the best putters in the world don’t try to make putts. They try and get the right speed. And do it every time. Sometimes the line is perfect and the hole gets in the way.

I miss left and right and short and long. If I can GIR it, and my speed is right, I’m hopefully not three putting. Doesn’t always go that well for me. 🙂

I don't agree, speed is just one of the components in making a putt.  Yes, speed is probably the most important part of avoiding 3-putts, but to MAKE a putt you need to get the read right, the speed to match the read, and hit the intended line.  And I'd bet that most of the best players are trying to make every single putt, even if they don't EXPECT to make every one.  They understand the statistics, they're not mad if they miss a 30-footer, but they're trying to make them

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I don't agree, speed is just one of the components in making a putt.  Yes, speed is probably the most important part of avoiding 3-putts, but to MAKE a putt you need to get the read right, the speed to match the read, and hit the intended line.  And I'd bet that most of the best players are trying to make every single putt, even if they don't EXPECT to make every one.  They understand the statistics, they're not mad if they miss a 30-footer, but they're trying to make them

They maybe trying to make every putt, but their focus is speed almost every single time. Speed outweighs line by a good margin. 

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They understand the statistics, they're not mad if they miss a 30-footer, but they're trying to make them

I agree that most are trying to make every putt (lags in particular).  I think the difference between them and scratch amateurs is the confidence in those 2-4 foot comeback putts.  In my case, I think running it past the hole, and having to make the save putt, subconsciously gets into my head.  This past weekend's shorty-itis was a bit of an outlier but I still would estimate I'm short 3:1 or more.

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17 hours ago, fixyurdivot said:

At last weeks PNW Spy Meetup, I was suffering a horrible case of the shorts.  I was kidding with the group that I was honestly trying to get the ball past the hole on some putts, and simply could not will myself to do so...so aggravating.  Thinking back, I feel I come up short way more often than long. That got me to wondering what the general tendency is amongst us... do you tend to putt short or long when they do not go in the hole?

Well, you weren't the only one, and I thought you putted very well!!  At Indian Canyon in Spokane the greens were a little slow, but depending where you were on the green, there was some serious uphill surrounding terrain.  We were all short.  At Circling Raven the speed was a little slower than I was used to at my course, and the greens had more undulations than our greens.  I left a bunch short, just because of green unfamiliarity.  

When I play at my home course, I rarely leave a putt short unless I am playing late in the day.  By short I mean woefully short or more than 2 feet, including what I call lag putts.  The Poa Annua grass grows enough during the day and it gets bumpy, and I will leave some putts short.  I generally play early in the morning after the greens are freshly mown, and they are the quickest.

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I agree that most are trying to make every putt (lags in particular).  I think the difference between them and scratch amateurs is the confidence in those 2-4 foot comeback putts.  In my case, I think running it past the hole, and having to make the save putt, subconsciously gets into my head.  This past weekend's shorty-itis was a bit of an outlier but I still would estimate I'm short 3:1 or more.


You’re making my point for me (maybe? Lol ) :-)

Many of the best putters don’t have 4 feet coming back. Tony Finau averages 1’10” for his finishing putt (through the travelers) and leads the tour (along with Tway, Stricker and Bubba). The guy who is LAST on tour in approach putt performance? Brooks Koepka... but he’s only 2’6”. Even DeChambeau, who many pundits consider “average” only has 2’ left this year.

So if you get the speed right, even if your line is off 50% of the time, you won’t have 4’ finishers. You might have 3’ or even better.

Pace or speed determines line. A putt that breaks 3 cups if hit very softly “dying” at the hole might only break 2 cups if it were in the “back of the cup” with more speed (finishing 18” past the cup if you missed) and might only break 1 cup with yet more pace (finishing 3’+ past the cup if you missed it).

Here’s a great video explaining some of my thoughts.


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You’re making my point for me (maybe? Lol ) 🙂

Many of the best putters don’t have 4 feet coming back. Tony Finau averages 1’10” for his finishing putt (through the travelers) and leads the tour (along with Tway, Stricker and Bubba). The guy who is LAST on tour in approach putt performance? Brooks Koepka... but he’s only 2’6”. Even DeChambeau, who many pundits consider “average” only has 2’ left this year.

So if you get the speed right, even if your line is off 50% of the time, you won’t have 4’ finishers. You might have 3’ or even better.

Pace or speed determines line. A putt that breaks 3 cups if hit very softly “dying” at the hole might only break 2 cups if it were in the “back of the cup” with more speed (finishing 18” past the cup if you missed) and might only break 1 cup with yet more pace (finishing 3’+ past the cup if you missed it).

Here’s a great video explaining some of my thoughts.

 

 


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I did mention "them (pros) and scratch amateurs"... where, on average, even their misses are better 😬

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Well, you weren't the only one, and I thought you putted very well!!

Thanks Kenny, that's definitely a compliment coming from you.  Not mentioned in this discussion is that I frequently want to kick myself in the rear after missing a putt and not having taken the time to look at it (terrain, break, slope) more closely.  I have been making more of an effort to do so but sometimes feel conscious of taking too much time. 

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You’re making my point for me (maybe? Lol ) 🙂

Many of the best putters don’t have 4 feet coming back. Tony Finau averages 1’10” for his finishing putt (through the travelers) and leads the tour (along with Tway, Stricker and Bubba). The guy who is LAST on tour in approach putt performance? Brooks Koepka... but he’s only 2’6”. Even DeChambeau, who many pundits consider “average” only has 2’ left this year.

So if you get the speed right, even if your line is off 50% of the time, you won’t have 4’ finishers. You might have 3’ or even better.

Pace or speed determines line. A putt that breaks 3 cups if hit very softly “dying” at the hole might only break 2 cups if it were in the “back of the cup” with more speed (finishing 18” past the cup if you missed) and might only break 1 cup with yet more pace (finishing 3’+ past the cup if you missed it).
 

 

Phil Kenyon does great stuff.  The only problem with talking about averages in this context is that if I roll a bunch of putts to inside a foot it skews the average and I also don't know the first putt distance.   

Here is another video that presents some interesting information;  go to 50:46 into the video and he will describe an experiment that was done by a pro with a 20' putt.  His shot pattern for the 20' putt was over 6 feet deep!    As a player 3 feet and in should become pretty much 100% which means all you have to do is roll the ball into a 6' diameter circle.  Obviously you don't want to hit a four foot putt 3 feet past the hole,  but as we move out from the hole, don't be afraid to roll the ball 3 feet past the hole. and 3' short isn't necessarily bad.   The video also has a distance control drill that kinds of lays out the leave distance expectations from various distances.  

 

 

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Phil Kenyon does great stuff.  The only problem with talking about averages in this context is that if I roll a bunch of putts to inside a foot it skews the average and I also don't know the first putt distance.   
Here is another video that presents some interesting information;  go to 50:46 into the video and he will describe an experiment that was done by a pro with a 20' putt.  His shot pattern for the 20' putt was over 6 feet deep!    As a player 3 feet and in should become pretty much 100% which means all you have to do is roll the ball into a 6' diameter circle.  Obviously you don't want to hit a four foot putt 3 feet past the hole,  but as we move out from the hole, don't be afraid to roll the ball 3 feet past the hole. and 3' short isn't necessarily bad.   The video also has a distance control drill that kinds of lays out the leave distance expectations from various distances.  
 
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Short and left. I think we miss hit putter far more frequently than we’d care to admit leading to leaving putts short.


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Short and left. I think we miss hit putter far more frequently than we’d care to admit leading to leaving putts short.


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It will depend on the golfer. My short putts are less mishit and more stroke length/tempo related. You could consider that a mishit but when I think mishit I think face location.
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I've been trying to ignore my putting lately. I had 4 missed putts my last round (2 for birdie 2 to save par) that were perfectly on line and were inches from falling. I know if I thought (just hit it harder) it would have run past the hole by 5 feet.

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