zrumble Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 So I had a bit of breeze behind me, 10-15mph sustained, but this smash factor seems way to high. 102mph clubhead speed with a 162mph ball speed just doesn’t add up. Unless you think I smashed it with a factor of 1.59!!! note: Visually it did carry to the back of the range so the 281yd number makes sense. Micah T 1 Quote Stats: 5'4", Male, R-Handed, Moderate Tempo, Driver SS 115mph Driver: Taylormade SiM Max 9*, TM Ventus Blue 6X 3w/5w: Callaway X-Hot, S-flex Fubuki shafts 3h: Tour Edge EXS Pro, Smoke Black 80g 6.0 4i-PW: Mizuno MP-4, DG S300 Wedges: Titleist SM7 56* Wedge: Callaway Jaws w/ 12* of bounce Link to comment
Micah T Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Depending on the brand of club, smash factor can change, but 1.59 seems impossible. TM drivers can show 1.51, and Ping top out around 1.48 from what I saw at my recent driver fitting. I’m assuming you find your mini radar accurate? I have a Sc200 swing caddie and I find the indoor distances to be off by 10 yards of carry. That being said, do you hit the center of the face each time? I swing 118 according to trackman; according to my swing caddie it was 109-110. Maybe the swing mph are off, and that really is your ball speed? My ball speed is usually 167-169, but I hit it all over the face and my smash is usually 1.45... Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Quote Driver - Cobra LtDxLS 3 Wood - Ping g410 LST 2iron - Titleist U505 Irons - Ping i59 Wedges - Vokey Sm9 Putter - Mizuno Mcraft IV Link to comment
THEZIPR23 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 19 hours ago, zrumble said: So I had a bit of breeze behind me, 10-15mph sustained, but this smash factor seems way to high. 102mph clubhead speed with a 162mph ball speed just doesn’t add up. Unless you think I smashed it with a factor of 1.59!!! note: Visually it did carry to the back of the range so the 281yd number makes sense. Not possible. 1.52 is max I think. I'm guessing that clubhead speed is measured and ball speed is calculated. 17 minutes ago, Micah T said: Depending on the brand of club, smash factor can change, but 1.59 seems impossible. TM drivers can show 1.51, and Ping top out around 1.48 from what I saw at my recent driver fitting. I’m assuming you find your mini radar accurate? I have a Sc200 swing caddie and I find the indoor distances to be off by 10 yards of carry. That being said, do you hit the center of the face each time? I swing 118 according to trackman; and my ball speed is usually 167-169, but I hit it all over the face... Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Doesn't vary by club it is simply a mathematical formula. Micah T and cnosil 2 Quote Stealth 2+ 9 (Diamana PD 60 S 45") Stealth 2+ 15 (Diamana PD 70 S 43") G425 19 (Raijin 2.0 85x) G425 22 (Raijin 2.0 85x) ZX7 5-9 (KBS C Taper S) Vokey SM9 45 10 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 49 08 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 55 08 M (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 59 04 T (KBS 610) Spider GT Splitback 34" ProV1 #23 Twitter @THEZIPR23 "One thing Golf has taught me, is that my muscles have no memory." Link to comment
Micah T Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Doesn't vary by club it is simply a mathematical formula. The math doesn’t vary, but what certain launch monitors will show does. The numbers I referenced are what those respective clubs top out at on a trackman... According to CC no ping driver gets higher than 1.48, while TM’s routinely go above 1.5: could be its own programming, but there you go. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Quote Driver - Cobra LtDxLS 3 Wood - Ping g410 LST 2iron - Titleist U505 Irons - Ping i59 Wedges - Vokey Sm9 Putter - Mizuno Mcraft IV Link to comment
TR1PTIK Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 21 minutes ago, THEZIPR23 said: Not possible. 1.52 is max I think. I'm guessing that clubhead speed is measured and ball speed is calculated. Doesn't vary by club it is simply a mathematical formula. I'd agree with this assessment. That particular monitor simply isn't collecting enough data to accurately display ball speed. My understanding is that 1.52 is absolute max, but even the most expensive launch monitors like Trackman can present a higher number depending on use and setup. Micah T 1 Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment
cnosil Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Micah T said: According to CC no ping driver gets higher than 1.48, while TM’s routinely go above 1.5: could be its own programming, but there you go.T Don't know where your fitter got his information but when i was fit at CC the Ping G400 hit1.51. Micah T and THEZIPR23 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: Sacks Parente MC 3 Stripe Backup Putters: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W, TM-180 Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
Micah T Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Don't know where your fitter got his information but when i was fit at CC the Ping G400 hit1.51. It came up when I was questioning my own stats: I had a couple 300+ bombs (G410plus) that only had 1.48 smash factor and 169 ball speed, I didn’t think that added up, but my fitter said it was pretty routine to see some OEM’s club just not max out smash factor, while some seemed artificially high... I’d always assumed it was a mathematical equation but the LM does make assumptions, or so I’m told...Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy Quote Driver - Cobra LtDxLS 3 Wood - Ping g410 LST 2iron - Titleist U505 Irons - Ping i59 Wedges - Vokey Sm9 Putter - Mizuno Mcraft IV Link to comment
zrumble Posted July 23, 2020 Author Share Posted July 23, 2020 The theoretical maximum is 1.50. Anything over that is likely measurement error. I am very curious as to which number people thought was more correct in swing speed or ball speed. I also have been noting low swing speed readings compared to feel during super speed training. tony@CIC 1 Quote Stats: 5'4", Male, R-Handed, Moderate Tempo, Driver SS 115mph Driver: Taylormade SiM Max 9*, TM Ventus Blue 6X 3w/5w: Callaway X-Hot, S-flex Fubuki shafts 3h: Tour Edge EXS Pro, Smoke Black 80g 6.0 4i-PW: Mizuno MP-4, DG S300 Wedges: Titleist SM7 56* Wedge: Callaway Jaws w/ 12* of bounce Link to comment
Thin2win Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 2 hours ago, zrumble said: The theoretical maximum is 1.50. Anything over that is likely measurement error. I am very curious as to which number people thought was more correct in swing speed or ball speed. I also have been noting low swing speed readings compared to feel during super speed training. It isn't really a theoretical limit, but more of a practical limit if the club conforms to legal design. You could get a smash factor higher than 1.5 if the club isn't conforming. But to the OP, I'd think 1.59 is more a device measurement error. zrumble 1 Quote WITB: Driver: SIM2 Max 12° - Accra TZ6 M4 FW Wood: Gen5 0311 7w Fujikura Motore X F3 Irons: ZX7 PW-7i, ZX5 6i-5i Wedges: Zipcore 50°, 58° Putter: MySpider X Cart: Onewheel XR+ Ball: Z-Star Diamond/ Z-Star XV 1 Link to comment
zrumble Posted July 24, 2020 Author Share Posted July 24, 2020 2 hours ago, Thin2win said: It isn't really a theoretical limit, but more of a practical limit if the club conforms to legal design. You could get a smash factor higher than 1.5 if the club isn't conforming. But to the OP, I'd think 1.59 is more a device measurement error. Great post! I saw an article with a physics-based thought experiment that showed 2.0 is the limit if you don’t have design constraints. But you’re right that the governing bodies have capped conforming equipment to 1.5. Definitely agree with measurement error. I just wonder what in their algorithm has the loosest tolerances. I would put money on the clubhead due to the more complicated physics of the multiple planes of motion and rotation compared to the ball. Quote Stats: 5'4", Male, R-Handed, Moderate Tempo, Driver SS 115mph Driver: Taylormade SiM Max 9*, TM Ventus Blue 6X 3w/5w: Callaway X-Hot, S-flex Fubuki shafts 3h: Tour Edge EXS Pro, Smoke Black 80g 6.0 4i-PW: Mizuno MP-4, DG S300 Wedges: Titleist SM7 56* Wedge: Callaway Jaws w/ 12* of bounce Link to comment
TR1PTIK Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 10 hours ago, zrumble said: I would put money on the clubhead due to the more complicated physics of the multiple planes of motion and rotation compared to the ball. Don't forget about variations in shape. I believe TXG has even made mention of some clubs presenting slightly different numbers due to shape. Micah T and zrumble 2 Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment
clafoone Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 So I had a bit of breeze behind me, 10-15mph sustained, but this smash factor seems way to high. 102mph clubhead speed with a 162mph ball speed just doesn’t add up. Unless you think I smashed it with a factor of 1.59!!! note: Visually it did carry to the back of the range so the 281yd number makes sense. One ball or 10 balls?Sent from my moto g(6) (XT1925DL) using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment
zrumble Posted July 25, 2020 Author Share Posted July 25, 2020 18 minutes ago, clafoone said: One ball or 10 balls? Sent from my moto g(6) (XT1925DL) using Tapatalk This one was the highest smash factor for sure, but I was seeing pretty consistent speeds that equated to 1.48-1.53. Some of those I know I missed a bit on the toe. Quote Stats: 5'4", Male, R-Handed, Moderate Tempo, Driver SS 115mph Driver: Taylormade SiM Max 9*, TM Ventus Blue 6X 3w/5w: Callaway X-Hot, S-flex Fubuki shafts 3h: Tour Edge EXS Pro, Smoke Black 80g 6.0 4i-PW: Mizuno MP-4, DG S300 Wedges: Titleist SM7 56* Wedge: Callaway Jaws w/ 12* of bounce Link to comment
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