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Sub 70 believes that it can offer high-quality golf clubs that are directly comparable to the major OEMs, while saving consumers money by selling direct. There's no doubt that the cost savings are there: on a stock setup of 5-PW, the 699 Pro irons are about half the price of TaylorMade's P790 irons, which are likely the best known product in the hollow/filled iron category.

But do they perform? Three forum members will be putting that claim to the test, and you can follow their updates here in this thread. Their overall summaries will be posted here:

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:cobra-small: F6 5-6W, 19.5°, Fujikura Motore 6.3
:755178188_TourEdge: CBX 20°, Project X HZRDUS 85 5.5
Currently testing: :Sub70: 699 Pro, Modus3 105, 5–PW
:cleveland-small: CBX 48°
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  • TaylorMade M5 9.0 - Graphite Design Tour AD-XC 60 X OR PX HZRDUS Green 60 6.5 TX
  • TaylorMade M6 15 - PX HZRDUS Green 80 6.5 TX
  • Adams Red 18 - Matrix Altus Tour X
  • Callaway X Forged UT 19 - Aldila Rogue Black 105 TX
  • Srixon Z965 4-P - PX 6.0 LS (hs 1x) --------------- FORUM TESTING /// Sub 70 Golf 699 Pro 4-P - KBS Tour X
  • Cleveland RTX 4 52/58 Mid - DG TI S400
  • Scotty Cameron X7 Phantom 34”
  • Bridgestone B XS

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Driver, Ping G400 11* SR Flex

3 Wood, TaylorMade SLDR 17*  R Flex

5 Wood, TaylorMade SLDR 19* R Flex

Hybrid, Cobra Amp 24* R Flex

Irons, Sub 70 699 Pro's S Flex (5 - AW)

Wedges, Cleveland CBX 56* & 60*

Putter, Odyssey Marksman Fang 35"

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:callaway-small: Epic Flash Sub Zero, 9°, Aldila Rogue White 70 X
:taylormade-small: M4 3HL 16.5°, Atmos Red 60
:cobra-small: F6 5-6W, 19.5°, Fujikura Motore 6.3
:755178188_TourEdge: CBX 20°, Project X HZRDUS 85 5.5
Currently testing: :Sub70: 699 Pro, Modus3 105, 5–PW
:cleveland-small: CBX 48°
:cleveland-small: RTX-3 CB 54° and 60°
:odyssey-small: Stroke Lab EXO Seven Mini, 34"
:srixon-small: Z-Star XV

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6 minutes ago, GolfSpy MPR said:

Let me kick things off here. First, I'm really excited about this test for reasons over and above the cool feeling of getting new clubs. Jason Hiland, the founder of @GolfSub70, has been part of my golfing life nearly since I really got sucked into the game 8 or so years ago.

I've always been in the "not rich guy playing a rich guys' sport" end of things, and so I was delighted to find one of Jason's earlier companies, Diamond Tour Golf. They make a variety of clone clubs, and I've built multiple sets from them for a fraction of the cost of the big OEMs. Diamond Tour not only sucked me deeper into playing golf, but into the joys of tinkering and club work. And they still provide what might be the best bargain in junior golf: I basically build Kirke a custom set of their junior clubs each year.

So for me, testing Sub 70 is like coming back to an old friend, even though Sub 70 is a relatively new company. For me, they start with a leg up: I know firsthand that Jason is capable of putting out quality components that don't have the same costs as the big OEMs.

_______________________

Some about me stuff: I've written a lot of this in other threads here, so I'll keep this short. I'm a perfectly mediocre golfer. Driver swing speed in the mid-to-upper 90s. Handicap (as of this morning) around 11. I make lots of bogeys, a few pars, and that summarizes most of my rounds.

As of now, my short game and putting have continued to get better and better; that is now the strength of my game. The biggest weakness is driving. In between is my approach play. I tend to hit my irons well, but on my home course, that's not enough: the greens are exceedingly tiny, and so increasing my GIRs has been a struggle for me.

_______________________

Why I'm interested in this test: my PING G700s and I have had a nice run. But a few months ago, I listened to a podcast with one of PING's engineers, and he was talking about the effects of blade length on player consistency. Check out an excerpt from that here:

Fascinating, no?

Considering that those are my irons he's holding as examples of the biggest irons, I really wanted to see if I might see some improvements in my game going back to a smaller iron.

But...who wants to give up the distance gains of an iron like the G700s? Enter the players-distance category iron! In this category, we have irons like some of the PXG flagships, the PING i500s, and the TaylorMade P790. Generally compact heads, most often hollow and then filled with some substance to make them sound less offensive. These seemed right in the sweet spot of what I would desire most. Except the price: yikes! Not even counting PXG doing PXG things, the price of this kind of manufacturing is almost certainly higher than a standard iron.

So the idea of Sub 70, a company that I already have a soft spot for, putting out an iron in the class of irons that I'm interested in: yep, count me in.

So what do I want to see with this test?

  • How much distance drop-off is there going from an SGI iron like the G700 to the 699 Pro?
  • Is there a compensating increase in control, both laterally and in consistent distance?
  • I'm at the higher end of the recommended handicap for these irons: are they too much for me?
  • And bottom line: are these going to help me with my long-running quest to break into a single-figure handicap?

Going to be keeping a close eye on this test as the Player's Distance Category has grown over the last 3-4 years.

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Driver: :honma: TR20 460 9.5* Vizard TR20 60X

Wood: :mizuno-small: ST200 TS Dimana D+PLUS Limited Edition 70X

Hybrids: :mizuno-small: CLK 19* Tensei CK Pro Blue 80TX

Irons: :honma: TW 747 Rose Proto 4-PW Modus Tour 120X

Wedges: :honma: TW-W4 52*, 56*, and 60*Modus Tour 125 Wedge 

Putter: :seemore-small: Nashville Z1C 34"

 Ball: :bridgestone-small: Tour B X

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1 hour ago, GolfSpy MPR said:

Let me kick things off here. First, I'm really excited about this test for reasons over and above the cool feeling of getting new clubs. Jason Hiland, the founder of @GolfSub70, has been part of my golfing life nearly since I really got sucked into the game 8 or so years ago.

I've always been in the "not rich guy playing a rich guys' sport" end of things, and so I was delighted to find one of Jason's earlier companies, Diamond Tour Golf. They make a variety of clone clubs, and I've built multiple sets from them for a fraction of the cost of the big OEMs. Diamond Tour not only sucked me deeper into playing golf, but into the joys of tinkering and club work. And they still provide what might be the best bargain in junior golf: I basically build Kirke a custom set of their junior clubs each year.

So for me, testing Sub 70 is like coming back to an old friend, even though Sub 70 is a relatively new company. For me, they start with a leg up: I know firsthand that Jason is capable of putting out quality components that don't have the same costs as the big OEMs.

_______________________

Some about me stuff: I've written a lot of this in other threads here, so I'll keep this short. I'm a perfectly mediocre golfer. Driver swing speed in the mid-to-upper 90s. Handicap (as of this morning) around 11. I make lots of bogeys, a few pars, and that summarizes most of my rounds.

As of now, my short game and putting have continued to get better and better; that is now the strength of my game. The biggest weakness is driving. In between is my approach play. I tend to hit my irons well, but on my home course, that's not enough: the greens are exceedingly tiny, and so increasing my GIRs has been a struggle for me.

_______________________

Why I'm interested in this test: my PING G700s and I have had a nice run. But a few months ago, I listened to a podcast with one of PING's engineers, and he was talking about the effects of blade length on player consistency. Check out an excerpt from that here:

Fascinating, no?

Considering that those are my irons he's holding as examples of the biggest irons, I really wanted to see if I might see some improvements in my game going back to a smaller iron.

But...who wants to give up the distance gains of an iron like the G700s? Enter the players-distance category iron! In this category, we have irons like some of the PXG flagships, the PING i500s, and the TaylorMade P790. Generally compact heads, most often hollow and then filled with some substance to make them sound less offensive. These seemed right in the sweet spot of what I would desire most. Except the price: yikes! Not even counting PXG doing PXG things, the price of this kind of manufacturing is almost certainly higher than a standard iron.

So the idea of Sub 70, a company that I already have a soft spot for, putting out an iron in the class of irons that I'm interested in: yep, count me in.

So what do I want to see with this test?

  • How much distance drop-off is there going from an SGI iron like the G700 to the 699 Pro?
  • Is there a compensating increase in control, both laterally and in consistent distance?
  • I'm at the higher end of the recommended handicap for these irons: are they too much for me?
  • And bottom line: are these going to help me with my long-running quest to break into a single-figure handicap?

I've had my Sub 70 639CB's alittle over a month and I'm thrilled w/ the quality, plus the customer service is top notch from Jason and the team.  The Players distance irons aren't for everyone, but they are an important niche in helping a large group play better and enjoy golf more. From others I know that have these irons, I think you're in for a treat!

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:adams-small:3 Wood:  Adams TightLies Titanium 3+  - Shaft Bassara E55 x5ct

:taylormade-small:Hybrid: Taylormade RBZ 2.  16.5°-  Stock Shaft- Stiff

image.png.5094bf65d200d3ff7ef5ed059993dfb4.png Irons: SUB70 639 CB 4-PW w/ Nippon Modus 120 X-STIFF

:mizuno-small::cleveland-small:Wedges: GW: SUB70 Raw 48° Mizuno Mp series 52 SW: Cleveland RTX 2.0  56° LW: Mizuno JPX 900 60°

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Let me kick things off here. First, I'm really excited about this test for reasons over and above the cool feeling of getting new clubs. Jason Hiland, the founder of [mention=76062]GolfSub70[/mention], has been part of my golfing life nearly since I really got sucked into the game 8 or so years ago.
I've always been in the "not rich guy playing a rich guys' sport" end of things, and so I was delighted to find one of Jason's earlier companies, Diamond Tour Golf. They make a variety of clone clubs, and I've built multiple sets from them for a fraction of the cost of the big OEMs. Diamond Tour not only sucked me deeper into playing golf, but into the joys of tinkering and club work. And they still provide what might be the best bargain in junior golf: I basically build Kirke a custom set of their junior clubs each year.
So for me, testing Sub 70 is like coming back to an old friend, even though Sub 70 is a relatively new company. For me, they start with a leg up: I know firsthand that Jason is capable of putting out quality components that don't have the same costs as the big OEMs.
_______________________
Some about me stuff: I've written a lot of this in other threads here, so I'll keep this short. I'm a perfectly mediocre golfer. Driver swing speed in the mid-to-upper 90s. Handicap (as of this morning) around 11. I make lots of bogeys, a few pars, and that summarizes most of my rounds.
As of now, my short game and putting have continued to get better and better; that is now the strength of my game. The biggest weakness is driving. In between is my approach play. I tend to hit my irons well, but on my home course, that's not enough: the greens are exceedingly tiny, and so increasing my GIRs has been a struggle for me.
_______________________
Why I'm interested in this test: my PING G700s and I have had a nice run. But a few months ago, I listened to a podcast with one of PING's engineers, and he was talking about the effects of blade length on player consistency. Check out an excerpt from that here:
[/url] Fascinating, no?
Considering that those are my irons he's holding as examples of the biggest irons, I really wanted to see if I might see some improvements in my game going back to a smaller iron.
But...who wants to give up the distance gains of an iron like the G700s? Enter the players-distance category iron! In this category, we have irons like some of the PXG flagships, the PING i500s, and the TaylorMade P790. Generally compact heads, most often hollow and then filled with some substance to make them sound less offensive. These seemed right in the sweet spot of what I would desire most. Except the price: yikes! Not even counting PXG doing PXG things, the price of this kind of manufacturing is almost certainly higher than a standard iron.
So the idea of Sub 70, a company that I already have a soft spot for, putting out an iron in the class of irons that I'm interested in: yep, count me in.
So what do I want to see with this test?
  • How much distance drop-off is there going from an SGI iron like the G700 to the 699 Pro?
  • Is there a compensating increase in control, both laterally and in consistent distance?
  • I'm at the higher end of the recommended handicap for these irons: are they too much for me?
  • And bottom line: are these going to help me with my long-running quest to break into a single-figure handicap?


Great start! You actually hit on several things that I am interested in.

The blade length has been something I have read about and thought about. Several years ago I played a set of Bridgestone J40 DPC’s, a much small blade than my current Cobra F7’s.

When I was striking the ball well there was no better feeling and the results were amazing! But, mishits were punishing.

So I’ll be interested to see how you and the others do with the smaller profile iron.

How much distance do you give up, if any?
How is the dispersion?
How much do you lose on mishits?
Is there a big difference between a toe miss and a heel miss?
What about thin shots?

SGI irons cover up a lot of misses....how does the 699 Pros handle those.

These are on my short list for new irons so I’ll be following along closely.


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Congrats to all the testers and excellent starting posts!! Looking forward to following you all on your journey.

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In my :cobra-small: Ultralight Stand Bag:

Driver:    :cobra-small: King F9 9° - LH - Atmos Blue TS 6 Stiff
Woods:   :cobra-small: King F9 - LH - 3/4 Wood - Atmos Blue 7 Reg
               :cobra-small: King F9 - LH - 3 Hybrid - Atmos Blue 7 Reg
Irons:      :cobra-small: King F9 - LH - 4-PW - True Temper XP95 Reg
Wedges: :cobra-small: King Black - LH - 52° 56° 60° -True Temper XP95 Reg
Putter:    :rife-putters-1: Two Bar Hybrid
Ball:        :titelist-small: Pro V1

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Great starts from all of you!

I see both of you ended up with KBS shafts and that’s their standard offering, where you allowed to chose any shaft in the catalog or did they try to keep you in the KBS?

I will be really interested to see how Tom fares with players iron.

I was very interested in this testing but I think the Pros might be a little too much Club for me right now. But I’m definitely interested in some of their other offerings so I will be following this closely.


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:cobra-small: King F7 4 Hybrid Graphite Designs Tour AD-HY 95 Shaft

:cobra-small: King F7 5 Hybrid Graphite Designs Tour AD-HY 95 Shaft

:cobra-small: King F7 6-PW UST Mamiya Recoil 95 Shafts

:cobra-small: King PuR Wedges 50*,54*,58* UST Mamiya Recoil 95 Shafts

:odyssey-small: Metal X Milled #7 with SuperStroke 3.0 grip

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How good do they look!!

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In my :cobra-small: Ultralight Stand Bag:

Driver:    :cobra-small: King F9 9° - LH - Atmos Blue TS 6 Stiff
Woods:   :cobra-small: King F9 - LH - 3/4 Wood - Atmos Blue 7 Reg
               :cobra-small: King F9 - LH - 3 Hybrid - Atmos Blue 7 Reg
Irons:      :cobra-small: King F9 - LH - 4-PW - True Temper XP95 Reg
Wedges: :cobra-small: King Black - LH - 52° 56° 60° -True Temper XP95 Reg
Putter:    :rife-putters-1: Two Bar Hybrid
Ball:        :titelist-small: Pro V1

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Congrats testers, and I’m excited to see some low indexers in the mix. I’m a little familiar with the Sub70’s and Jason, and these clubs hold the most interest for me, so pretty excited to hear all about them. 
good luck and “let’s get it on”!!

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Congrats to all testers, looking forward to all your reviews! I have had my Sub70 699 irons now for about 2 months and I love them. I  went with 699 vs 699 pro after I demoed them, just for the minor increase in forgiveness in the 699 and the fact that I rarely try to work the ball. I went with the KBS tour 90 stiff shaft and my ball flight and trajectory is more penetrating with improved height. Jason and his team are phenomenal and I called him about 4-5 times to make sure everything was correct before I ordered. Welcome to the #SubClub! Excited to see how they perform for you.

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Driver:  :Hogan: Ben Hogan GS53 10.5* Stiff Mitsubishi tensei blue

3 Wood: :adams-small: Insight BUL Stiff

Hybrid:  :Sub70: 939x Hybrid UST 680 recoil shaft stiff

Irons: :Sub70: 699 irons  KBS tour 90 v Stiff 

52 Deg:cleveland-small: 588 RTX 2.0

56 deg: :cleveland-small: Reg 588 tour action

60 Deg: :cleveland-small: 588 RTX 2.0

Putter:bettinardi-small: Studio Stock #3 (Winn 1.32 Pro x grip)

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What am I looking for from the Sub 70 699 Pro irons? Part 1: Shot tracking

I'm going to set up my testing procedures for the Sub 70 irons in two categories: on-course performance and launch monitor numbers. Here, I want to set up a baseline for the performance of my current irons, the PING G700s.

This year, I switched from Game Golf to Arccos for my stat collection. The two systems send mixed messages about the quality of my approach game (though both give me roughly the same overall handicap). Game Golf tells me my approach play is roughly at the level of a high single-digit player; Arccos says it's more at the level of a 15 handicap. That's a pretty broad disparity, obviously—especially relatively: Game Golf says my approach play is a strength relative to my overall handicap, whereas Arccos tells me that it's holding my handicap back.

I suspect the difference is that Arccos gives greater weight to hitting greens, whereas Game Golf is more concerned with proximity to the hole. I've written about this elsewhere on this site: the greens at my home course are very, very small (on average, about 2,400 sq ft). Practically, then, while GG might be more encouraging, Arccos is going to end up better reflecting the actual scoring potential that I have on my course. I might have hit an OK shot that finished 35 feet from the pin (from 100-125 yards, J. B. Holmes is last on the Tour with an average proximity of almost 30'), but because the greens are 50x50, I'm still chipping. My average greens in regulation hovers around 25%; it's really hard to score well with that percentage.

Here's my Arccos GIR and proximity numbers for my last 10 rounds:

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And here are the current Arccos distance ranges that I hit each club:

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For this test, I'm obviously looking for any distance increase from the 699 Pros over the G700s. The 699s are slightly weaker in lofts (about 1° on each club). I am hoping for tighter dispersion numbers and (correspondingly) higher GIR numbers.

In my next post, I'll lay down some baseline SkyTrak numbers with my current irons and suggest some targets that I'm hoping to see the 699s hit.

 

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:taylormade-small: M4 3HL 16.5°, Atmos Red 60
:cobra-small: F6 5-6W, 19.5°, Fujikura Motore 6.3
:755178188_TourEdge: CBX 20°, Project X HZRDUS 85 5.5
Currently testing: :Sub70: 699 Pro, Modus3 105, 5–PW
:cleveland-small: CBX 48°
:cleveland-small: RTX-3 CB 54° and 60°
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3 minutes ago, GolfSpy MPR said:

What am I looking for from the Sub 70 699 Pro irons? Part 1: Shot tracking

I'm going to set up my testing procedures for the Sub 70 irons in two categories: on-course performance and launch monitor numbers. Here, I want to set up a baseline for the performance of my current irons, the PING G700s.

This year, I switched from Game Golf to Arccos for my stat collection. The two systems send mixed messages about the quality of my approach game (though both give me roughly the same overall handicap). Game Golf tells me my approach play is roughly at the level of a high single-digit player; Arccos says it's more at the level of a 15 handicap. That's a pretty broad disparity, obviously—especially relatively: Game Golf says my approach play is a strength relative to my overall handicap, whereas Arccos tells me that it's holding my handicap back.

I suspect the difference is that Arccos gives greater weight to hitting greens, whereas Game Golf is more concerned with proximity to the hole. I've written about this elsewhere on this site: the greens at my home course are very, very small (on average, about 2,400 sq ft). Practically, then, while GG might be more encouraging, Arccos is going to end up better reflecting the actual scoring potential that I have on my course. I might have hit an OK shot that finished 35 feet from the pin (from 100-125 yards, J. B. Holmes is last on the Tour with an average proximity of almost 30'), but because the greens are 50x50, I'm still chipping. My average greens in regulation hovers around 25%; it's really hard to score well with that percentage.

Here's my Arccos GIR and proximity numbers for my last 10 rounds:

image.png

And here are the current Arccos distance ranges that I hit each club:

image.png

For this test, I'm obviously looking for any distance increase from the 699 Pros over the G700s. The 699s are slightly weaker in lofts (about 1° on each club). I am hoping for tighter dispersion numbers and (correspondingly) higher GIR numbers.

In my next post, I'll lay down some baseline SkyTrak numbers with my current irons and suggest some targets that I'm hoping to see the 699s hit.

 

Good data here. Arccos is very eye opening I think.

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1 hour ago, GolfSpy MPR said:

What am I looking for from the Sub 70 699 Pro irons? Part 1: Shot tracking

I'm going to set up my testing procedures for the Sub 70 irons in two categories: on-course performance and launch monitor numbers. Here, I want to set up a baseline for the performance of my current irons, the PING G700s.

This year, I switched from Game Golf to Arccos for my stat collection. The two systems send mixed messages about the quality of my approach game (though both give me roughly the same overall handicap). Game Golf tells me my approach play is roughly at the level of a high single-digit player; Arccos says it's more at the level of a 15 handicap. That's a pretty broad disparity, obviously—especially relatively: Game Golf says my approach play is a strength relative to my overall handicap, whereas Arccos tells me that it's holding my handicap back.

I suspect the difference is that Arccos gives greater weight to hitting greens, whereas Game Golf is more concerned with proximity to the hole. I've written about this elsewhere on this site: the greens at my home course are very, very small (on average, about 2,400 sq ft). Practically, then, while GG might be more encouraging, Arccos is going to end up better reflecting the actual scoring potential that I have on my course. I might have hit an OK shot that finished 35 feet from the pin (from 100-125 yards, J. B. Holmes is last on the Tour with an average proximity of almost 30'), but because the greens are 50x50, I'm still chipping. My average greens in regulation hovers around 25%; it's really hard to score well with that percentage.

Here's my Arccos GIR and proximity numbers for my last 10 rounds:

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And here are the current Arccos distance ranges that I hit each club:

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For this test, I'm obviously looking for any distance increase from the 699 Pros over the G700s. The 699s are slightly weaker in lofts (about 1° on each club). I am hoping for tighter dispersion numbers and (correspondingly) higher GIR numbers.

In my next post, I'll lay down some baseline SkyTrak numbers with my current irons and suggest some targets that I'm hoping to see the 699s hit.

 

I don't want to get off topic but I have a question regarding the data collection.

I have not used either system but I am wondering about the distance variation. Yes we can all hit a few poor shots, but I am questioning the logic in the programs. I play on a hilly course or should I say a very hilly course. As an example, if I have 125 yards into a green I would hit a pitching wedge. In this example I have a severe upslope and I am on the slope hitting into the green. In order to get the ball 125 yards I now need to hit a 9 iron which is 140 yards for me. Wouldn't the distance tracking always be showing you short or long on uphill and down hill lies?  Like I said I have not used either system but do they compensate for elevations or always assume a level shot.

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Driver, Ping G400 11* SR Flex

3 Wood, TaylorMade SLDR 17*  R Flex

5 Wood, TaylorMade SLDR 19* R Flex

Hybrid, Cobra Amp 24* R Flex

Irons, Sub 70 699 Pro's S Flex (5 - AW)

Wedges, Cleveland CBX 56* & 60*

Putter, Odyssey Marksman Fang 35"

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