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Titleist AVX (2020) vs. Vice Pro (2020)


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Hi Everyone,

 

I'm stuck here in Minnesota where it has been unbearably hot or thunderstorming, so I thought I would do a review of two balls relatively new to the market. I have chosen the new Titleist AVX and Vice Pro because I've been looking for a ball with low-spin off of my longer clubs but that also retains spin from the mid-irons down to chips. Also, I'm a sucker for how the dimple-pattern on the AVX looks AND for how sleek Vice's logo is. As you will see, the review consists of a variety of different shots that were tracked using FlightScope Mevo:

1. 10-yard Bump-and-Run (Closed-face 54* SW)

2. 10-yard Chip (60* LW)

3. 50-yard Pitch (60* LW)

4. Full 60* Lob Wedge

5. Full 7-Iron

6. Full 3-Wood

(I know that the typical "driver" component is missing, but I haven't included it because I don't usually hit driver and instead use my 3-wood off of the tee. I hope this doesn't ruin the test for anyone!)

So, without further ado, here are the head-to-head results for each ball (I hit many shots with each ball and only chose shots that that represented good/typical swings):

10-Yard Bump-and-Run

AVX:

                              Ball Speed                                                                                                    Carry                      Launch Angle            Spin            Height           Time Airborne

397567743_AVXBNR.png.b39b97f54630559b040e149f12fe2b4c.png

Vice Pro:

905620697_ViceBNR.jpg.94f58db05ab4b90a994293542d65b5f3.jpg

 

10-Yard Chip

                              Ball Speed                                                                                                    Carry                      Launch Angle            Spin            Height           Time Airborne

AVX:

1653535501_AVXChip.jpg.0e1556b7af90a011453b0e0e9ede502a.jpg

Vice Pro:

1001617521_ViceChip.jpg.ae2104b1206c59a87c4e55313ecf2d08.jpg

 

50-Yard Pitch

                              Ball Speed                                                                                                    Carry                      Launch Angle            Spin            Height           Time Airborne

AVX:

1884781088_AVXPitch.jpg.1b21bd2cda133bfc5027505a44eb4172.jpg

Vice Pro:

1117022749_VicePitch.jpg.2db5ab12aec3b670036dc1662082015a.jpg

Full Lob Wedge

                              Ball Speed                                                                                                    Carry                      Launch Angle            Spin            Height           Time Airborne

AVX:

286842953_AVXLW.jpg.23103aebbe39132a7fe5735b22f62202.jpg

Vice Pro:

2040519357_ViceLW.jpg.22f2bdc5feacf599bd01624cbe108421.jpg

 

7-Iron

                              Ball Speed                                                                                                    Carry                      Launch Angle            Spin            Height           Time Airborne

AVX:

308679829_AVX7.jpg.d09ba0dae949bed4aff2f188c91e0036.jpg

Vice Pro:

274043969_Vice7.jpg.c5feb4fdfbd65631650aae11f83da20f.jpg

 

3-Wood

                              Ball Speed                                                                                                    Carry                      Launch Angle            Spin            Height           Time Airborne

AVX:

1086200992_AVX3W.jpg.eee55fca42e60ed84088afcd76b71605.jpg

Vice Pro:

224353584_Vice3W.jpg.f975873b9010f8c6af8ac92f0105cca4.jpg

 

Conclusions:

Wow, what a similar ball! I really wasn't expecting so much overlap. There are a few stand-out statistics to me, though:

1. The two balls are basically identical on green-side chips.

2. The AVX launches consistently higher than the Vice Pro (except for the full LW).

3. The distance on full shots is generally comparable.

4. The Vice Pro spins a few-hundred rpm's more with the lob wedge, but a few hundred rpm's less with the 7-iron.

5. The Vice Pro carries farther with a more penetrating trajectory and less spin with the 3-wood.

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:mizuno-small: ST 200 9.5°, Mitsubishi Tensei AV Blue 65 S

:mizuno-small: ST 200 3w 15°, Diamana S+ 60 S

:srixon-small: Z H85 3h 19°, Project X Hzrdus Black Hybrid 6.0

:taylormade-small: P770 (2017) 4-PW, KBS Tour FLT 120 S

:vokey-small: SM8 50.08F, 54.14F, 58.08M, KBS Tour S

:ping-small: Sigma 2 Fetch 34"

:bridgestone-small: Tour B X

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Interesting side by side test! So..... is one of these now your gamer ball?

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WITB of an "aspiring"  😉 play-ah ...
..Callaway Epic Speed 4W and Epic Max 7W (both Project X Cypher)
..Callaway Big Bertha 4H and 5H (both Recoil ZTR)
..PXG 0211 6i-GW (Mitsubishi MMT) 
..Cleveland CBX-2 54 and CBX 60 (both Rotex graphite)
..MLA Tour XDream (33", +2up, 400g, P2 Reflex Tour)
.. .. see MLA Offical Forum Member Reviews (..on the bench: Evnroll ER5)
..all in a Datrek bag on a Bag Boy Quad XL push an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart.

Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020)

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21 minutes ago, cksurfdude said:

Interesting side by side test! So..... is one of these now your gamer ball?

This was the test to decide... and I’m still mulling it over. I’m leaning Vice Pro if only for the slightly better 3-wood performance. 

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:mizuno-small: ST 200 9.5°, Mitsubishi Tensei AV Blue 65 S

:mizuno-small: ST 200 3w 15°, Diamana S+ 60 S

:srixon-small: Z H85 3h 19°, Project X Hzrdus Black Hybrid 6.0

:taylormade-small: P770 (2017) 4-PW, KBS Tour FLT 120 S

:vokey-small: SM8 50.08F, 54.14F, 58.08M, KBS Tour S

:ping-small: Sigma 2 Fetch 34"

:bridgestone-small: Tour B X

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Makes sense if they're so near to each other in all the other areas, and that 3W ball flight would help your game .... good luck!

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WITB of an "aspiring"  😉 play-ah ...
..Callaway Epic Speed 4W and Epic Max 7W (both Project X Cypher)
..Callaway Big Bertha 4H and 5H (both Recoil ZTR)
..PXG 0211 6i-GW (Mitsubishi MMT) 
..Cleveland CBX-2 54 and CBX 60 (both Rotex graphite)
..MLA Tour XDream (33", +2up, 400g, P2 Reflex Tour)
.. .. see MLA Offical Forum Member Reviews (..on the bench: Evnroll ER5)
..all in a Datrek bag on a Bag Boy Quad XL push an MGI Zip Navigator electric cart.

Forum Member tester for the ExPutt Putting Simulator (2020)

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And price difference as well...

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:cobra-small: SpeedZone 9* w/ Aldila Rogue Silver 60 S
:callaway-small: X2 Hot 3 Deep 14.5* w/ Aldila Tour Green 75 S
:taylormade-small: JetSpeed 5W 19* w/ Matrix Velox T 69 S OR :adams-small: Super LS 3H 19* w/ Kuro Kage Black 80 S
:mizuno-small: JPX919 Forged 4-PW w/ Modus3 105 S
:titelist-small: Vokey SM7 50/08F, 54/14F & 58/08M w/ Modus3 115 Wedge
:EVNROLL: ER1 34" w/ SuperStroke Fatso 2.0
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Good stuff! Nice to see a performance review of the new Vice. Since the ball test I’ve played the old Vice Pro but I’m weary of the new ball until I see some validation from the ball lab. Obviously price is my biggest hurdle, but from what I’ve seen, can’t find a better ball for the money. I mean, you’re talking half the price and similar performance with the AVX.


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I personally love the Vice Pro, it is probably my new go-to ball. The Snell MTB Black and Taylormade TP5x also give me very similar performance/feel, and I will game them if I'm randomly out of Vice Pros. 

Driver: :titelist-small: TSi3 9* w/ Accra Tour Z RPG 462 M4+

3 Wood: :titelist-small:TSi2 15* w/ Mitsubishi Tensei AV Raw Blue 65

3 Hybrid: :ping-small: G425 19* w/ Alta CB 70

Irons: :mizuno-small: MP-20 HMB (4-6) / MMC (7-PW) w/ DG X100

Wedges: :vokey-small: SM6 54 S-grind / 58 M-grind w/ DG S300

Putter: :odyssey-small: White Hot Rx V-line Fang 

Ball: :taylormade-small: TP5x

Bag: :ping-small: Hoofer 

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On 7/9/2020 at 5:52 PM, adamflowers said:

Hi Everyone,

 

I'm stuck here in Minnesota where it has been unbearably hot or thunderstorming, so I thought I would do a review of two balls relatively new to the market. I have chosen the new Titleist AVX and Vice Pro because I've been looking for a ball with low-spin off of my longer clubs but that also retains spin from the mid-irons down to chips. Also, I'm a sucker for how the dimple-pattern on the AVX looks AND for how sleek Vice's logo is. As you will see, the review consists of a variety of different shots that were tracked using FlightScope Mevo:

1. 10-yard Bump-and-Run (Closed-face 54* SW)

2. 10-yard Chip (60* LW)

3. 50-yard Pitch (60* LW)

4. Full 60* Lob Wedge

5. Full 7-Iron

6. Full 3-Wood

(I know that the typical "driver" component is missing, but I haven't included it because I don't usually hit driver and instead use my 3-wood off of the tee. I hope this doesn't ruin the test for anyone!)

So, without further ado, here are the head-to-head results for each ball (I hit many shots with each ball and only chose shots that that represented good/typical swings):

10-Yard Bump-and-Run

AVX:

                              Ball Speed                                                                                                    Carry                      Launch Angle            Spin            Height           Time Airborne

397567743_AVXBNR.png.b39b97f54630559b040e149f12fe2b4c.png

Vice Pro:

905620697_ViceBNR.jpg.94f58db05ab4b90a994293542d65b5f3.jpg

 

10-Yard Chip

                              Ball Speed                                                                                                    Carry                      Launch Angle            Spin            Height           Time Airborne

AVX:

1653535501_AVXChip.jpg.0e1556b7af90a011453b0e0e9ede502a.jpg

Vice Pro:

1001617521_ViceChip.jpg.ae2104b1206c59a87c4e55313ecf2d08.jpg

 

50-Yard Pitch

                              Ball Speed                                                                                                    Carry                      Launch Angle            Spin            Height           Time Airborne

AVX:

1884781088_AVXPitch.jpg.1b21bd2cda133bfc5027505a44eb4172.jpg

Vice Pro:

1117022749_VicePitch.jpg.2db5ab12aec3b670036dc1662082015a.jpg

Full Lob Wedge

                              Ball Speed                                                                                                    Carry                      Launch Angle            Spin            Height           Time Airborne

AVX:

286842953_AVXLW.jpg.23103aebbe39132a7fe5735b22f62202.jpg

Vice Pro:

2040519357_ViceLW.jpg.22f2bdc5feacf599bd01624cbe108421.jpg

 

7-Iron

                              Ball Speed                                                                                                    Carry                      Launch Angle            Spin            Height           Time Airborne

AVX:

308679829_AVX7.jpg.d09ba0dae949bed4aff2f188c91e0036.jpg

Vice Pro:

274043969_Vice7.jpg.c5feb4fdfbd65631650aae11f83da20f.jpg

 

3-Wood

                              Ball Speed                                                                                                    Carry                      Launch Angle            Spin            Height           Time Airborne

AVX:

1086200992_AVX3W.jpg.eee55fca42e60ed84088afcd76b71605.jpg

Vice Pro:

224353584_Vice3W.jpg.f975873b9010f8c6af8ac92f0105cca4.jpg

 

Conclusions:

Wow, what a similar ball! I really wasn't expecting so much overlap. There are a few stand-out statistics to me, though:

1. The two balls are basically identical on green-side chips.

2. The AVX launches consistently higher than the Vice Pro (except for the full LW).

3. The distance on full shots is generally comparable.

4. The Vice Pro spins a few-hundred rpm's more with the lob wedge, but a few hundred rpm's less with the 7-iron.

5. The Vice Pro carries farther with a more penetrating trajectory and less spin with the 3-wood.

So that is awesome little test. Both golf balls quality as you know. Can't really go wrong with either.

Being a stats kind of guy, I am curious, which ball was more accurate regarding the #7 iron? Those #'s are interesting to me ("4. The Vice Pro spins a few-hundred rpm's more with the lob wedge, but a few hundred rpm's less with the 7-iron.) Thank you. 

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TXG just did a comparison ProV1 vs Vice Pro 2020

 

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:cobra-small: SpeedZone 9* w/ Aldila Rogue Silver 60 S
:callaway-small: X2 Hot 3 Deep 14.5* w/ Aldila Tour Green 75 S
:taylormade-small: JetSpeed 5W 19* w/ Matrix Velox T 69 S OR :adams-small: Super LS 3H 19* w/ Kuro Kage Black 80 S
:mizuno-small: JPX919 Forged 4-PW w/ Modus3 105 S
:titelist-small: Vokey SM7 50/08F, 54/14F & 58/08M w/ Modus3 115 Wedge
:EVNROLL: ER1 34" w/ SuperStroke Fatso 2.0
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I have played the Vice Pro all summer.  I have to admit, the "improved" version is a fantastic golf ball.  As the TXG video points out, the performance and consistency of the new Vice is right up there with Pro-V.  

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