ncwoz Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 So I did an iron fitting at Club Champion today, fully knowing I would not walk out ordering anything the same day. (And I actually managed it too!) I wanted to throw this up on a thread and see what some of your thoughts are, and maybe convince someone to get fit for themselves as well. I got fit at Club Champion in Grand Rapids, MI, with Jackson. They use Trackman, and had me warm up by hitting a few balls. After I was warmed up, he had me hit a few balls with my current gamer (Ping Eye 2) 6 iron. I was getting smash factor around 1.23, and he said he was trying to get it up around tour average, 1.38. I typically hit my 6i about 170-175 with a ~5yard draw. My usual miss is a toey pull hook that goes way left. I came in with basically no expectations of what would fit me well, nor much of a preference in any particular style or look. I was just hoping to see what kind of a head and shaft combo would work best with my swing. We tried a few shafts until we got to something we liked (started out in a heavier KBS Tour I believe, but we tried a lot so it's hard to remember exactly). After some inconsistent results from a few different shafts, I tried the Nippon 1150GH Taper, X-stiff. This was the first time I had really swung different shafts in close succession, and I was super surprised at how different they felt and performed. Something about the 1150GH just seemed to work better with my swing, and the results were supporting the feel. He gave me +1/4" length and it really clicked. Once we had the shaft narrowed down, we starting going for heads. I was still pretty inefficient in the i200, high spin killing distance and not a great dispersion either. We tried probably 7 or 8, and the three that initially stood out were: Mizuno MP20 HMB, Callaway Apex, and Titleist T200. At some point in there, he wanted to have me try out the P790, but the adapter had sheared earlier in the day. He went back and got it epoxied up, and we dialed in the lie angle while the epoxy set. We went 1* upright, which had me surprised because of my left miss. When I asked, he said that was to get me back hitting the center, because he felt shortening the shaft wasn't going to work for me. Sure enough, that helped me find center more and actually straightened me out more with some increased efficiency. At that point, the T200's seemed to be falling back, and the HMB's felt like they might have been slightly pulling ahead. Each of the 3 were carrying roughly 190. By this time the P790 was ready to go, and from the get-go I absolutely smoked it. Outside of one dead push and one I turned over a bit much, I was hitting them straighter than anything else all day, and 200+ carry. I asked him what each loft was at, and I'm 95% sure he said they had all been bent to 27*. The P790's seemed to stand a head above the rest, and that's where we settled: P790's; 1* upright; Nippon 1150GH X-stiff, +1/4". He totaled it up for me and, including the $100 fitting and $13 per club upgrade for Sonar+ grips, landed at $1,977.19. To be frank, I'm not ready to drop almost $2k on a new iron set. Now that I'm home, it seems like the shaft is a little less common from what I can find. But there's absolutely no denying, I'm leaving a lot of strokes on the course with my current gamers. SO. What say you? Do you think I should bite the bullet and go for the set he recommended? Try to scrounge for components myself? Find another similar composition from someone like Sub70 or Maltby? Anything in the fitting that seems questionable to you? Another note, I haven't seen the Trackman data posted yet. Not sure if that's something they automatically or not, but I shot him a message hoping he can upload them yet. revkev, Manimal26, AGutierrez7 and 4 others 7 Quote Right Handed Driver: 9° Speedzone (HZRDUS Smoke Green 70g X-Stiff shaft) 2 Hybrid: 18° Exotics EXS Pro (Evenflow Black 6.5) (2020 MGS Official Review here) 3/Driving Iron: 18° UiHi Iron (MMT Utility TX 105g shaft) Irons: 4-GW T100 irons (Nippon Modus 120 X-Stiff shafts) (2021 MGS Official Review here) Wedges: 54° & 58° TSW Forged (Dynamic Gold S300) Putter: ER2B (2019 MGS Official Review here) Ball: MAXFLI Tour X Bag: Hoofer Lite WITB thread here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberryShortCake Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 15 minutes ago, ncwoz said: SO. What say you? Do you think I should bite the bullet and go for the set he recommended? Try to scrounge for components myself? Find another similar composition from someone like Sub70 or Maltby? Anything in the fitting that seems questionable to you? Another note, I haven't seen the Trackman data posted yet. Not sure if that's something they automatically or not, but I shot him a message hoping he can upload them yet. 2000$ is a lot of money to spend on irons, I don't know too many guys who have spend 2000 dollars on all their equipment. What was the price on the mizunos? Was it even close in comparison. P790s are not cheap to start with! I guess its up to you and your finances I don't know what you have in the bank and what you have for expenses. Me personally 1400$ maxes out my budget for irons. How serious do you take your golf game? Kansas King, revkev and ncwoz 3 Quote Driver: Rogue Sub Zero 9* stiff Wood: Tight Lies TI 3 wood stiff Hybrid: XR 3 19 deg stiff Irons: JPX 900 Tour std loft/lie Wedges: 52,56,60 Putter: #7 Red Ball: Q-Star 12.9 Handicap Comox Valley, B.C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 If it were me, I would buy the P790s on ebay, reshaft them myself, and then take them in to get bent. ncwoz, fixyurdivot, tony@CIC and 2 others 5 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncwoz Posted July 15, 2020 Author Share Posted July 15, 2020 2 hours ago, StrawberryShortCake said: 2000$ is a lot of money to spend on irons, I don't know too many guys who have spend 2000 dollars on all their equipment. What was the price on the mizunos? Was it even close in comparison. P790s are not cheap to start with! I guess its up to you and your finances I don't know what you have in the bank and what you have for expenses. Me personally 1400$ maxes out my budget for irons. How serious do you take your golf game? Yeah, $2,000 is comfortably over my price range for sure. He didn't quote out the Mizuno's, but they definitely have some margin baked into their pricing. I think the biggest factor is the shafts, since they aren't offered by Taylormade. He said Club Champion basically puts labor of install into the shaft pricing, which came out to ~$60 a shaft. I believe there was some margin baked into grips too, maybe even in the heads as well. I wonder if anyone else has experience with Club Champion pricing being steep, or if it's circumstantial with my set? StrawberryShortCake and Kansas King 2 Quote Right Handed Driver: 9° Speedzone (HZRDUS Smoke Green 70g X-Stiff shaft) 2 Hybrid: 18° Exotics EXS Pro (Evenflow Black 6.5) (2020 MGS Official Review here) 3/Driving Iron: 18° UiHi Iron (MMT Utility TX 105g shaft) Irons: 4-GW T100 irons (Nippon Modus 120 X-Stiff shafts) (2021 MGS Official Review here) Wedges: 54° & 58° TSW Forged (Dynamic Gold S300) Putter: ER2B (2019 MGS Official Review here) Ball: MAXFLI Tour X Bag: Hoofer Lite WITB thread here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMookie Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 14 minutes ago, ncwoz said: Yeah, $2,000 is comfortably over my price range for sure. He didn't quote out the Mizuno's, but they definitely have some margin baked into their pricing. I think the biggest factor is the shafts, since they aren't offered by Taylormade. He said Club Champion basically puts labor of install into the shaft pricing, which came out to ~$60 a shaft. I believe there was some margin baked into grips too, maybe even in the heads as well. I wonder if anyone else has experience with Club Champion pricing being steep, or if it's circumstantial with my set? Yeah, their pricing is steep. I’ve never bought anything through them, I’ve always shopped around since I had the specs I needed. Places like Discount Dan’s will pretty much beat anyone’s price, and it’s always good to reach-out and at least get a quote. Just be specific about shaft, grip, etc. I buy my grips and install them myself. I always ask for the irons built with ANY stock grip, then pull them off, use their tape, and put the grips I want on instead. I would never buy used, then try to then get shafts, grips, etc, and pay for the construction. Buy through a retailer, have the OEM build to spec, and at least you have something with a warranty. Good luck. Just about any set of irons now, unless they’re being discontinued, will be $1200.... If you skimp now, you’ll regret it later, and have spent money that you can’t get back. Buy what fits best, but shop!!! Here’s the website. https://www.discountdansgolf.com Just send an email with the specs, or call. They’ll respond within an hour or so of getting the email. I’ve bought three sets of irons through them. Great guys! Kansas King, fixyurdivot, StrawberryShortCake and 4 others 7 Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctorgriffo Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Did you only hit 6 irons? I had a similar experience with p790s, but it gave me issues with gapping at both ends of my bag. I got so excited by the distance I was hitting a 7 iron, the only one I hit in the fitting at a Golfmart, but the reality on the course with a full set of clubs and a range of distances to dial in didn’t work so I took them back. Will you get a chance to hit all the irons? The stock shaft in the p790 Is limited to one option, so I ended up testing Mizuno v Srixon, which have a ton of shaft and grip options at no upcharge. Quote Callaway Epic Flash SZ 9deg, 15 deg tensei av blue x flex Cobra F9 hybrid 17deg, 24 deg Mizuno MP20 (6,7,8 MMC, 9,PW MB) Callaway MD4 50, 54, 58 Scotty Cameron Select Squareback 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micah T Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 I got fitted for a new Driver shaft(Tensei Pro white 60 TX) for my G410 plus at my local CC on 6/6: still waiting on that shaft as of today...That is not a knock on the fitter: he’s a good dude and was very thorough with my fitting. I can’t wait to post my findings once I have it and have gamed it for 20 rounds, but I placed that order over a month ago...So... if those custom shafts are coming from japan like mine is, you can expect a 60 day wait minimum. So, if you wanna blow 2k on an iron set you might not get til September...Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy ncwoz 1 Quote Driver - Cobra LtDxLS 3 Wood - Ping g410 LST 2iron - Titleist U505 Irons - Ping i59 Wedges - Vokey Sm9 Putter - Mizuno Mcraft IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncwoz Posted July 15, 2020 Author Share Posted July 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, Micah T said: I got fitted for a new Driver shaft(Tensei Pro white 60 TX) for my G410 plus at my local CC on 6/6: still waiting on that shaft as of today... That is not a knock on the fitter: he’s a good dude and was very thorough with my fitting. I can’t wait to post my findings once I have it and have gamed it for 20 rounds, but I placed that order over a month ago... So... if those custom shafts are coming from japan like mine is, you can expect a 60 day wait minimum. So, if you wanna blow 2k on an iron set you might not get til September... Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Man that's frustrating to have to wait that long for an order. I know my fitter mentioned they're way behind too, basically trying to catch up on 3 months worth of orders all jammed into 1, with suppliers working with partial staffs on top of it. Micah T and Flip4000 2 Quote Right Handed Driver: 9° Speedzone (HZRDUS Smoke Green 70g X-Stiff shaft) 2 Hybrid: 18° Exotics EXS Pro (Evenflow Black 6.5) (2020 MGS Official Review here) 3/Driving Iron: 18° UiHi Iron (MMT Utility TX 105g shaft) Irons: 4-GW T100 irons (Nippon Modus 120 X-Stiff shafts) (2021 MGS Official Review here) Wedges: 54° & 58° TSW Forged (Dynamic Gold S300) Putter: ER2B (2019 MGS Official Review here) Ball: MAXFLI Tour X Bag: Hoofer Lite WITB thread here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncwoz Posted July 15, 2020 Author Share Posted July 15, 2020 15 minutes ago, doctorgriffo said: Did you only hit 6 irons? I had a similar experience with p790s, but it gave me issues with gapping at both ends of my bag. I got so excited by the distance I was hitting a 7 iron, the only one I hit in the fitting at a Golfmart, but the reality on the course with a full set of clubs and a range of distances to dial in didn’t work so I took them back. Will you get a chance to hit all the irons? The stock shaft in the p790 Is limited to one option, so I ended up testing Mizuno v Srixon, which have a ton of shaft and grip options at no upcharge. Yeah, only hit 6 irons. That'd be a concern of mine as well, but I do have some room to add in a wedge if needed. It was nice to hit the 6i far, but for me I'm mostly trying to get more consistency out of my next set, and that's where I was most importantly impressed with the P790s Firebird 1 Quote Right Handed Driver: 9° Speedzone (HZRDUS Smoke Green 70g X-Stiff shaft) 2 Hybrid: 18° Exotics EXS Pro (Evenflow Black 6.5) (2020 MGS Official Review here) 3/Driving Iron: 18° UiHi Iron (MMT Utility TX 105g shaft) Irons: 4-GW T100 irons (Nippon Modus 120 X-Stiff shafts) (2021 MGS Official Review here) Wedges: 54° & 58° TSW Forged (Dynamic Gold S300) Putter: ER2B (2019 MGS Official Review here) Ball: MAXFLI Tour X Bag: Hoofer Lite WITB thread here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncwoz Posted July 15, 2020 Author Share Posted July 15, 2020 1 hour ago, PMookie said: Yeah, their pricing is steep. I’ve never bought anything through them, I’ve always shopped around since I had the specs I needed. Places like Discount Dan’s will pretty much beat anyone’s price, and it’s always good to reach-out and at least get a quote. Just be specific about shaft, grip, etc. I buy my grips and install them myself. I always ask for the irons built with ANY stock grip, then pull them off, use their tape, and put the grips I want on instead. I would never buy used, then try to then get shafts, grips, etc, and pay for the construction. Buy through a retailer, have the OEM build to spec, and at least you have something with a warranty. Good luck. Just about any set of irons now, unless they’re being discontinued, will be $1200.... If you skimp now, you’ll regret it later, and have spent money that you can’t get back. Buy what fits best, but shop!!! Here’s the website. https://www.discountdansgolf.com Just send an email with the specs, or call. They’ll respond within an hour or so of getting the email. I’ve bought three sets of irons through them. Great guys! Thanks for passing the name along! That's a new one for me PMookie 1 Quote Right Handed Driver: 9° Speedzone (HZRDUS Smoke Green 70g X-Stiff shaft) 2 Hybrid: 18° Exotics EXS Pro (Evenflow Black 6.5) (2020 MGS Official Review here) 3/Driving Iron: 18° UiHi Iron (MMT Utility TX 105g shaft) Irons: 4-GW T100 irons (Nippon Modus 120 X-Stiff shafts) (2021 MGS Official Review here) Wedges: 54° & 58° TSW Forged (Dynamic Gold S300) Putter: ER2B (2019 MGS Official Review here) Ball: MAXFLI Tour X Bag: Hoofer Lite WITB thread here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vnmslsrbms Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Looks like you got a free 6 iron fitting which is nice of them. A full fitting would be worth it with them if you wanted to make sure you get all your iron distance gapping correct. Although I think with your clubhead speed you can easily get 90% of the improvement just buying say the P790, or a combo set of sorts. Ping Eye 2's are just way behind the times. Those came out more than 40 years ago. While iron's don't change all that much, they have improved massively over 40 years. ncwoz 1 Quote I love blades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micah T Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Man that's frustrating to have to wait that long for an order. I know my fitter mentioned they're way behind too, basically trying to catch up on 3 months worth of orders all jammed into 1, with suppliers working with partial staffs on top of it.Pretty much: I should mention that if you’re shafts are “in stock” at the CC headquarters in Chicago it shouldn’t be that long, but if they’re placing your order with an overseas manufacturer... I’ll just say I’ve gotten pretty good with my 3 wood all of a sudden Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy ncwoz 1 Quote Driver - Cobra LtDxLS 3 Wood - Ping g410 LST 2iron - Titleist U505 Irons - Ping i59 Wedges - Vokey Sm9 Putter - Mizuno Mcraft IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerospace_ray Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 4 hours ago, ncwoz said: So I did an iron fitting at Club Champion today, fully knowing I would not walk out ordering anything the same day. (And I actually managed it too!) I wanted to throw this up on a thread and see what some of your thoughts are, and maybe convince someone to get fit for themselves as well. I got fit at Club Champion in Grand Rapids, MI, with Jackson. They use Trackman, and had me warm up by hitting a few balls. After I was warmed up, he had me hit a few balls with my current gamer (Ping Eye 2) 6 iron. I was getting smash factor around 1.23, and he said he was trying to get it up around tour average, 1.38. I typically hit my 6i about 170-175 with a ~5yard draw. My usual miss is a toey pull hook that goes way left. I came in with basically no expectations of what would fit me well, nor much of a preference in any particular style or look. I was just hoping to see what kind of a head and shaft combo would work best with my swing. We tried a few shafts until we got to something we liked (started out in a heavier KBS Tour I believe, but we tried a lot so it's hard to remember exactly). After some inconsistent results from a few different shafts, I tried the Nippon 1150GH Taper, X-stiff. This was the first time I had really swung different shafts in close succession, and I was super surprised at how different they felt and performed. Something about the 1150GH just seemed to work better with my swing, and the results were supporting the feel. He gave me +1/4" length and it really clicked. Once we had the shaft narrowed down, we starting going for heads. I was still pretty inefficient in the i200, high spin killing distance and not a great dispersion either. We tried probably 7 or 8, and the three that initially stood out were: Mizuno MP20 HMB, Callaway Apex, and Titleist T200. At some point in there, he wanted to have me try out the P790, but the adapter had sheared earlier in the day. He went back and got it epoxied up, and we dialed in the lie angle while the epoxy set. We went 1* upright, which had me surprised because of my left miss. When I asked, he said that was to get me back hitting the center, because he felt shortening the shaft wasn't going to work for me. Sure enough, that helped me find center more and actually straightened me out more with some increased efficiency. At that point, the T200's seemed to be falling back, and the HMB's felt like they might have been slightly pulling ahead. Each of the 3 were carrying roughly 190. By this time the P790 was ready to go, and from the get-go I absolutely smoked it. Outside of one dead push and one I turned over a bit much, I was hitting them straighter than anything else all day, and 200+ carry. I asked him what each loft was at, and I'm 95% sure he said they had all been bent to 27*. The P790's seemed to stand a head above the rest, and that's where we settled: P790's; 1* upright; Nippon 1150GH X-stiff, +1/4". He totaled it up for me and, including the $100 fitting and $13 per club upgrade for Sonar+ grips, landed at $1,977.19. To be frank, I'm not ready to drop almost $2k on a new iron set. Now that I'm home, it seems like the shaft is a little less common from what I can find. But there's absolutely no denying, I'm leaving a lot of strokes on the course with my current gamers. SO. What say you? Do you think I should bite the bullet and go for the set he recommended? Try to scrounge for components myself? Find another similar composition from someone like Sub70 or Maltby? Anything in the fitting that seems questionable to you? Another note, I haven't seen the Trackman data posted yet. Not sure if that's something they automatically or not, but I shot him a message hoping he can upload them yet. Thank you for the excellent details of your fitting experience. I think you should get things in place to purchase a fitted, well made set of P790's. But if it were me and I could test another DTC brand/like model club head with same shaft/fitted to specs then that would be awesome. Might be key discriminator in deciding whether to go all in on an well made, yet expensive set.... Regarding Sub70 and several other like DTC brands and components my only concern would be could I test first? And would the test clubs be close enough to what you were fitted for at CC? Would that test club have like shaft/grip/specs? I very much like the Sub70 and they have great reviews and golfers give high praise to their customer service but at the end of the day, your clubs have to fit and feel right to you. Question. Did you get to hit other P790 clubs or just the fitting club/#6 iron? ncwoz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thin2win Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 28 minutes ago, aerospace_ray said: Regarding Sub70 and several other like DTC brands and components my only concern would be could I test first? And would the test clubs be close enough to what you were fitted for at CC? Would that test club have like shaft/grip/specs? I think it would be worth your time to check out the Sub70 699s or 699 Pros. Sub 70 does a test option, $120s they send you a 6 and a 9 iron for you to test. When you return them, they refund $100. Also, just FYI from the Sub70 pre-owned list : 699 5-PW Nippon N.S. Pro 1050 GH Stiff Std Lamkin Players Cord Std Grip Very Good $349 $349 is a lot better than $1950 Micah T, GregGarner, aerospace_ray and 3 others 6 Quote WITB: Driver: SIM2 Max 12° - Accra TZ6 M4 FW Wood: Gen5 0311 7w Fujikura Motore X F3 Irons: ZX7 PW-7i, ZX5 6i-5i Wedges: Zipcore 50°, 58° Putter: MySpider X Cart: Onewheel XR+ Ball: Z-Star Diamond/ Z-Star XV 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mchiller Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 5 hours ago, ncwoz said: So I did an iron fitting at Club Champion today, fully knowing I would not walk out ordering anything the same day. (And I actually managed it too!) I wanted to throw this up on a thread and see what some of your thoughts are, and maybe convince someone to get fit for themselves as well. I got fit at Club Champion in Grand Rapids, MI, with Jackson. They use Trackman, and had me warm up by hitting a few balls. After I was warmed up, he had me hit a few balls with my current gamer (Ping Eye 2) 6 iron. I was getting smash factor around 1.23, and he said he was trying to get it up around tour average, 1.38. I typically hit my 6i about 170-175 with a ~5yard draw. My usual miss is a toey pull hook that goes way left. I came in with basically no expectations of what would fit me well, nor much of a preference in any particular style or look. I was just hoping to see what kind of a head and shaft combo would work best with my swing. We tried a few shafts until we got to something we liked (started out in a heavier KBS Tour I believe, but we tried a lot so it's hard to remember exactly). After some inconsistent results from a few different shafts, I tried the Nippon 1150GH Taper, X-stiff. This was the first time I had really swung different shafts in close succession, and I was super surprised at how different they felt and performed. Something about the 1150GH just seemed to work better with my swing, and the results were supporting the feel. He gave me +1/4" length and it really clicked. Once we had the shaft narrowed down, we starting going for heads. I was still pretty inefficient in the i200, high spin killing distance and not a great dispersion either. We tried probably 7 or 8, and the three that initially stood out were: Mizuno MP20 HMB, Callaway Apex, and Titleist T200. At some point in there, he wanted to have me try out the P790, but the adapter had sheared earlier in the day. He went back and got it epoxied up, and we dialed in the lie angle while the epoxy set. We went 1* upright, which had me surprised because of my left miss. When I asked, he said that was to get me back hitting the center, because he felt shortening the shaft wasn't going to work for me. Sure enough, that helped me find center more and actually straightened me out more with some increased efficiency. At that point, the T200's seemed to be falling back, and the HMB's felt like they might have been slightly pulling ahead. Each of the 3 were carrying roughly 190. By this time the P790 was ready to go, and from the get-go I absolutely smoked it. Outside of one dead push and one I turned over a bit much, I was hitting them straighter than anything else all day, and 200+ carry. I asked him what each loft was at, and I'm 95% sure he said they had all been bent to 27*. The P790's seemed to stand a head above the rest, and that's where we settled: P790's; 1* upright; Nippon 1150GH X-stiff, +1/4". He totaled it up for me and, including the $100 fitting and $13 per club upgrade for Sonar+ grips, landed at $1,977.19. To be frank, I'm not ready to drop almost $2k on a new iron set. Now that I'm home, it seems like the shaft is a little less common from what I can find. But there's absolutely no denying, I'm leaving a lot of strokes on the course with my current gamers. SO. What say you? Do you think I should bite the bullet and go for the set he recommended? Try to scrounge for components myself? Find another similar composition from someone like Sub70 or Maltby? Anything in the fitting that seems questionable to you? Another note, I haven't seen the Trackman data posted yet. Not sure if that's something they automatically or not, but I shot him a message hoping he can upload them yet. Fairly certain those shafts come at no upcharge from Mizuno. I was fitted for irons at Club Champion this spring and paid $875 for the Mizuno JPX 919 Forged (4 - PW). They were discounted since they are releasing the new JPX models later this summer/fall. You can go onto Mizuno's website and see the different shaft options. HMBs, would probably be closer to $1,300. If you're hitting those P790s that far, you might be able to save a bit by not getting the 4 iron or even the 5 iron. I had a great fitting experience at CC, but I never received my Trackman data which was a bit frustrating. bonvivantva and ncwoz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvo90 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 8 hours ago, dlow206 said: If it were me, I would buy the P790s on ebay, reshaft them myself, and then take them in to get bent. Same here. I heard Club Champion likes to put some ''extra sauce'' on the price tag. ncwoz 1 Quote G425 MAX, 10,5°, Fujikura Ventus Blue 60S Stealth Plus 10,5°, Fujikura Pro 2.0 TS, 60S The Original One Mini Driver, 13,5°, Fujikura Ventus Red 70S G425 MAX 5 wood, 7 wood, Tensei AV Orange 75R Z U65 4, Z565 5-6, Z765 7-8 , Z965 9-PW, Project X 5.5, Glide 4.0, 52°, Z-115, 58°, Z-115 ER5, 34'', Gravity Grip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvo90 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 3 hours ago, Thin2win said: I think it would be worth your time to check out the Sub70 699s or 699 Pros. Sub 70 does a test option, $120s they send you a 6 and a 9 iron for you to test. When you return them, they refund $100. Also, just FYI from the Sub70 pre-owned list : 699 5-PW Nippon N.S. Pro 1050 GH Stiff Std Lamkin Players Cord Std Grip Very Good $349 $349 is a lot better than $1950 The price is way better but I think it is fair to say Nippon N.S. Pro 1050 GH and 1150GH shafts are noticably different, hence they may not produce the same result. ncwoz 1 Quote G425 MAX, 10,5°, Fujikura Ventus Blue 60S Stealth Plus 10,5°, Fujikura Pro 2.0 TS, 60S The Original One Mini Driver, 13,5°, Fujikura Ventus Red 70S G425 MAX 5 wood, 7 wood, Tensei AV Orange 75R Z U65 4, Z565 5-6, Z765 7-8 , Z965 9-PW, Project X 5.5, Glide 4.0, 52°, Z-115, 58°, Z-115 ER5, 34'', Gravity Grip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncwoz Posted July 15, 2020 Author Share Posted July 15, 2020 5 hours ago, aerospace_ray said: Thank you for the excellent details of your fitting experience. I think you should get things in place to purchase a fitted, well made set of P790's. But if it were me and I could test another DTC brand/like model club head with same shaft/fitted to specs then that would be awesome. Might be key discriminator in deciding whether to go all in on an well made, yet expensive set.... Regarding Sub70 and several other like DTC brands and components my only concern would be could I test first? And would the test clubs be close enough to what you were fitted for at CC? Would that test club have like shaft/grip/specs? I very much like the Sub70 and they have great reviews and golfers give high praise to their customer service but at the end of the day, your clubs have to fit and feel right to you. Question. Did you get to hit other P790 clubs or just the fitting club/#6 iron? I totally agree, it's been really the only thing holding me back from nabbing something DTC. And just the fitting club. I didn't really think to ask otherwise, but I got the impression that's all they had to seeing with. aerospace_ray 1 Quote Right Handed Driver: 9° Speedzone (HZRDUS Smoke Green 70g X-Stiff shaft) 2 Hybrid: 18° Exotics EXS Pro (Evenflow Black 6.5) (2020 MGS Official Review here) 3/Driving Iron: 18° UiHi Iron (MMT Utility TX 105g shaft) Irons: 4-GW T100 irons (Nippon Modus 120 X-Stiff shafts) (2021 MGS Official Review here) Wedges: 54° & 58° TSW Forged (Dynamic Gold S300) Putter: ER2B (2019 MGS Official Review here) Ball: MAXFLI Tour X Bag: Hoofer Lite WITB thread here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncwoz Posted July 15, 2020 Author Share Posted July 15, 2020 5 hours ago, Thin2win said: I think it would be worth your time to check out the Sub70 699s or 699 Pros. Sub 70 does a test option, $120s they send you a 6 and a 9 iron for you to test. When you return them, they refund $100. Also, just FYI from the Sub70 pre-owned list : 699 5-PW Nippon N.S. Pro 1050 GH Stiff Std Lamkin Players Cord Std Grip Very Good $349 $349 is a lot better than $1950 Haha almost the first thing I did when I got home was check Sub70's pre-owned, and almost jumped on those immediately! Only thing is they're stiff instead of X-stiff, and one weight jump down, otherwise they might be on their way to my place as we speak lol. Thin2win 1 Quote Right Handed Driver: 9° Speedzone (HZRDUS Smoke Green 70g X-Stiff shaft) 2 Hybrid: 18° Exotics EXS Pro (Evenflow Black 6.5) (2020 MGS Official Review here) 3/Driving Iron: 18° UiHi Iron (MMT Utility TX 105g shaft) Irons: 4-GW T100 irons (Nippon Modus 120 X-Stiff shafts) (2021 MGS Official Review here) Wedges: 54° & 58° TSW Forged (Dynamic Gold S300) Putter: ER2B (2019 MGS Official Review here) Ball: MAXFLI Tour X Bag: Hoofer Lite WITB thread here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncwoz Posted July 15, 2020 Author Share Posted July 15, 2020 4 hours ago, mchiller said: Fairly certain those shafts come at no upcharge from Mizuno. I was fitted for irons at Club Champion this spring and paid $875 for the Mizuno JPX 919 Forged (4 - PW). They were discounted since they are releasing the new JPX models later this summer/fall. You can go onto Mizuno's website and see the different shaft options. HMBs, would probably be closer to $1,300. If you're hitting those P790s that far, you might be able to save a bit by not getting the 4 iron or even the 5 iron. I had a great fitting experience at CC, but I never received my Trackman data which was a bit frustrating. That's a really good point, and I was hitting the Mizuno's really well so I'm definitely not opposed. And I totally agree, it seems like it would be common sense to throw the Trackman data up there. I can't imagine it's all that much more work on their end. Quote Right Handed Driver: 9° Speedzone (HZRDUS Smoke Green 70g X-Stiff shaft) 2 Hybrid: 18° Exotics EXS Pro (Evenflow Black 6.5) (2020 MGS Official Review here) 3/Driving Iron: 18° UiHi Iron (MMT Utility TX 105g shaft) Irons: 4-GW T100 irons (Nippon Modus 120 X-Stiff shafts) (2021 MGS Official Review here) Wedges: 54° & 58° TSW Forged (Dynamic Gold S300) Putter: ER2B (2019 MGS Official Review here) Ball: MAXFLI Tour X Bag: Hoofer Lite WITB thread here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edingc Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 After some back and forth, I never ended up with my TM data from my last fitting either (not Club Champion). He tried, but something didn't get associated with my account correctly. I'll echo @PMookie's advice for you to reach out to Discount Dan's. If that shaft is an option in the P790s, they will have the best price for the set. You certainly could try to do something with Sub70 or Maltby (probably the TS-1s - specs seem to be the closest), but you do take the risk of them not working the same for you. Of course, with Golfworks you could have them build a single 6 iron as a tester, but then you're out ~$100 just to test a single iron. Having them built by them isn't going to be the cheap route, either. As @dlow206 mentions, you could go the DIY route as the shafts are not particularly expensive. But then you're going to need some space and a basic set of tools. Sounds like you had a good fitting and definitely have a lot to consider. I wouldn't pay the Club Champion price, if it were up to me. But if those 1150s are not available as an option, DIY or CC might be your only way. ncwoz 1 Quote Unofficial WHS Handicap: 7.5 / Anti-Cap: 13.0 (Last Updated Feb. 19, 2024) Driver: Callaway Paradym TD (10.5°, -1/N), 45.75", Fujikura Motore X F1 6X | Fitting Post 3 Wood: Cobra RadSpeed Big Tour (14.5°), 43", Fujikura Motore X F1 7X 20° Hybrid: PXG 0211 (2020 Model), 40.25", Mitsubishi Tensei AV RAW White 90X 4 Utility: Cobra KING Utility (2020 Model), 38.5", Aerotech SteelFiber i110cw Stiff 5-PW: Ben Hogan PTx Pro, 37" 7 Iron, Aerotech SteelFiber i125cw Stiff | Club Champion Fitting 50°, 54°, 58°: Edel SMS, V Grind, Nippon Modus 125 Wedge| Official Review Thread Putter: L.A.B. Golf DF 2.1, 36", 68°, Black with Custom Sightlines, BGT Stability Tour, L.A.B. Press II 3° | Unofficial Review Grips: Star Sidewinder, Undersized with Custom Tape Build-Up Ball: Snell MTB-X Optic Yellow Tracked By: Shot Scope H4 Bag: Personalized 2020 Sun Mountain Sync Riding On: Bag Boy Nitron | Official Review Thread WITB? | 2022 Reviewer Edel SMS Wedges | 2021 Reviewer Maxfli Tour and Tour X Balls | 2020 Participant #CobraConnect Challenge | 2019 Reviewer Callaway Epic Flash Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Looking at TM site those shafts aren’t offered so you are paying for the aftermarket price. The p790s are $1200ish for 4-p if everything is stock. Plus you pay the build price for CC services. As been mentioned you could get the specs from CC for your lie and length and source everything yourself and build or have built but depending on the route you go you may only end up saving a couple hundred doing it that way of everything is new. ncwoz 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncwoz Posted July 15, 2020 Author Share Posted July 15, 2020 14 minutes ago, edingc said: After some back and forth, I never ended up with my TM data from my last fitting either (not Club Champion). He tried, but something didn't get associated with my account correctly. I'll echo @PMookie's advice for you to reach out to Discount Dan's. If that shaft is an option in the P790s, they will have the best price for the set. You certainly could try to do something with Sub70 or Maltby (probably the TS-1s - specs seem to be the closest), but you do take the risk of them not working the same for you. Of course, with Golfworks you could have them build a single 6 iron as a tester, but then you're out ~$100 just to test a single iron. Having them built by them isn't going to be the cheap route, either. As @dlow206 mentions, you could go the DIY route as the shafts are not particularly expensive. But then you're going to need some space and a basic set of tools. Sounds like you had a good fitting and definitely have a lot to consider. I wouldn't pay the Club Champion price, if it were up to me. But if those 1150s are not available as an option, DIY or CC might be your only way. I was really hoping I'd get fit into a super common shaft and wouldn't need to worry about tracking something down haha. Right now I'm definitely leaning towards the Sub70 or Maltby route (which I kind of was from the get-go anyway) and building/getting something built as close as I can to the set I was fit to. The only thing I know for sure is I'm not going through CC with how much they've marked it up. edingc and daviddvm 2 Quote Right Handed Driver: 9° Speedzone (HZRDUS Smoke Green 70g X-Stiff shaft) 2 Hybrid: 18° Exotics EXS Pro (Evenflow Black 6.5) (2020 MGS Official Review here) 3/Driving Iron: 18° UiHi Iron (MMT Utility TX 105g shaft) Irons: 4-GW T100 irons (Nippon Modus 120 X-Stiff shafts) (2021 MGS Official Review here) Wedges: 54° & 58° TSW Forged (Dynamic Gold S300) Putter: ER2B (2019 MGS Official Review here) Ball: MAXFLI Tour X Bag: Hoofer Lite WITB thread here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 I was really hoping I'd get fit into a super common shaft and wouldn't need to worry about tracking something down haha. Right now I'm definitely leaning towards the Sub70 or Maltby route (which I kind of was from the get-go anyway) and building/getting something built as close as I can to the set I was fit to. The only thing I know for sure is I'm not going through CC with how much they've marked it up. Were any other shafts close in comparison to the recommended shaft. You could also reach out to CC to see what a more common alternative might be. ncwoz and HardcoreLooper 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncwoz Posted July 15, 2020 Author Share Posted July 15, 2020 1 hour ago, cnosil said: Were any other shafts close in comparison to the recommended shaft. You could also reach out to CC to see what a more common alternative might be. That's a great question. He mentioned one during the fit he thought could be an alternative, but I'll have to check back with him to see what it was. Quote Right Handed Driver: 9° Speedzone (HZRDUS Smoke Green 70g X-Stiff shaft) 2 Hybrid: 18° Exotics EXS Pro (Evenflow Black 6.5) (2020 MGS Official Review here) 3/Driving Iron: 18° UiHi Iron (MMT Utility TX 105g shaft) Irons: 4-GW T100 irons (Nippon Modus 120 X-Stiff shafts) (2021 MGS Official Review here) Wedges: 54° & 58° TSW Forged (Dynamic Gold S300) Putter: ER2B (2019 MGS Official Review here) Ball: MAXFLI Tour X Bag: Hoofer Lite WITB thread here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAC Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 P790s were introduced in August of 2019. https://golf.com/gear/irons/first-look-taylormade-p790-p790ti-p790udi-irons/ When is TaylorMade coming out with a replacement. If in August, these irons could be on sale soon. ncwoz 1 Quote Sim 2 Driver Fujikura Ventus Blue 6R shaft Sim 2 5 wood Fujikura Ventus Blue 5R shaft 0311 Gen 5 Seven Wood Project X Cypher 50 5.5 shaft. H818 Hybrid 25 degrees Tensei ck Series 60 HY regular flex shafts at C4 setting (flat for lefties) 0311 Gen 6 Hybrids 3-28 and 31 degrees. 718 AP1 irons 6-gap Tensei ck Series AMC IR regular flex bent two degrees flat SM 7 Wedge 58 degrees M grind with 8 bounce Steel shafts wedge flex bent 2 degrees flat Glide 3 52.12 and 56.14 with Alta CB Red Regular Flex shaft bent 2 degrees flat LAB DF3 putter - 33 inches long, 71 degree lie angle, Accra shaft Bridgestone B X or Titleist Pro V-1x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAC Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Another thought. Did you try the P790s with stock shafts? How much different were they than the ones with upgraded shafts? Could you get the P790s with stock shafts now and upgrade the shafts later - divide your purchase into two - maybe a birthday present and a Christmas present. ncwoz 1 Quote Sim 2 Driver Fujikura Ventus Blue 6R shaft Sim 2 5 wood Fujikura Ventus Blue 5R shaft 0311 Gen 5 Seven Wood Project X Cypher 50 5.5 shaft. H818 Hybrid 25 degrees Tensei ck Series 60 HY regular flex shafts at C4 setting (flat for lefties) 0311 Gen 6 Hybrids 3-28 and 31 degrees. 718 AP1 irons 6-gap Tensei ck Series AMC IR regular flex bent two degrees flat SM 7 Wedge 58 degrees M grind with 8 bounce Steel shafts wedge flex bent 2 degrees flat Glide 3 52.12 and 56.14 with Alta CB Red Regular Flex shaft bent 2 degrees flat LAB DF3 putter - 33 inches long, 71 degree lie angle, Accra shaft Bridgestone B X or Titleist Pro V-1x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickyBobby_PR Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 24 minutes ago, HAC said: P790s were introduced in August of 2019. https://golf.com/gear/irons/first-look-taylormade-p790-p790ti-p790udi-irons/ When is TaylorMade coming out with a replacement. If in August, these irons could be on sale soon. TaylorMade has been on 2 year cycles with their p series irons. The original p790 came out in 2017 so the next iteration won’t be til next year. ncwoz 1 Quote Driver: PXG 0811 X+ Proto w/UST Helium 5F4 Wood: TaylorMade M5 5W w/Accra TZ5 +1/2”, TaylorMade Sim 3W w/Aldila rogue white Hybrid: PXG Gen2 22* w/AD hybrid Irons: PXG Gen3 0311T w/Nippon modus 120 Wedges: TaylorMade MG2 50*, Tiger grind 56/60 Putter: Scotty Caemeron Super Rat1 Ball: Titleist Prov1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncwoz Posted July 16, 2020 Author Share Posted July 16, 2020 3 hours ago, HAC said: Another thought. Did you try the P790s with stock shafts? How much different were they than the ones with upgraded shafts? Could you get the P790s with stock shafts now and upgrade the shafts later - divide your purchase into two - maybe a birthday present and a Christmas present. Certainly a good thought, but Club Champion just goes through all the shafts they have in whatever order makes sense in the fitting as I understand it. And I don't even remember exactly which shafts we tried unfortunately. Quote Right Handed Driver: 9° Speedzone (HZRDUS Smoke Green 70g X-Stiff shaft) 2 Hybrid: 18° Exotics EXS Pro (Evenflow Black 6.5) (2020 MGS Official Review here) 3/Driving Iron: 18° UiHi Iron (MMT Utility TX 105g shaft) Irons: 4-GW T100 irons (Nippon Modus 120 X-Stiff shafts) (2021 MGS Official Review here) Wedges: 54° & 58° TSW Forged (Dynamic Gold S300) Putter: ER2B (2019 MGS Official Review here) Ball: MAXFLI Tour X Bag: Hoofer Lite WITB thread here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keveng Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 On 7/15/2020 at 10:23 PM, ncwoz said: Certainly a good thought, but Club Champion just goes through all the shafts they have in whatever order makes sense in the fitting as I understand it. And I don't even remember exactly which shafts we tried unfortunately. I did an iron fitting with Jackson at CC in January. Didn’t have me try a standard shaft either. I went to a local shop (MH) when they had Callaway in for demo day and they fit me in a no up charge shaft (they had the CC suggestion for comparison even). Paid $850 vs $1500 with identical numbers. They do a good job, but they are fans of the shaft up charge and my budget doesn’t support that. Good luck with the search ncwoz 1 Quote PXG gen2X, 10.5, Adila NV nxt 65s Tour Edge CBX 3t 16.5, HZDUS Yellow 6.0S 3&4 hybrid Cobra AmpCell S shaft 5-PW Callaway Mavrik Pro, Project X LZ 105 6.0 GW&SW Cobra AmpCell TT Dynalite 90 S 60 Bettinardi forged, TT Gold S200 Srixon ZStar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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