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10 hours ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

What is so impressive about this.  Cnosil had 15 if his 1st putts comceded and made 4.   These I'm taking it were all at the same distance I putted many of them over 25 feet.  

 

Actually two of the makes were over 30 feet! Made a short one, 10ft, one at 19, and the two long ones.

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6 hours ago, gavinski91 said:

The hint is definitely the key - one of my issues with the system is that the greens are really hard to read on the screen. It might work for some, but doesn't work for my style. A directional line on the heat map in the corner, Wii-golf style, would be a handy feature to have.

Here's my best so far - not gonna win the prize, but it's a fail-free round!

 

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Here's a picture of what I would like to see added - an arrow in the heat map in the top right corner that indicates what direction you are currently aiming.

 

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6 makes!!!!! Nice! Bonus points for those!

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6 hours ago, gavinski91 said:

The hint is definitely the key - one of my issues with the system is that the greens are really hard to read on the screen. It might work for some, but doesn't work for my style. A directional line on the heat map in the corner, Wii-golf style, would be a handy feature to have.

Here's my best so far - not gonna win the prize, but it's a fail-free round!

 

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Here's a picture of what I would like to see added - an arrow in the heat map in the top right corner that indicates what direction you are currently aiming.

 

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Have you tried the “H” help yet? Getting the “kneeling” view? That really helps me see it more like I’m on a real green.

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Here's my best so far - not gonna win the prize, but it's a fail-free round!


Nice! Keep trying, there are still more days to go to beat my score. I’m not stopping!
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1 hour ago, PMookie said:

Have you tried the “H” help yet? Getting the “kneeling” view? That really helps me see it more like I’m on a real green.

I've got to try that for sure.  

You guys are killing it with these scores.  

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13 hours ago, cnosil said:

Ill throw up an early number for everyone to chase:

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WOW!!

I haven't even started yet but looking at that I think I'm just gonna have to concede to the ExPutt Master 🦸🦹

Nice!

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8 hours ago, gavinski91 said:

.. directional line on the heat map ..

I was imagining / hoping there'd be a faint line drawn on the green itself .. .. like you see illustrated sometimes on Golf Channel; or this high end ($$$$$) putting simulator I've seen on a Cameron McCormick video that creates breaks and projects a line showing you the optimal path.

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..PXG 0211 6i-GW (Mitsubishi MMT) 
..Cleveland CBX2 54 (Rotex graphite) and Callaway X-Jaws 60 (TT-DG S300)
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I was imagining / hoping there'd be a faint line drawn on the green itself .. .. like you see illustrated sometimes on Golf Channel; or this high end ($$$$$) putting simulator I've seen on a Cameron McCormick video that creates breaks and projects a line showing you the optimal path.

Several have talked to Mo about this and they went away from using that to what the current hint functionality provides. Obviously, we have opinions on what should be provided, but readers should come back for the weekly roundup to see what we thing about the provided functionality.
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On 7/13/2020 at 10:04 PM, Wedgie said:

I’m most interested to see if you can adapt the feeling of putting on this and take it to the course. I spent a winter practicing 9 footers because that is what I had room for. When I finally got to the course everything went 9 feet.


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Agreed! I'm curious about speed/distance control.

I spent the winter putting in my basement and that green speed was super fast. Going out to start the season, I was leaving everything wwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy short. I've finally adjusted, but am trying to find the best way to practice putting in the winter and not have to take another month to adjust to true green speeds.

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Agreed! I'm curious about speed/distance control.
I spent the winter putting in my basement and that green speed was super fast. Going out to start the season, I was leaving everything wwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy short. I've finally adjusted, but am trying to find the best way to practice putting in the winter and not have to take another month to adjust to true green speeds.

From what I know now, I would take a look at what I write about practice mode. This mode lets
you pick green speed and roll straight putts up to 50 feet.

What I am finding is that it helps build the feel for how big/long a stroke is needed for each distance. While still a work in progress I am finding that I
Am getting better speed control for those longer distance putts when moving to the actual course.

Right now I see the practice mode as my primary use with this product. Still learning the “challenge” mode; which is what the testers are looking at currently, so that may change as we move forward.
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6 minutes ago, cnosil said:


From what I know now, I would take a look at what I write about practice mode. This mode lets
you pick green speed and roll straight putts up to 50 feet.

What I am finding is that it helps build the feel for how big/long a stroke is needed for each distance. While still a work in progress I am finding that I
Am getting better speed control for those longer distance putts when moving to the actual course.

Right now I see the practice mode as my primary use with this product. Still learning the “challenge” mode; which is what the testers are looking at currently, so that may change as we move forward.

Makes sense. Thanks for the initial thoughts. Looking forward to hearing more about it.

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2 hours ago, cksurfdude said:

WOW!!

I haven't even started yet but looking at that I think I'm just gonna have to concede to the ExPutt Master 🦸🦹

Nice!

What? “Master”? I’m only 6 points behind... Awe, “You done it now!”

”What am I, chopped liver?!”

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2 hours ago, cksurfdude said:

I was imagining / hoping there'd be a faint line drawn on the green itself .. .. like you see illustrated sometimes on Golf Channel; or this high end ($$$$$) putting simulator I've seen on a Cameron McCormick video that creates breaks and projects a line showing you the optimal path.

From what I heard, the reason they didn’t include this is twofold: 

1. It makes it like a video game

2. Why give the line when there isn’t a line on a course?

The basic reason for Exputt is to help improve on-course performance. If they give the user the line, there really isn’t any skill development, and then it’s just back to rolling “straight putts” in essence. I understand how when we see on tv the “total possible” break accounted for that allows for more or less speed along the line, but with Exputt there is still some need for the user to establish the line properly, not just be given it. In that sense, it would be more like a video game, not a “simulator”....

 

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2 hours ago, cnosil said:


Several have talked to Mo about this and they went away from using that to what the current hint functionality provides. Obviously, we have opinions on what should be provided, but readers should come back for the weekly roundup to see what we thing about the provided functionality.

Maybe they can make it an optional function that can be toggled on and off depending on user preference...

 

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1 hour ago, cnosil said:

While still a work in progress I am finding that I
Am getting better speed control for those longer distance putts when moving to the actual course.

This is really important and answers a question I was going to ask - whether the simulated lag putt is accurate with on course performance.

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2 hours ago, cksurfdude said:

WOW!!

I haven't even started yet but looking at that I think I'm just gonna have to concede to the ExPutt Master 🦸🦹

Nice!

Is it just me or does that lamp take on the look of a shiny, gold trophy? 😆

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This is really important and answers a question I was going to ask - whether the simulated lag putt is accurate with on course performance.

If you really think about it,
Green speed is simply how far a ball rolls when it comes off a stomp meter. The ball speed off the stimp meter is a constant value; or should be. As a result, the camera measured ball speed can be plugged into a formula to calculate distance.

After reading HA Templeton’s book "Vector Putting: The Art and Science of Reading Greens and Computing Break" I know there are formulas that can be used to calculate break for a given green speed. This is also part of the concept of aimpoint and the putt vision we see on golf broadcasts..given ball speed, green speed, slope, and gravity you can predict curve and distance. Once the ball gets to the hole, there are also formulas to calculate capture speeds.

As for on course evaluation I have been stepping off distances and trying to apply stroke lengths I am learning on ExPutt. So far it seems to be helping distance wise. Next comes adjustments based on slope. That skill building comes in the portion of the application we are working on now.
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19 hours ago, PMookie said:

Here we go with info about aiming and using the remote.

 

I need this on the actual golf course. I don't think I would've ever aimed 8' to the right with a 20-something degree angle to the cup, that's crazy and it's no wonder I suck!

12 minutes ago, gavinski91 said:

Gavinski91's EXPUTT Review Introduction

Well I’m a full week behind the rest of the testers due to a vacation I had already planned with my wife, but I think getting away from the busyness of work and life and spending some time surfing and laying on the beach was the refresh I needed to attack this test with gusto!

Since I’m new to the forums I’ll take some time here to introduce myself! My name is Gavin, and I’m from the far northwest of Washington State (literally right on the border). And although I do ski, the nickname predates that! I definitely don’t have the same amount of experience that some of the other testers have (looking at their intros, some of them have been golfing regularly for longer than I’ve been alive!) but I think I have a background that might resonate with quite a few forum members.

I first swung a golf club in the late 90s, when my dad had the local golf shop cut down his old wood-headed driver and an old putter to a length that worked for an undersized 8-year-old and took me to the local driving range and mini-golf course. However, it wasn’t until 2016, when I had finished my undergrad and graduate degrees and had a full-time job, that I started getting serious about golf. Between those times my sports focus was mainly on baseball and ice hockey, which allowed me to develop swing mechanics and strength that, although perhaps not entirely traditional, translated well to golf.

I could go into detail about my handicap (20.7), swing tempo (high), etc., but to be completely honest I don’t think that information is relevant to a putting test. If we go back to my hockey roots, hitting a driver off the tee or an iron on an approach shot is like a slapshot or wrist shot in a game situation. Putting, however, is more like the fan during the intermission trying to score from center ice into a small slot in a barrier at the goal to win a new car – the mechanics are different, and strength and form don’t matter. The only relevant thing is being able to get the shot on the correct line with sufficient power.

When it comes to putting, my biggest strength has always been being able to read the correct line. My process is usually crouching back behind the ball and imagining the full path that the ball will need to take, starting at the cup and working back to where my ball is. This allows me to determine my starting line, and if I can hit that line I can be pretty confident about having a really good chance of holing the putt. The issue for me has always been consistently hitting the starting line for my putt path of choice and having the proper speed on the putt, which for me has been 90% about feel and maybe 10% about stroke/backswing length. I typically average 3.5 three-putts per round (median of 3), and over my last 5 rounds my putts/GIR is a half stroke worse than my putts/hole, so obviously lag putting is a weakness. This is where I think the EXPUTT has the biggest opportunity to help me improve.

Other testers have already gone into detail about the packaging and unboxing, so I’ll skip that. I will say that the branding is excellent, with a few smaller touches that are really nice, like having the camera and the shock absorber share some visual elements.

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Disappointingly, some of the components right out of the box looked and felt cheap. The power adapter in particular looked like it was sourced from the cheapest provider available on AliBaba – the USB port was crooked, the entire unit was bulky and made of low-quality plastic, and nothing about it suggested that it belonged in the same box as a $400 putting simulator.

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While the manufacturing and QC on the actual unit was significantly better than the power adapter, both the camera unit and the remote felt too light to be a high-quality piece of technology. While I’m aware that consumers wrongly equate heft with quality, and that many electronics manufacturers add internal metal weights to their products (such as headphones) to give the illusion of quality, it’s hard to get past the perception that a product that is very light must be made of thin, low-quality plastics. For comparison, the remote control from my Samsung soundbar weighs twice as much as the remote from the EXPUTT, even though they are the same size and utilize the same battery. 

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Setup of the entire system was very easy for me, although for someone with less tech savvy it may be slightly more difficult, as you may have to navigate your TVs display settings to ensure that the entire display is visible on your screen. The time from when I cut the seal on the box with my pocketknife to my first putt in practice mode was 10 minutes. The menus are all straightforward and easy to navigate, although there are a few features which are named in a way that doesn’t make their purpose obvious. In order to replicate the experience of what I would imagine is most users, I plan to not look at the user manual until the very end of the test.

I’ll leave the more in-depth software critique to @cnosil who is experienced in software testing. I will say that the menus are all straightforward and easy to navigate, although there are a few features which are named in a way that doesn’t make their purpose obvious. The main menu definitely gives the unit a dated feel – it looks like something I would’ve expected 10 years ago. The in-game practice mode screen looks much more modern though, and does a good job of including lots of information without being too intrusive in my opinion.

I’ve only had a few hours with the unit so far, but I will share a major revelation that I had in my first 30 minutes with it: if you can get your putter face to square up to your target line, it doesn’t matter what path the putter head takes to get there. In the below picture you can see that I took an exaggerated out-to-in path with my club, and tried my best to keep the face square. I managed to sink a 10-foot putt with an 11.5° out-to-in club path, and the resulting numbers show that the direction that your putt travels is 95% determined by the face angle at impact, and only 5% by the club path. As a result, I will be focusing my practice moving forward on squaring up the club face, and not worrying about club path – my early practice has shown me that as long as your face angle is less than 0.5° in either direction from the target line, you’ll sink every putt from 10 feet and in.

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There will be lots more to come over the next few weeks of testing, so let me know what else you would like to hear from me!
 

Welcome back! Hope you had a nice vacation, now... BACK TO WORK, EXPUTT SLAVE!

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Driver: :taylormade-small: SIM Max 10.5 Fujikura Ventus Blue 6S

3w/5w: :callaway-small: XR16 Fujikura Speeder Evo 565 S

4h: :mizuno-small: CLK 22* Hybrid Tensei CK Pro Blue 80HY S

Irons 5-PW: :mizuno-small: JPX 919 Forged Nippon Modus 3 Tour 105 S

Wedges: :cleveland-small: RTX 4 50.10 | 54.10 | 60.09 Nippon Modus 115 Wedge

Putter: :EVNROLL: ER5 BGT Stability Tour

Ball: :bridgestone-small: Tour B XS

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