GolfSpy MPR Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Sub 70 believes that it can offer high-quality golf clubs that are directly comparable to the major OEMs, while saving consumers money by selling direct. There's no doubt that the cost savings are there: on a stock setup of 5-PW, the 699 Pro irons are about half the price of TaylorMade's P790 irons, which are likely the best known product in the hollow/filled iron category. But do they perform? Three forum members will be putting that claim to the test, and you can follow their updates here in this thread. Their overall summaries will be posted here: Smellis745: Review Tom the Golf Nut: Review GolfSpy MPR: Review cciciora13, golfingbrock, artful_golfer and 4 others 7 Quote TS3 9.5°, Tensei Blue CBX T3 15°, Project X HZRDUS Black Epic Super Hybrid 18°, Aerotech Steel Fiber FC HYB S C722 21°, Ventus Blue 8S CBX Iron-Wood 25°, Project X HZRDUS Black 6.0 639 CB, Aldila NV 95 Graphite, 6–PW CBX 48° T22 54° and 60° EAS 4.0, Garsen G-Pro grip TP5x and Tour Response Full WITB with pictures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smellis745 Posted July 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2020 The Review 09/21/2020 Sub 70 699 Pro Irons (4-P) – Official MGS Forum Review by Smellis745 Intro I’ll do a quick recap here as the bulk of this is found in my initial post. I’m currently trending to a 3.8 handicap. My average score over the past 20 rounds is 79.5. My swing tempo is one that I’d consider moderate. I usually play in the upstate of South Carolina, where we have hot and humid summers and relatively mild winters. Sure, the temps can get rather cold here during the winter months, but for the most part, you can golf year round. My typical ball flight is a 10-15 yard fade with the lower lofts gets less the higher the loft. My miss is a straight pull to the left. The strength of my game is length off the tee and chipping. The courses I typically play range from 6500-6900 yards. There aren’t any par 5s that I can’t reach in two, or at least be within pitching distance, with a good drive. I realized I was losing too many shots around the green and put a lot of work in this summer with chipping, really focusing on 30 yards and in to where this now may be one of the better aspects of my game. I know it’s saved a few rounds for me. My current gamers are Srixon Z745 irons in 4-P and I was not fit into these initially. A friend of mine was selling them so I took them for a test drive. I hit them really well and decided to stick with them. The number one priority for me with an iron in hand is to hit the green. This doesn’t always happen, but I need an iron that I’m confident in when standing at address. I like my irons to have a thin top line, little offset, and a moderately thin sole. My fade is typically consistent so I attack greens accordingly. If the pin is left, I’ll take dead aim and let the ball bleed towards center. If the pin is center, I favor the left side of the green. If the pin is to the right, I aim left of center and let the ball bleed in towards the middle or just right of it. That’s the game plan but it doesn’t always work, hence the (A) beside my name. Lately though, I’ve been struggling with my shorter irons but hitting my long irons great. On most par 4s, I try to leave a full swing in and will attack the hole according to the layout and potential penalties. If there’s a bunker in my driver carry range, I’ll lay back with a 3 wood. However there are days where I’m just feeling it with the partial wedges and I’ll let the driver rip and try to get as close as I can. First Impressions My first impressions with these clubs was favorable. I really liked the black finish, which really hid the top line. Having played the Srixon Z745 set since 2016, this was huge for me. I have a set of Srixon Z965s that I'll throw in the bag every now and then just because. Before these I played a set of Titleist 704CB irons for years. I discussed this with Jason and he agreed that the black finish should help minimize my perception of the top line. They were a bit longer heel to toe than anything I’ve ever played, but that is not something that scared me in the least. The claim that these look more like a classic players iron I don’t really buy in to. Having played players irons for years, these are a little larger, but it’s not offensive. As soon as I got these in, I immediately took them to the range. Per the claims from Sub 70, I wanted to see if the word of these irons matched up in action. I’m a function over form guy and if these performed, I could adapt to the look. What I found immediately is these seemed to be a ½ club longer on the course. The sound was great and the feel was good. Sub 70 does not outright make any direct manufacturer claims, but it’s clear these are designed to compete with the Taylormade P790, Ping i500, Cobra Forged Tec, etc… The primary claim on these irons that piqued my interest for getting involved with this test is I need something that helps with forgiving toe side misses. The “generous heel to toe measurement, a massive sweet spot for the utmost in forgiveness” is what spoke to me. My miss with irons is on the toe and if these could help with that, I’d have what I need. Having never hit anything from Sub70, but reading favorable reviews, I was ready to see if the hype matched for myself. What I needed to see was the “utmost forgiveness” from the “massive sweet spot”. I was hoping for an increase in GIR above all else. The idea of some extra length is not a bad thing, as long as it’s controllable. If I could smooth out my swing and keep my same distance, even better. My initial testing took place on the driving range and course. I could tell on the range that these irons seemed to be a bit longer. I wouldn’t have been able to tell you at that point if it was due to the slightly stronger lofts or if it was the claim that the TPE injected body. Out on the course, those suspicions were confirmed. These were definitely longer than what I was used to seeing, but the long irons were more forgiving. I was point and shooting 200 yard approach shots. The shots didn’t seem to be spinning as much, but were landing with a higher descent angle which gave plenty of stopping power. One thing that did stand out to me was approach shots out of the rough with long and mid irons where I had a few issues. Calling the shots “flyers” would be poor terminology, but they were knuckleballs. I couldn’t get much spin at all, the ball wouldn’t carry very far, but would roll out like it was shot out of cannon on the first bounce. I scheduled some time on the Trackman for official numbers and that was some rather interesting data. On the Trackman, I did not see what I was seeing on the course. The Sub70 699 Pros were a carrying a less than my Srixons and launching lower, but were spinning less. This was behavior that I was seeing on shots from the rough, not good lies from the fairway. I said it in a post earlier that this shows the importance of being fitted on actual grass rather than matts when possible. Grading Looks (6 out of 10 points) I was very impressed, initially, with the black PVD finish. I play black wedges to reduce the glare so these fit with my current wedge set. Not a perfect match, but good enough. The finish reminds me a lot of the Jet Black finish on Vokey wedges. There’s a little more gloss on the Sub 70, but there isn’t any reflective glare. The graphics while minimal were a bit high contrast for me. The solid black finish with the white color-filled logos on the back were a bit strong. I would have loved to seen these irons with the logo and branding blacked out to match the finish. As I said earlier, I was initially impressed with the finish. However after some moderate range use, the finish started wearing very noticeably on the face. Feel (9 out of 10 points) As always, feel is very subjective and for most is relatable to sound. These irons check all the boxes in this area for me. I like my irons to progressively feel better through the set. I typically start at D3 in my long irons and gradually get heavier until I’m at D5 in my wedges. Jason and crew did a phenomenal job with this for me. I can best describe the overall feel/sound of these irons as “muted”. On center struck shots, you don’t feel any feedback through the club and the sound is a very dull “whack”. On mishit shots, you’re not punished with harsh vibration, yet you know you missed. The sound is audibly louder and slightly more vibration. Basic Characteristics (15 out of 20 points) I had some conflicting data here, but am rolling with what I saw on the course. These irons launch higher, a bit more than I like especially on windy days. However, because they don’t “seem” to spin as much, the distance loss isn’t any more than normal. On calm days though, these irons definitely gave me a touch more distance and straighter ball flight. My fade didn’t work as far left to right. One thing I didn’t notice though, was more GIR. My GIR stayed relatively the same. I noticed improvement on par 3’s, but my approaches were the same statistically. I think this had more to do with the increase in distance I saw at the bottom of the bag. This left me with a larger gap between the PW and my GW. My gamer gap between these two clubs is 17 yards. The gap I was seeing with the Sub 70 699 Pros was near 30 yards. This made flighting PWs a bit more challenging and I found when I missed the green on these shots, it was short. The data from my Trackman session is below, but these numbers do not match what I was seeing on the course. Data not included: Average GW carry on full shot 124.1 yards. Srixon Z745 5i – 206.5 yards – 138.3 mph ball speed – 4787 rpm – 11.9 launch 7i – 185.7 yards – 132.4 mph ball speed – 6140 rpm – 19.0 launch 9i – 155.1 yards – 115.9 ball speed – 7466 rpm – 23.2 launch PW – 141.3 yards – 106.5 ball speed – 8135 rpm – 24.1 launch Sub 70 699 Pro 5i – 200.6 yards – 137.8 mph ball speed – 4879 rpm – 9.6 launch 7i – 176.3 yards – 125.5 mph ball speed – 6149 rpm – 15.3 launch 9i – 137.7 yards – 104.8 mph ball speed – 8325 rpm – 21.6 launch PW – 133 yards – 102 mph ball speed – 8507 rpm – 23.7 launch On the course, the Sub 70 699 Pros I had the 5i carrying around 215, 7i low 190s, 9i high 160s, and the PW at 150. On-Course / LM Performance (22 out of 30 points) This is the area where I was disappointed in the test. Let me be clear, I was satisfied with the irons for the most part. I just didn’t see the gains I hoped to see. I was hoping to see an increase in GIR due to the increased forgiveness of these irons. I’ve mentioned it several times, they performed well and I loved the sound and feel. However, for me, these just weren’t helping my game. Throughout the testing process, I never once beat my handicap with these in the bag. I shot some rounds near my handicap, but I never beat it. One stat that did improve tough, par 3 performance dropped from a 3.4 average to a 3.2 average. Outside of that, I saw similar performance stats. The increase distance didn’t help any, and if anything, it hurt on the 120-150 yard approaches. However, longer approaches were great with these irons. I hit some absolute roped approaches with the 6 iron from 200 yards. Hit a few greens from 210-220 with the 5 iron that were just beautiful shots. Miscellaneous (9 out of 10 points) IMO, this is where Sub 70 truly excelled. The irons were received in a nice, tightly, packaged box that didn’t allow for any movement or damage to the clubs. In today's world though, I expect good customer service. It is the deal breaker for a lot of transactions, but Sub 70 excelled. I spoke to Jason twice throughout the test and he was always willing to help. Jason took a good bit of time during the initial conversation to make sure we got these irons setup to my specs and they were out within a week just like he said. The overall feedback I received from some playing partners were these irons were just as good as anything else in this category. Play it or Trade it? (15 out of 20 points) Honestly, I’m still on the fence. I think these irons could be a benefit to my play with more time. I felt the same last year when I did the Cleveland RTX 4 test. Those wedges eventually became a permanent staple to my bag. With the Sub 70 699 Pro irons, it was a love at first sight and the honeymoon was great. However, reality eventually set in. Maybe it’s the slightly larger club than what I’m used to and I got lazy with my swing and didn’t focus on executing as efficiently because I knew there was forgiveness there. I think the asking price for these irons should put them under consideration for anyone. Because these irons can’t be found in your local pro shop, Sub 70 does offer a demo program. I would highly recommend anyone considering these irons to use this. Considering these irons are nearly half the cost of any big name brand iron in the players distance category, if you like keeping money in your wallet, you should give these a shot. So for now, I can’t give a definitive answer on this one, but I’m leaning towards trade it. They did help in some areas, but the most important area, scoring, they did not. It’s not that these irons aren’t good, it’s just that I’m not sure they’re what I need for my game. Conclusion TL/DR – I said it once in the running thread, these irons are just as good as anything I’ve hit in the players distance category. That includes the Callaway Apex, Taylormade P790 (and new P770), and Titleist AP3. I think this iron is big enough to inspire confidence in someone who may not be the best ball striker, yet are not overly large to where someone who prefers a smaller club head will feel like they're swinging a shovel. They really are a nice balance that can fit a lot of people. If you are looking for a new set of irons and want something that will help you launch the ball higher as well as increase your distance, you should definitely give these a go. Don’t let the “players distance” category scare you away. Final Score: (76 out of 100 points) Thin2win, golfingbrock, edingc and 10 others 13 Quote PXG 0811X Gen 4 7.5* - Graphite Design Tour AD-HD 7 TX TaylorMade M6 15* - PX HZRDUS Green 80 TX Titleist 913 Fd 18* - MCA KuroKage XMS 90 X /// OR /// Callaway XForged UT 20* - Aldila Rogue Black 105 TX Srixon Z745 4-P - PX LZ 7.0 Vokey SM7 49F / 53F / 58K - DG TI S400 Odyssey Black #3 34” Titleist AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom the Golf Nut Posted July 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2020 August 2020 SUB 70 699 Pro Irons – Official MGS Forum Review by Tom the Golf Nut Intro: I am pretty much a self-taught golfer and have been playing for about thirty years. Handicap had just dropped to a 2.5 before testing started. Swing tempo is smooth with an average driver swing speed of 96 mph and 70 mph with the 7 iron. I play in the North East Tennessee at the base of the Smokey Mountains. Courses are generally hilly. My average iron ball flight is straight with a lower trajectory. A miss with the iron is usually slightly left. My strengths are driving the ball straight, chipping and putting. I have been playing Wilson D200 irons but I have always been an off the rack guy purchasing when they were a model year old. Was fit once for irons and told I was a standard fit. First Impressions: Right out of the gate, the fitting questions, the speed of assembly, and delivery were fantastic. Upon delivery the box and packaging were a step above the competition. Interesting slogan on the box that reads “Expectations Redefined” I found that to be spot on during testing. Being a “Game Improvement” Iron player I was used to the fancy looking cavity backs. You know the stuff that gets your attention! So visually the clubs were a little blah. When I researched a little further, most of the irons in the players distance category were of similar design. Actually very similar to the Ping i500’s. Sub Seventy Golf is not claiming to be better than the big names but rather stating that the performance of their equipment will be as good and at a better price point. This club featured the filled hollow body which is popular in this category. I was a little hesitant with the notion of playing a “Players Iron” but my handicap says I should be able to. After I was selected I got in touch with Jason at Sub Seventy Golf and had a phone interview and went through what I was currently playing, shaft type, average 8 iron distance, and my typical ball flight, height, wrist to floor measurements, and grip size. We discussed what I wanted to change about my ball flight and what shaft to use to obtain that. We also talked about the soil in my area and he recommended that I go with the satin finish instead of the black due to the potential of the finish not holding up. He said over time the irons might get the patina look. I will admit the black irons look fantastic. I went into this testing with the desire to increase my trajectory into the greens and hopefully improve my greens in regulation. Was I missing greens due to my alignment or have I outgrown game improvement irons? I was keeping an open mind and was going to let the clubs speak for themselves. I spent half a day collecting data comparing club against club. I checked the lofts between sets and they were the same from the 5 iron through the 9 iron so I wasn’t worried about not knowing what iron to hit from certain distances. I used a Flight Scope MEVO and a net in the yard and by the data it appeared that there wasn’t going to be much of a change. So I headed to the golf course with both sets of irons and hit the driving range. Well, data did not match what actual performance on the driving range produced. I handed a seven and six iron to three select scratch golfers at my club. All three of them really like the club and performance. They said that they would put them in play. One person had the Ping i500 and he said it played exactly the same. All three hit towering shots. Then I stepped up to bat so to speak and I had the same results, long towering shots. Not something I was used to. Was it a fluke? Side by side comparison showed these 699 Pro irons to hit perfectly straight, towering shots landing softly at the target my other set produced lower shots with roll out. This was just the driving range! How will they perform on the course? After my data collection and driving range session I went and played nine holes. The clubs on course performance was identical to the range. Within the first two holes I realized that I could just aim at the pin and fire away. In my first nine holes I hit seven of nine greens in regulation and made four birdies. So I thought it was just because I was warmed up. I was just in the groove it happens! My first full round of eighteen holes the next day I decided to forgo any iron warmup. I did hit three drives on the range just to get the driver swing in check. Would this day produce the same results? I achieved fantastic results once again. Fifteen greens in regulation (a first for me) and tied my personal best round of golf with a sixty eight. I had five birdies. I’m lucky if I get five birdies in 5 rounds. Typically I’m a par player with a few bogeys thrown in. Lower ball D200, upper with 699 Pro Round after round the performance factor never ceased to impress me. The approach wedge took me a little bit to figure it out, but after a few rounds I got it dialed in. I was used to 47 degrees and these are 50 degrees. But since my greens in regulation percentage has increased the chipping has not been required as much. Good problem to have. Grading: Looks 6 out of 10 Plain looking club with a satin finish. Not the chromed pretty cavity backs that draw you to the club in the store. But all the lines are clean and head shape is good. The club head drops more toward the heel than I was used to seeing. The black finish would have been 8 out of 10. Feel 10 out of 10 You can definitely feel off center hits, and center strikes just go where you aimed. The clubs feel very stable during impact, minimal twisting on off center hits. Off center hits still go straight but with a slight loss of yardage. The club feels very well balanced in hand and during the swing. Basic Characteristics 20 out of 20 Trajectory is just under a high trajectory category with the KBS Tour V90. This was exactly what I was looking for in a club. Accuracy is spot on. It goes where you aim it. Distance was a slight improvement for me even though the specs were similar to my other clubs. The trajectory added about half a club. The landing of the ball was for the most part a hop and stop or just land and sit regardless of the club selected. I was totally comfortable pin hunting with these irons. On-Course Performance 28 out of 30 My greens in regulation percentage has increased. Distance to the pin on the green has decreased. Trajectory has improved. All these factors are exactly what I had hoped to achieve. Truthfully I did not think that I would see the results that I did so quickly. I thought there would be some sort of adjustment period. If you close or open the face a bit the ball will draw or fade. Too much and you are hooking or slicing. Miscellaneous 8 out of 10 Packaging was superior, hand written note was very nice, a hat was included, and a sticker which was also a nice touch. Sound deducted some points for me. The harder balls produced a louder click. Nothing bad but noticeable. Play it or trade it 20 out of 20 There is no doubt that these are staying in the bag. Everything that I was looking to achieve has been delivered in the form of the Sub Seventy 699 Pro irons. The fitting delivered the desired results. I have been able to play better since putting them in play. I think these were a perfect fit for me even though I was skeptical. Comparing the major manufactures pricing for clubs in this category the Sub Seventy line of clubs has a very attractive price point and definitely worth consideration. Conclusion If playing a big brand name is not important to you and if you are looking for a club that performs and checks all the boxes then this is for you. The 699 Pro series is designed for a person in the five to fifteen handicap range. Even though my handicap is lower than the recommendation range these irons are working out extremely well for me. My handicap starting this test was at a 2.5 and as of this review it dropped to a 1.2. This was all due to increasing my greens in regulation and proximity to the pin. Fifteen round average score before was 72.6 during the 699 Pro testing period 70.5. Final Score 92 out of 100 Nunfa0, fixyurdivot, edingc and 14 others 17 Quote Driver, TSi 1 S Flex 3 wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 5 wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 7 Wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 5 Hybrid King Tec MMT R Flex Irons, Tour UST Recoil 95 R Flex (6 - Gap) Wedges, Snakebite KBS Hi- Rev2.0 54* & 60* Agera 35" Ultralight 14-way Cart Bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GolfSpy MPR Posted July 24, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2020 Sub 70 699 Pro irons – Official MGS Forum Review by Michael Riley Intro I’m going to go with an abbreviated introduction here. If you want the longer version, check out the intro to my review of the PING G700 irons; that’s a good review to read anyway, because they were the irons in my bag when I received the 699 Pros. Much of what I’m writing here is a comparison between these two iron sets. The short story on me is that I’m a perfectly ordinary golfer. My local course is short but has its challenges. I began playing avidly about 8 years ago, struggling to break 100. These days, an ordinary round for me is something in the low–mid 80s. Based on various apps, I’d say my handicap is likely in the 11–12 range. My driving is generally worse than typical for my handicap; my short game and putting are my strengths. My approach play, though, is about average for someone with my scoring. I don’t hit the ball especially far; I typically play an 8-iron from 150 (though maybe I should grab my 7); based on multiple measuring gadgets, my 7-iron swing speed is right around 75mph (roughly LPGA average). That makes me the everyman for this testing group, as both @Tom the Golf Nut and @Smellis745 are considerably more accomplished players than I am. Should a middling, ordinary golfer consider putting Sub 70’s 699 Pro irons in his bag? I’m here to help answer that question. Fitting and First Impressions I was genuinely delighted to be part of this test, because the founder of Sub 70 has been a part of my golf life nearly from the time I seriously took up the game. One of his other companies is Diamond Tour Golf; it’s a component company that makes a lot of clone (not counterfeit) clubs. Over the years, I’ve built multiple sets of clubs for myself and others from DTG (including nearly all of Kirke’s clubs). It’s a company that I grew to appreciate for its value: the components were of good quality and very inexpensive. So when Jason Hiland founded Sub 70 to be a kind of flagship brand for his model of golf, I was very intrigued—and more so after seeing the looks of several of his clubs, especially the irons. Jason’s—and Sub 70’s—reputation for outstanding customer service has been confirmed for me in this review process. As others have mentioned, we each talked with Jason personally to get advice on the build for our irons. And this isn’t a perk for MGS-connected reviewers. He literally has his cell phone number published on Sub 70’s website. Coming from my PING G700s (which I did not get fitted in person), I had few specific complaints. Most were subjective: they’re very large and not the most pleasant sounding. Because I liked the shafts I was playing in my G700s, Jason suggested that we go with those in my 699 Pros as well. Otherwise, everything on my 699 Pros is stock (my PINGs are blue dot, or a degree upright). With the same grips and same shafts, this G700 vs. 699 Pro test was as even as I could make it. Looks (10 out of 10 points) I love the looks of the 699 Pros. In my opinion, they have the perfect blend of clean but interesting design. The hollow/filled body design gives them a blade-like look (no cavity), even though technologically they’re a far cry from being a blade. Size-wise, they were actually somewhat bigger than I expected (thought they’re certainly not huge.) Here are a couple of pictures comparing the PW, 7, and 5 irons to the my current G700s and my previous Adams XTD Tour irons. I’ve yet to find someone who dislikes the look of these irons, and I’d be hard pressed to make any suggestions for anything to change. Sound & Feel (9 out of 10 points) The G700s are loud. They’re not outrageously offensive: they don’t have a high-pitched sound. But their crack is more like a hybrid than an iron, which isn’t shocking, given their hollow-bodied construction. By contrast, whatever goo Sub 70 filled the 699 Pros with does its job admirably. I noticed this even more this weekend doing my last head-to-head numbers gathering in my garage. Switching back and forth from the G700s to the 699 Pros made it clear just how much better the 699s sounded. As for feel: my understanding is that sound and feel are quite closely linked. But I’d add that the feel feedback on mishit shots is very good with the 699 Pros. I had immediate tactile confirmation off shots hit low on the face, or toward the heel or the toe (I had plenty of testing of this). I’m going with a 9/10 here simply because I assume that 10s are reserved for a pure forged blade. But I have no complaints on the sound or feel of these irons. Basic Characteristics (19 out of 20 points) I’ve done less practice this year than I have in past years; most of my golf time was spent on the course, rather than in my garage. For that reason, I did far less simulator work with the 699 Pros than I anticipated; I will definitely continue to be practicing with them this offseason, and will update this thread will further observations. But doing a comparison of the PW, 7, and 5 irons this past weekend, the numbers check out mostly where you’d expect. The 699 Pros retain most of the ball speed of the hollow bodied G700s, which is awesome. I had definitely picked up distance when I switched from the Adams irons to the G700s, and while we all know about loft-jacking, it’s still hard to give up distance. With the 699 Pros, I am giving up very little. It’s also consistent with expectations to see the 699 Pros launching slightly lower than the G700s and with more spin. What is very interesting to me is to see the peak height and the descent angles virtually identical: the 699 Pros launch lower, but rise to the same height of the G700s, dropping at the same angle but with more spin. This is a recipe for better distance control. For reference: PW, 7 iron, and 5 iron are the G700; PW#2, 7 iron#2, and 5 iron#2 are the 699 Pros: I think you could make the case that the 699 Pros have a somewhat tighter landing area, although the G700 7 iron beat the 699 in that department: I will add this: I discarded outlier shots for this test. For a fitting, keeping bad shots in the data is important. But for a review, discarding them is important, because you don't care about my misses, you care about the performance of the club. It may well be that it was because I did this comparison at the end of the testing period, when I was comfortable with the 699 Pros, but I had to discard far fewer shots with the Sub 70s. On-Course Performance (28 out of 30 points) If you followed my posts through this thread, you’ll know that putting the 699 Pros in my bag didn’t revolutionize my game. I hit about the same number of greens as ever. My handicap didn't move much, and where it did, it was from improvement in facets of my game other than approach play. But that's just the point: my game didn't suffer, even though I was switching from a giant super game improvement iron to a much more svelte player's distance iron. I haven't read yet the other guys' final reviews yet (I wanted to write mine first), but I want to make an observation about this review thread. By some standards, it wasn't the most exciting thread. On the one hand, I regret that a little; I was hoping that this would be one of those threads that exploded and became a hub of activity. But it seems to me that in all three of our cases, we slid the 699 Pros into our bags and right away, the clubs just did what we wanted from them. Honestly, I think that says a lot about the quality of these irons. They are not going to have all the advertising buzz of the major OEMs. But if you know that you want to play a player's distance iron, and you put these in the bag, I think you're going to find that they do exactly what you want them to do. As I've said, my own performance was largely unchanged. I still miss a lot of greens, and I miss most of them short. That calls for a change of strategy on my part, not a change of iron. I'm going into this off-season with plans to improve, and one of the areas of improvement is going to be course management. But let's say this: looking at the SkyTrak numbers above, I think I'm going to have better success predicting the outcomes of an iron swing with the 699 Pro than I would with the G700s, simply because of the spin rate paired with the same descent angle. Miscellaneous (10 out of 10 points) I can’t say enough about how good my experience has been with Sub 70’s support team. Not only was Jason impressive in my initial call with him, but the quality of the Sub 70 irons has given me confidence to place another Sub 70 order: I’ve replaced all my Cleveland wedges with Sub 70s. I order from Sub 70s used club selection. Two items here are worth recounting. First, Jason was willing to throw in items I needed to order from one of his other companies (Diamond Tour) in my Sub 70 order box, to help save on shipping. That was impressive. But as I was placing the phone order for the used wedges, Jason asked if I wanted any loft or lie adjustments done to them. Remember, this is a set of used wedges. I hadn’t even thought to ask. The guys at Sub 70 bent the wedges a degree flat (something I’ve wanted to try for years) at no additional charge. This is a company worth doing business with. I might need to give their armlock putter a spin at some point. Play it or Trade it? (20 out of 20 points) These are in the bag. I’m seeing from them all the good things I got from the SGI G700s, but in a much more appealing package, both visually and audibly. And all of this from a company that is a sheer joy to work with. Obviously, for the review purposes, I didn’t pay for these. But it is hard to imagine paying nearly twice as much for the TaylorMade P790 when these are available. I understand why someone would: the wide availability of in person fitting, perhaps resale value, etc. But if your goal is to get on the course with a great, good-looking iron set that checks all the boxes of this category of iron, I can’t recommend these irons more highly. Final Score: (96 out of 100 points) pozzit, edingc, JFish350 and 12 others 15 Quote TS3 9.5°, Tensei Blue CBX T3 15°, Project X HZRDUS Black Epic Super Hybrid 18°, Aerotech Steel Fiber FC HYB S C722 21°, Ventus Blue 8S CBX Iron-Wood 25°, Project X HZRDUS Black 6.0 639 CB, Aldila NV 95 Graphite, 6–PW CBX 48° T22 54° and 60° EAS 4.0, Garsen G-Pro grip TP5x and Tour Response Full WITB with pictures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GolfSpy MPR Posted July 24, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2020 Let me kick things off here. First, I'm really excited about this test for reasons over and above the cool feeling of getting new clubs. Jason Hiland, the founder of @GolfSub70, has been part of my golfing life nearly since I really got sucked into the game 8 or so years ago. I've always been in the "not rich guy playing a rich guys' sport" end of things, and so I was delighted to find one of Jason's earlier companies, Diamond Tour Golf. They make a variety of clone clubs, and I've built multiple sets from them for a fraction of the cost of the big OEMs. Diamond Tour not only sucked me deeper into playing golf, but into the joys of tinkering and club work. And they still provide what might be the best bargain in junior golf: I basically build Kirke a custom set of their junior clubs each year. So for me, testing Sub 70 is like coming back to an old friend, even though Sub 70 is a relatively new company. For me, they start with a leg up: I know firsthand that Jason is capable of putting out quality components that don't have the same costs as the big OEMs. _______________________ Some about me stuff: I've written a lot of this in other threads here, so I'll keep this short. I'm a perfectly mediocre golfer. Driver swing speed in the mid-to-upper 90s. Handicap (as of this morning) around 11. I make lots of bogeys, a few pars, and that summarizes most of my rounds. As of now, my short game and putting have continued to get better and better; that is now the strength of my game. The biggest weakness is driving. In between is my approach play. I tend to hit my irons well, but on my home course, that's not enough: the greens are exceedingly tiny, and so increasing my GIRs has been a struggle for me. _______________________ Why I'm interested in this test: my PING G700s and I have had a nice run. But a few months ago, I listened to a podcast with one of PING's engineers, and he was talking about the effects of blade length on player consistency. Check out an excerpt from that here: Fascinating, no? Considering that those are my irons he's holding as examples of the biggest irons, I really wanted to see if I might see some improvements in my game going back to a smaller iron. But...who wants to give up the distance gains of an iron like the G700s? Enter the players-distance category iron! In this category, we have irons like some of the PXG flagships, the PING i500s, and the TaylorMade P790. Generally compact heads, most often hollow and then filled with some substance to make them sound less offensive. These seemed right in the sweet spot of what I would desire most. Except the price: yikes! Not even counting PXG doing PXG things, the price of this kind of manufacturing is almost certainly higher than a standard iron. So the idea of Sub 70, a company that I already have a soft spot for, putting out an iron in the class of irons that I'm interested in: yep, count me in. So what do I want to see with this test? How much distance drop-off is there going from an SGI iron like the G700 to the 699 Pro? Is there a compensating increase in control, both laterally and in consistent distance? I'm at the higher end of the recommended handicap for these irons: are they too much for me? And bottom line: are these going to help me with my long-running quest to break into a single-figure handicap? newballcoach, fixyurdivot, edingc and 24 others 27 Quote TS3 9.5°, Tensei Blue CBX T3 15°, Project X HZRDUS Black Epic Super Hybrid 18°, Aerotech Steel Fiber FC HYB S C722 21°, Ventus Blue 8S CBX Iron-Wood 25°, Project X HZRDUS Black 6.0 639 CB, Aldila NV 95 Graphite, 6–PW CBX 48° T22 54° and 60° EAS 4.0, Garsen G-Pro grip TP5x and Tour Response Full WITB with pictures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjay0808 Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, GolfSpy MPR said: Let me kick things off here. First, I'm really excited about this test for reasons over and above the cool feeling of getting new clubs. Jason Hiland, the founder of @GolfSub70, has been part of my golfing life nearly since I really got sucked into the game 8 or so years ago. I've always been in the "not rich guy playing a rich guys' sport" end of things, and so I was delighted to find one of Jason's earlier companies, Diamond Tour Golf. They make a variety of clone clubs, and I've built multiple sets from them for a fraction of the cost of the big OEMs. Diamond Tour not only sucked me deeper into playing golf, but into the joys of tinkering and club work. And they still provide what might be the best bargain in junior golf: I basically build Kirke a custom set of their junior clubs each year. So for me, testing Sub 70 is like coming back to an old friend, even though Sub 70 is a relatively new company. For me, they start with a leg up: I know firsthand that Jason is capable of putting out quality components that don't have the same costs as the big OEMs. _______________________ Some about me stuff: I've written a lot of this in other threads here, so I'll keep this short. I'm a perfectly mediocre golfer. Driver swing speed in the mid-to-upper 90s. Handicap (as of this morning) around 11. I make lots of bogeys, a few pars, and that summarizes most of my rounds. As of now, my short game and putting have continued to get better and better; that is now the strength of my game. The biggest weakness is driving. In between is my approach play. I tend to hit my irons well, but on my home course, that's not enough: the greens are exceedingly tiny, and so increasing my GIRs has been a struggle for me. _______________________ Why I'm interested in this test: my PING G700s and I have had a nice run. But a few months ago, I listened to a podcast with one of PING's engineers, and he was talking about the effects of blade length on player consistency. Check out an excerpt from that here: Fascinating, no? Considering that those are my irons he's holding as examples of the biggest irons, I really wanted to see if I might see some improvements in my game going back to a smaller iron. But...who wants to give up the distance gains of an iron like the G700s? Enter the players-distance category iron! In this category, we have irons like some of the PXG flagships, the PING i500s, and the TaylorMade P790. Generally compact heads, most often hollow and then filled with some substance to make them sound less offensive. These seemed right in the sweet spot of what I would desire most. Except the price: yikes! Not even counting PXG doing PXG things, the price of this kind of manufacturing is almost certainly higher than a standard iron. So the idea of Sub 70, a company that I already have a soft spot for, putting out an iron in the class of irons that I'm interested in: yep, count me in. So what do I want to see with this test? How much distance drop-off is there going from an SGI iron like the G700 to the 699 Pro? Is there a compensating increase in control, both laterally and in consistent distance? I'm at the higher end of the recommended handicap for these irons: are they too much for me? And bottom line: are these going to help me with my long-running quest to break into a single-figure handicap? Going to be keeping a close eye on this test as the Player's Distance Category has grown over the last 3-4 years. golfingbrock, golfish!, sirchunksalot and 2 others 5 Quote In my bag: Driver: Rogue ST Triple Diamond LS 10.5* (set to 9.5) UST Lin-Q Gunmetal 6f5 Wood: Tsi2 15* Project X RDX Black 70 6.5 Hybrids: King Utility 19.5* Diamana Tensei White Pro 90TX Irons: Cobra King Tour MIM 4-PW Dynamic Gold 120 X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 3 50*, 54*, 58* Tour Issue S400 Putter: Nashville Z1C 34" Ball: Pro V1x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfingbrock Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 1 hour ago, GolfSpy MPR said: Let me kick things off here. First, I'm really excited about this test for reasons over and above the cool feeling of getting new clubs. Jason Hiland, the founder of @GolfSub70, has been part of my golfing life nearly since I really got sucked into the game 8 or so years ago. I've always been in the "not rich guy playing a rich guys' sport" end of things, and so I was delighted to find one of Jason's earlier companies, Diamond Tour Golf. They make a variety of clone clubs, and I've built multiple sets from them for a fraction of the cost of the big OEMs. Diamond Tour not only sucked me deeper into playing golf, but into the joys of tinkering and club work. And they still provide what might be the best bargain in junior golf: I basically build Kirke a custom set of their junior clubs each year. So for me, testing Sub 70 is like coming back to an old friend, even though Sub 70 is a relatively new company. For me, they start with a leg up: I know firsthand that Jason is capable of putting out quality components that don't have the same costs as the big OEMs. _______________________ Some about me stuff: I've written a lot of this in other threads here, so I'll keep this short. I'm a perfectly mediocre golfer. Driver swing speed in the mid-to-upper 90s. Handicap (as of this morning) around 11. I make lots of bogeys, a few pars, and that summarizes most of my rounds. As of now, my short game and putting have continued to get better and better; that is now the strength of my game. The biggest weakness is driving. In between is my approach play. I tend to hit my irons well, but on my home course, that's not enough: the greens are exceedingly tiny, and so increasing my GIRs has been a struggle for me. _______________________ Why I'm interested in this test: my PING G700s and I have had a nice run. But a few months ago, I listened to a podcast with one of PING's engineers, and he was talking about the effects of blade length on player consistency. Check out an excerpt from that here: Fascinating, no? Considering that those are my irons he's holding as examples of the biggest irons, I really wanted to see if I might see some improvements in my game going back to a smaller iron. But...who wants to give up the distance gains of an iron like the G700s? Enter the players-distance category iron! In this category, we have irons like some of the PXG flagships, the PING i500s, and the TaylorMade P790. Generally compact heads, most often hollow and then filled with some substance to make them sound less offensive. These seemed right in the sweet spot of what I would desire most. Except the price: yikes! Not even counting PXG doing PXG things, the price of this kind of manufacturing is almost certainly higher than a standard iron. So the idea of Sub 70, a company that I already have a soft spot for, putting out an iron in the class of irons that I'm interested in: yep, count me in. So what do I want to see with this test? How much distance drop-off is there going from an SGI iron like the G700 to the 699 Pro? Is there a compensating increase in control, both laterally and in consistent distance? I'm at the higher end of the recommended handicap for these irons: are they too much for me? And bottom line: are these going to help me with my long-running quest to break into a single-figure handicap? I've had my Sub 70 639CB's alittle over a month and I'm thrilled w/ the quality, plus the customer service is top notch from Jason and the team. The Players distance irons aren't for everyone, but they are an important niche in helping a large group play better and enjoy golf more. From others I know that have these irons, I think you're in for a treat! cciciora13, GolfSpy MPR, Nunfa0 and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: Honma TR20 440 8.5° w/ Vizard FP-7X SHAFT - REVIEW POSTED 3 Wood: Adams TightLies Titanium 3+ - Shaft Bassara E55 x5ct Hybrid: Taylormade RBZ 2. 16.5°- Stock Shaft- Stiff Irons: SUB70 639 CB 4-PW w/ Nippon Modus 120 X-STIFF Wedges: GW: SUB70 Raw 48° Mizuno Mp series 52 SW: Cleveland RTX 2.0 56° LW: Mizuno JPX 900 60° Putter: Odyssey White Ice Sabertooth- Superstroke Slim 3.0 grip Bag: Taylormade FlexTech Lifestyle Carry bag- Houndstooth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBT Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Let me kick things off here. First, I'm really excited about this test for reasons over and above the cool feeling of getting new clubs. Jason Hiland, the founder of [mention=76062]GolfSub70[/mention], has been part of my golfing life nearly since I really got sucked into the game 8 or so years ago. I've always been in the "not rich guy playing a rich guys' sport" end of things, and so I was delighted to find one of Jason's earlier companies, Diamond Tour Golf. They make a variety of clone clubs, and I've built multiple sets from them for a fraction of the cost of the big OEMs. Diamond Tour not only sucked me deeper into playing golf, but into the joys of tinkering and club work. And they still provide what might be the best bargain in junior golf: I basically build Kirke a custom set of their junior clubs each year. So for me, testing Sub 70 is like coming back to an old friend, even though Sub 70 is a relatively new company. For me, they start with a leg up: I know firsthand that Jason is capable of putting out quality components that don't have the same costs as the big OEMs. _______________________ Some about me stuff: I've written a lot of this in other threads here, so I'll keep this short. I'm a perfectly mediocre golfer. Driver swing speed in the mid-to-upper 90s. Handicap (as of this morning) around 11. I make lots of bogeys, a few pars, and that summarizes most of my rounds. As of now, my short game and putting have continued to get better and better; that is now the strength of my game. The biggest weakness is driving. In between is my approach play. I tend to hit my irons well, but on my home course, that's not enough: the greens are exceedingly tiny, and so increasing my GIRs has been a struggle for me. _______________________ Why I'm interested in this test: my PING G700s and I have had a nice run. But a few months ago, I listened to a podcast with one of PING's engineers, and he was talking about the effects of blade length on player consistency. Check out an excerpt from that here: [/url] Fascinating, no? Considering that those are my irons he's holding as examples of the biggest irons, I really wanted to see if I might see some improvements in my game going back to a smaller iron. But...who wants to give up the distance gains of an iron like the G700s? Enter the players-distance category iron! In this category, we have irons like some of the PXG flagships, the PING i500s, and the TaylorMade P790. Generally compact heads, most often hollow and then filled with some substance to make them sound less offensive. These seemed right in the sweet spot of what I would desire most. Except the price: yikes! Not even counting PXG doing PXG things, the price of this kind of manufacturing is almost certainly higher than a standard iron. So the idea of Sub 70, a company that I already have a soft spot for, putting out an iron in the class of irons that I'm interested in: yep, count me in. So what do I want to see with this test? How much distance drop-off is there going from an SGI iron like the G700 to the 699 Pro? Is there a compensating increase in control, both laterally and in consistent distance? I'm at the higher end of the recommended handicap for these irons: are they too much for me? And bottom line: are these going to help me with my long-running quest to break into a single-figure handicap? Great start! You actually hit on several things that I am interested in.The blade length has been something I have read about and thought about. Several years ago I played a set of Bridgestone J40 DPC’s, a much small blade than my current Cobra F7’s.When I was striking the ball well there was no better feeling and the results were amazing! But, mishits were punishing.So I’ll be interested to see how you and the others do with the smaller profile iron.How much distance do you give up, if any?How is the dispersion?How much do you lose on mishits?Is there a big difference between a toe miss and a heel miss?What about thin shots?SGI irons cover up a lot of misses....how does the 699 Pros handle those.These are on my short list for new irons so I’ll be following along closely.Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy sirchunksalot, GolfSpy MPR, Nunfa0 and 3 others 6 Quote XR Driver Matrix Ozik 8m3 Black Tie Shaft King F7 3W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft King F7 5W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft King F7 4 Hybrid Graphite Designs Tour AD-HY 95 Shaft PXG 0211 DC 5-PW Mitsubishi MMT 80 Shafts RTX ZIPCORE 50*,54*,58* UST Mamiya Recoil 95 Shafts Metal X Milled #7 with SuperStroke 2.0 grip MTB Twitter: @timldotson Instagram: timldotson Facebook: TimDotson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smellis745 Posted July 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2020 Afternoon everyone, I figured with the thunderstorm rolling in, it’d be a great time to type up my intro to this test... A little bit about me.. My game is like that of many ams, hinging off successful tee shots. If I can keep it out of trouble off the tee, I’ll most likely have a decent day. I’m a decent iron player, but my miss is definitely toe side and then short. My short game is decent with some days being better than others. My current trend is at 3.5 and has been working down ever so slightly this summer. My last Trackman session had me averaging 115.2 chs with driver and 94.1 with my 7 iron. My averages over the past 14 rounds has been... 2.9 birdies or better 8.9 pars 5.6 bogeys And... .6 doubles or worse My GIR average over this same period is 11/18 and as averages go, that’s average. That leads me to what I’m excited about with this test. I do fairly well in the income department, but am by no means rich. I work hard to support my family and my wants come last. For the past few months, I’ve been wanting a new set of irons. Something slightly more forgiving on my misses. I’ve been shopping and had my eyes on a few different sets. I mostly play Srixon Z745 irons but will throw in a set of Z965s on occasion. To be honest, I can’t really tell my difference between the two as it relates to “forgiveness”. Both are pretty demanding that you put a good swing together. All that to say, the Sub 70 699 Pro is one I’ve had my eye on. The problem being, actually getting one in hand to test. But then, MGS puts this amazing test and review opportunity together and the I guess the light shown on me. Sub 70 is definitely a growing BTC type business and I have heard nothing but great things regarding their craftsmanship and customer service. Quote I spoke with Jason earlier today (great guy who loves the game of golf) and have a set of black 699 Pro 4-P with KBS Tour X on the way. I know these are “player distance” irons and distance is not something I struggle with so it’s going to be interesting to see how these compare to my current gamers. What I hope to see though, is that distances won’t be that different, ball speeds on my miss hits won’t drop near as much, and consistent spin rates throughout the set. I know a lot of it hinges on me, but I’d love to see some improvement in my approach game as well. I know a lot of that hinges on my swing, but hopefully a more forgiving iron will help as well. I look forward to this review opportunity and will do my very best to answer any and all questions as accurately as I can. TBT, MDGolfHacker, revkev and 11 others 14 Quote PXG 0811X Gen 4 7.5* - Graphite Design Tour AD-HD 7 TX TaylorMade M6 15* - PX HZRDUS Green 80 TX Titleist 913 Fd 18* - MCA KuroKage XMS 90 X /// OR /// Callaway XForged UT 20* - Aldila Rogue Black 105 TX Srixon Z745 4-P - PX LZ 7.0 Vokey SM7 49F / 53F / 58K - DG TI S400 Odyssey Black #3 34” Titleist AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom the Golf Nut Posted July 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 24, 2020 Well, I still can't wipe the smile off my face from being selected as a tester. What an awesome opportunity. I live up to my user name but luckily for me my wife doesn't mind. I think there is more pressure doing this testing than going in the store and buying off the rack. I have always been a standard fit so it was no big deal. (or so I thought ) more to follow shortly. Some insight I started playing golf when I was 30. Got hooked! took a group lesson early on, watched video's, built greens, pieced together a simulator, hitting nets, swing jacket, Zepp swing sensor, orange whip and almost anything you can think of to improve my game. So 30 years later I am at a 2.5 handicap mostly achieved on my own. Back about 13 years ago my wife landed a job at a Country Club as the book keeper which fortunately for me comes with membership. So I play a lot of golf. Six years ago I also moved into a Sales Manager position. Yes more golf with customers. Being a better player in the company I also get to play in many customer golf tournaments and charity golf events. (have one next Friday) Did I mention I play a lot of golf! This testing will be very interesting to me. I always played game improvement irons. Why mess with a good thing right? Will going to a players iron negatively effect my handicap? Was I always hitting the sweet spot or did the game improvement features hide my imperfections? Will the ball move more than I'm used to due to hitting an iron that can work the ball? Something I'm not used to. Wondering about the feedback feel compared to the game improvement covering this up for the most part. Will I kick myself in the butt for not going to a players iron sooner? So here we are on Day 1 Just got off the phone with Jason at Sub 70 for my phone fitting. Before the call I took the on line fitting quiz. It asks for your height, wrist to floor measurement with golf shoes on, average driver distance, and distance you hit a 7 iron. So it came back with + 1/4 in iron length, + 2* lie. So I thought I was prepared for the phone call. No wait, let me run down to the basement and check my swing on a lie board. I see that my typical impact was more toward the toe. Why I didn't do this years ago is unknown. So I get on the phone with Jason and I told him I went through the fitting quiz. Then he started asking me questions. "Do you draw or fade the irons?" I hit the straight Then we are not changing the lie angle. I told Jason my lie board results showed my impact to be more toward the toe. So he recommended we go with the + 1/4 " on length. Then he asked if I wanted satin or black? I asked if the black would hold up well. Then we got into soil conditions on the golf courses I play. He asked are they sandy type soil, regular dirt type, clay. He suggested I get the satin for the typical clay in my area. We decided on the type of shaft based on my request to gain more trajectory. I typically hit a lower ball. So I was fit to the KBS Tour 90 in regular flex. Then got into the golf grip. I'm a midsize. Finally the set makeup 4 to pitch or 5 to gap. I went with the 5 to gap as I switch over to a hybrid for the 4. Jason was great and understanding on the fitting process and congratulated me on being chosen and was looking forward to my honest reviews. I should have these in about a week. I can't wait. AcesAndHoles, Golfspy_CG2, MaxEntropy and 17 others 20 Quote Driver, TSi 1 S Flex 3 wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 5 wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 7 Wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 5 Hybrid King Tec MMT R Flex Irons, Tour UST Recoil 95 R Flex (6 - Gap) Wedges, Snakebite KBS Hi- Rev2.0 54* & 60* Agera 35" Ultralight 14-way Cart Bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nunfa0 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Congrats to all the testers and excellent starting posts!! Looking forward to following you all on your journey. GolfSpy MPR, sirchunksalot, GolfSpy_APH and 2 others 5 Quote In my cart Bag: Driver: King F9 9° - LH - Atmos Blue TS 6 Stiff Woods: King F9 - LH - 3/4 Wood - Atmos Blue 7 Reg Z U85 2 Iron Irons: T200 4 Iron AMT White S300 T100S - LH - 3-48* - AMT White S300 Wedges: Indi FLX- LH - 52° 56° 60° - True Temper Spinner Wedge shafts Putter: 2 Bar Hybrid Ball: Pro V1x Testing: Haywood CB/MB Combo Iron Set, 4-7 Cavity backs, 8-PW Muscle Backs, True Temper Dynamic Gold 105 Stiff, 2 Degrees stronger lofts. Tracked By: Follow me on Twitter @ham12_hampton and on Instagram @Nunfa0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBT Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Great starts from all of you!I see both of you ended up with KBS shafts and that’s their standard offering, where you allowed to chose any shaft in the catalog or did they try to keep you in the KBS?I will be really interested to see how Tom fares with players iron. I was very interested in this testing but I think the Pros might be a little too much Club for me right now. But I’m definitely interested in some of their other offerings so I will be following this closely.Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy GolfSpy MPR, sirchunksalot and Nunfa0 3 Quote XR Driver Matrix Ozik 8m3 Black Tie Shaft King F7 3W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft King F7 5W UST Mamiya Chrome Elements 7F4 Shaft King F7 4 Hybrid Graphite Designs Tour AD-HY 95 Shaft PXG 0211 DC 5-PW Mitsubishi MMT 80 Shafts RTX ZIPCORE 50*,54*,58* UST Mamiya Recoil 95 Shafts Metal X Milled #7 with SuperStroke 2.0 grip MTB Twitter: @timldotson Instagram: timldotson Facebook: TimDotson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom the Golf Nut Posted July 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2020 1 hour ago, TBT said: Great starts from all of you! I see both of you ended up with KBS shafts and that’s their standard offering, where you allowed to chose any shaft in the catalog or did they try to keep you in the KBS? I will be really interested to see how Tom fares with players iron. I was very interested in this testing but I think the Pros might be a little too much Club for me right now. But I’m definitely interested in some of their other offerings so I will be following this closely. Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy There were many shaft choice and Jason offered to install anything I wanted. But after discussing my need to launch the ball higher he suggested the KBS as it had a higher launch. My current shafts in my irons are a uniflex shaft which is between a regular and stiff flex. His suggestion to go to a regular flex would also help the launch angles. I also use a Golf Pride CP 2 Pro midsize grip. That was not a choice on the website, but Jason said he had them and would put those on. It's only been a day since my order was put in and I am already antsy. I've already started on a test plan. I have a FlightScope Mevo so I will be able to get some good data. Nunfa0, sirchunksalot, cciciora13 and 7 others 10 Quote Driver, TSi 1 S Flex 3 wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 5 wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 7 Wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 5 Hybrid King Tec MMT R Flex Irons, Tour UST Recoil 95 R Flex (6 - Gap) Wedges, Snakebite KBS Hi- Rev2.0 54* & 60* Agera 35" Ultralight 14-way Cart Bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GolfSpy MPR Posted July 25, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 25, 2020 More details coming, but got my call from Jason this morning: I'll have a post or two on how I plan to test these clubs, and then if all goes to plan, an unboxing video in the near future! Zen Snake, TBT, THEZIPR23 and 10 others 13 Quote TS3 9.5°, Tensei Blue CBX T3 15°, Project X HZRDUS Black Epic Super Hybrid 18°, Aerotech Steel Fiber FC HYB S C722 21°, Ventus Blue 8S CBX Iron-Wood 25°, Project X HZRDUS Black 6.0 639 CB, Aldila NV 95 Graphite, 6–PW CBX 48° T22 54° and 60° EAS 4.0, Garsen G-Pro grip TP5x and Tour Response Full WITB with pictures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nunfa0 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 How good do they look!! sirchunksalot and GolfSpy MPR 2 Quote In my cart Bag: Driver: King F9 9° - LH - Atmos Blue TS 6 Stiff Woods: King F9 - LH - 3/4 Wood - Atmos Blue 7 Reg Z U85 2 Iron Irons: T200 4 Iron AMT White S300 T100S - LH - 3-48* - AMT White S300 Wedges: Indi FLX- LH - 52° 56° 60° - True Temper Spinner Wedge shafts Putter: 2 Bar Hybrid Ball: Pro V1x Testing: Haywood CB/MB Combo Iron Set, 4-7 Cavity backs, 8-PW Muscle Backs, True Temper Dynamic Gold 105 Stiff, 2 Degrees stronger lofts. Tracked By: Follow me on Twitter @ham12_hampton and on Instagram @Nunfa0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sluggo42 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Congrats testers, and I’m excited to see some low indexers in the mix. I’m a little familiar with the Sub70’s and Jason, and these clubs hold the most interest for me, so pretty excited to hear all about them. good luck and “let’s get it on”!! Nunfa0, sirchunksalot, MDGolfHacker and 2 others 5 Quote TSr2 on tensi blue stiff Speedzone 3-wood on Tensi blue S Epic Max 5 and 7 woods on HZRDUS Reg flex Paradym 9 wood on HZRDUS reg flex P770 / P790 combo set on Ventus R-6 shafts 6-AW T22 Denim Copper 54°, 58° on Kinetic X Trajectory ER3 or, E.A.S. #4 (“Fang” or “Adele”) ProV1x, or, Maxfli Tour X .Org 14 cart bag Adidas Tour 360 , or Sketcher shoes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cciciora13 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Congrats to all testers, looking forward to all your reviews! I have had my Sub70 699 irons now for about 2 months and I love them. I went with 699 vs 699 pro after I demoed them, just for the minor increase in forgiveness in the 699 and the fact that I rarely try to work the ball. I went with the KBS tour 90 stiff shaft and my ball flight and trajectory is more penetrating with improved height. Jason and his team are phenomenal and I called him about 4-5 times to make sure everything was correct before I ordered. Welcome to the #SubClub! Excited to see how they perform for you. golfish!, sirchunksalot, GolfSpy MPR and 1 other 4 Quote In my bag: Driver: Ben Hogan GS53 10.5* Stiff Mitsubishi tensei blue Stiff 3 Wood: 939 x 15 deg. UST Proforce Black V2 7F4 stiff Hybrid: 939x Hybrid UST 680 recoil shaft stiff Irons: 699 irons 4-PW KBS tour 90 v Stiff 50 Deg: TAIII Satin 54 deg: TAIII Satin 58 Deg: TAIII Satin Putter: 004 Single Bend Masters Edition Rangefinder: Caddytek V2 Check out my MyGolfSpy 2020 Forum Official Tester: Ben Hogan GS53 Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy MPR Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 What am I looking for from the Sub 70 699 Pro irons? Part 1: Shot tracking I'm going to set up my testing procedures for the Sub 70 irons in two categories: on-course performance and launch monitor numbers. Here, I want to set up a baseline for the performance of my current irons, the PING G700s. This year, I switched from Game Golf to Arccos for my stat collection. The two systems send mixed messages about the quality of my approach game (though both give me roughly the same overall handicap). Game Golf tells me my approach play is roughly at the level of a high single-digit player; Arccos says it's more at the level of a 15 handicap. That's a pretty broad disparity, obviously—especially relatively: Game Golf says my approach play is a strength relative to my overall handicap, whereas Arccos tells me that it's holding my handicap back. I suspect the difference is that Arccos gives greater weight to hitting greens, whereas Game Golf is more concerned with proximity to the hole. I've written about this elsewhere on this site: the greens at my home course are very, very small (on average, about 2,400 sq ft). Practically, then, while GG might be more encouraging, Arccos is going to end up better reflecting the actual scoring potential that I have on my course. I might have hit an OK shot that finished 35 feet from the pin (from 100-125 yards, J. B. Holmes is last on the Tour with an average proximity of almost 30'), but because the greens are 50x50, I'm still chipping. My average greens in regulation hovers around 25%; it's really hard to score well with that percentage. Here's my Arccos GIR and proximity numbers for my last 10 rounds: And here are the current Arccos distance ranges that I hit each club: For this test, I'm obviously looking for any distance increase from the 699 Pros over the G700s. The 699s are slightly weaker in lofts (about 1° on each club). I am hoping for tighter dispersion numbers and (correspondingly) higher GIR numbers. In my next post, I'll lay down some baseline SkyTrak numbers with my current irons and suggest some targets that I'm hoping to see the 699s hit. Nunfa0, sirchunksalot, Thin2win and 5 others 8 Quote TS3 9.5°, Tensei Blue CBX T3 15°, Project X HZRDUS Black Epic Super Hybrid 18°, Aerotech Steel Fiber FC HYB S C722 21°, Ventus Blue 8S CBX Iron-Wood 25°, Project X HZRDUS Black 6.0 639 CB, Aldila NV 95 Graphite, 6–PW CBX 48° T22 54° and 60° EAS 4.0, Garsen G-Pro grip TP5x and Tour Response Full WITB with pictures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy_SHARK Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, GolfSpy MPR said: What am I looking for from the Sub 70 699 Pro irons? Part 1: Shot tracking I'm going to set up my testing procedures for the Sub 70 irons in two categories: on-course performance and launch monitor numbers. Here, I want to set up a baseline for the performance of my current irons, the PING G700s. This year, I switched from Game Golf to Arccos for my stat collection. The two systems send mixed messages about the quality of my approach game (though both give me roughly the same overall handicap). Game Golf tells me my approach play is roughly at the level of a high single-digit player; Arccos says it's more at the level of a 15 handicap. That's a pretty broad disparity, obviously—especially relatively: Game Golf says my approach play is a strength relative to my overall handicap, whereas Arccos tells me that it's holding my handicap back. I suspect the difference is that Arccos gives greater weight to hitting greens, whereas Game Golf is more concerned with proximity to the hole. I've written about this elsewhere on this site: the greens at my home course are very, very small (on average, about 2,400 sq ft). Practically, then, while GG might be more encouraging, Arccos is going to end up better reflecting the actual scoring potential that I have on my course. I might have hit an OK shot that finished 35 feet from the pin (from 100-125 yards, J. B. Holmes is last on the Tour with an average proximity of almost 30'), but because the greens are 50x50, I'm still chipping. My average greens in regulation hovers around 25%; it's really hard to score well with that percentage. Here's my Arccos GIR and proximity numbers for my last 10 rounds: And here are the current Arccos distance ranges that I hit each club: For this test, I'm obviously looking for any distance increase from the 699 Pros over the G700s. The 699s are slightly weaker in lofts (about 1° on each club). I am hoping for tighter dispersion numbers and (correspondingly) higher GIR numbers. In my next post, I'll lay down some baseline SkyTrak numbers with my current irons and suggest some targets that I'm hoping to see the 699s hit. Good data here. Arccos is very eye opening I think. GolfSpy MPR, sirchunksalot and Nunfa0 3 Quote Check out my reviews: G710 Irons Official Review I MC Shaft & V Series Putter Official Review 2022 Forged Tec's Official Review I Nitron Push Cart Official Review WITB: Weapons of grass destruction (link to WITB) Traverse is filled with all this shiny metal and tracked by RadSpeed 8* - MotoreX F1 6X SIM 3W - Project X HZRDUS Green U505 Driving Iron 17* - Project X HZRDUS Black SpeedZone 4H - Project X HZRDUS Black 2022 King Forged Tec's 4-PW - KBS $ Tape 130 48 (SM8), 52 & 60 (SM7) - Nippon Modus 125 S ER2VI PROV1X #19 Are you a veteran? Check out the Veterans Golf Association (VGA) Thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom the Golf Nut Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 hour ago, GolfSpy MPR said: What am I looking for from the Sub 70 699 Pro irons? Part 1: Shot tracking I'm going to set up my testing procedures for the Sub 70 irons in two categories: on-course performance and launch monitor numbers. Here, I want to set up a baseline for the performance of my current irons, the PING G700s. This year, I switched from Game Golf to Arccos for my stat collection. The two systems send mixed messages about the quality of my approach game (though both give me roughly the same overall handicap). Game Golf tells me my approach play is roughly at the level of a high single-digit player; Arccos says it's more at the level of a 15 handicap. That's a pretty broad disparity, obviously—especially relatively: Game Golf says my approach play is a strength relative to my overall handicap, whereas Arccos tells me that it's holding my handicap back. I suspect the difference is that Arccos gives greater weight to hitting greens, whereas Game Golf is more concerned with proximity to the hole. I've written about this elsewhere on this site: the greens at my home course are very, very small (on average, about 2,400 sq ft). Practically, then, while GG might be more encouraging, Arccos is going to end up better reflecting the actual scoring potential that I have on my course. I might have hit an OK shot that finished 35 feet from the pin (from 100-125 yards, J. B. Holmes is last on the Tour with an average proximity of almost 30'), but because the greens are 50x50, I'm still chipping. My average greens in regulation hovers around 25%; it's really hard to score well with that percentage. Here's my Arccos GIR and proximity numbers for my last 10 rounds: And here are the current Arccos distance ranges that I hit each club: For this test, I'm obviously looking for any distance increase from the 699 Pros over the G700s. The 699s are slightly weaker in lofts (about 1° on each club). I am hoping for tighter dispersion numbers and (correspondingly) higher GIR numbers. In my next post, I'll lay down some baseline SkyTrak numbers with my current irons and suggest some targets that I'm hoping to see the 699s hit. I don't want to get off topic but I have a question regarding the data collection. I have not used either system but I am wondering about the distance variation. Yes we can all hit a few poor shots, but I am questioning the logic in the programs. I play on a hilly course or should I say a very hilly course. As an example, if I have 125 yards into a green I would hit a pitching wedge. In this example I have a severe upslope and I am on the slope hitting into the green. In order to get the ball 125 yards I now need to hit a 9 iron which is 140 yards for me. Wouldn't the distance tracking always be showing you short or long on uphill and down hill lies? Like I said I have not used either system but do they compensate for elevations or always assume a level shot. HardcoreLooper, Nunfa0, sirchunksalot and 1 other 4 Quote Driver, TSi 1 S Flex 3 wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 5 wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 7 Wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 5 Hybrid King Tec MMT R Flex Irons, Tour UST Recoil 95 R Flex (6 - Gap) Wedges, Snakebite KBS Hi- Rev2.0 54* & 60* Agera 35" Ultralight 14-way Cart Bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfSpy MPR Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 Arccos incorporates elevation and weather data if you're using the Caddie system. That's the part active during the round, that suggests clubs, etc. (It isn't something I've used.) As for the data itself, both GG and Arccos have algorithms designed to remove outlier shots. So for me, I often (too often) use my 5 iron to punch out from under trees. If everything is working properly, Arccos recognizes that an 80-yard 5 iron isn't a proper shot, and that isn't included in its summary of how I hit my 5 iron. What I don't know (though I'm skeptical) is whether Arccos adjusts actual shots based on elevation in its stats. So for instance, when you hit your 9-iron 125 because of the elevation, Arccos likely still believes that that was a 125-yard 9 iron; it's not normalizing it out to 140. My hunch on the data is that, with a large enough sample size, the numbers work themselves out. You have enough level, uphill, and downhill 9-irons that the overall numbers are accurate enough. Nunfa0, sirchunksalot, HardcoreLooper and 1 other 4 Quote TS3 9.5°, Tensei Blue CBX T3 15°, Project X HZRDUS Black Epic Super Hybrid 18°, Aerotech Steel Fiber FC HYB S C722 21°, Ventus Blue 8S CBX Iron-Wood 25°, Project X HZRDUS Black 6.0 639 CB, Aldila NV 95 Graphite, 6–PW CBX 48° T22 54° and 60° EAS 4.0, Garsen G-Pro grip TP5x and Tour Response Full WITB with pictures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom the Golf Nut Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Ok, thanks for the information. GolfSpy MPR and sirchunksalot 2 Quote Driver, TSi 1 S Flex 3 wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 5 wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 7 Wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 5 Hybrid King Tec MMT R Flex Irons, Tour UST Recoil 95 R Flex (6 - Gap) Wedges, Snakebite KBS Hi- Rev2.0 54* & 60* Agera 35" Ultralight 14-way Cart Bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invader Zim 315 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 On 7/24/2020 at 4:24 PM, Tom the Golf Nut said: Well, I still can't wipe the smile off my face from being selected as a tester. What an awesome opportunity. I live up to my user name but luckily for me my wife doesn't mind. I think there is more pressure doing this testing than going in the store and buying off the rack. I have always been a standard fit so it was no big deal. (or so I thought ) more to follow shortly. Some insight I started playing golf when I was 30. Got hooked! took a group lesson early on, watched video's, built greens, pieced together a simulator, hitting nets, swing jacket, Zepp swing sensor, orange whip and almost anything you can think of to improve my game. So 30 years later I am at a 2.5 handicap mostly achieved on my own. Back about 13 years ago my wife landed a job at a Country Club as the book keeper which fortunately for me comes with membership. So I play a lot of golf. Six years ago I also moved into a Sales Manager position. Yes more golf with customers. Being a better player in the company I also get to play in many customer golf tournaments and charity golf events. (have one next Friday) Did I mention I play a lot of golf! This testing will be very interesting to me. I always played game improvement irons. Why mess with a good thing right? Will going to a players iron negatively effect my handicap? Was I always hitting the sweet spot or did the game improvement features hide my imperfections? Will the ball move more than I'm used to due to hitting an iron that can work the ball? Something I'm not used to. Wondering about the feedback feel compared to the game improvement covering this up for the most part. Will I kick myself in the butt for not going to a players iron sooner? So here we are on Day 1 Just got off the phone with Jason at Sub 70 for my phone fitting. Before the call I took the on line fitting quiz. It asks for your height, wrist to floor measurement with golf shoes on, average driver distance, and distance you hit a 7 iron. So it came back with + 1/4 in iron length, + 2* lie. So I thought I was prepared for the phone call. No wait, let me run down to the basement and check my swing on a lie board. I see that my typical impact was more toward the toe. Why I didn't do this years ago is unknown. So I get on the phone with Jason and I told him I went through the fitting quiz. Then he started asking me questions. "Do you draw or fade the irons?" I hit the straight Then we are not changing the lie angle. I told Jason my lie board results showed my impact to be more toward the toe. So he recommended we go with the + 1/4 " on length. Then he asked if I wanted satin or black? I asked if the black would hold up well. Then we got into soil conditions on the golf courses I play. He asked are they sandy type soil, regular dirt type, clay. He suggested I get the satin for the typical clay in my area. We decided on the type of shaft based on my request to gain more trajectory. I typically hit a lower ball. So I was fit to the KBS Tour 90 in regular flex. Then got into the golf grip. I'm a midsize. Finally the set makeup 4 to pitch or 5 to gap. I went with the 5 to gap as I switch over to a hybrid for the 4. Jason was great and understanding on the fitting process and congratulated me on being chosen and was looking forward to my honest reviews. I should have these in about a week. I can't wait. Congratulations, Tom. I see you all over the feeds on here with lots of input and great thoughts. Excited to see what you think of them, enjoy the set! sirchunksalot, Nunfa0 and GolfSpy MPR 3 Quote Driver: 2023 Callaway Paradym - Tensei AV White 65X 3w: Mizuno GT 180 14 degree 5w: Cobra Rad Speed 19 degree Irons: Mizuno Pro 225 4-PW Wedges: Vokey SM7 52F, 56M, 60M Putter: TaylorMade GTX black Ball: Titleist Pro V1x #7 2023 Callaway Paradym Driver Tester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfish! Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 3 hours ago, Tom the Golf Nut said: I don't want to get off topic but I have a question regarding the data collection. I have not used either system but I am wondering about the distance variation. Yes we can all hit a few poor shots, but I am questioning the logic in the programs. I play on a hilly course or should I say a very hilly course. As an example, if I have 125 yards into a green I would hit a pitching wedge. In this example I have a severe upslope and I am on the slope hitting into the green. In order to get the ball 125 yards I now need to hit a 9 iron which is 140 yards for me. Wouldn't the distance tracking always be showing you short or long on uphill and down hill lies? Like I said I have not used either system but do they compensate for elevations or always assume a level shot. @Tom the Golf Nut Not sure if shotscope takes into account elevation or wind but as @GolfSpy MPR mentioned, SS also removed outliers from data collection. There is an average shot distance for each club which takes into account every shot and then P. Avg which stands for performance average which takes the outliers out. GolfSpy MPR and Nunfa0 2 Quote Driver : SIM2 Max 9* MC Kuro Kago Silver 60 Stiff Woods : GS53 3 Wood 14* Mitsubish Tensei Blue 73g Regular Hybrids: 949X Project X HZRDUS RDX Black Irons : 699 Pro Black 5-AW 1* flat KBS Tour V 90 Stiff Shafts Wedges : 52, 56, 60 Putter : Spider Red Bag : lightweight cart bag | Dry Series Bag Ball : TP5 PIX (2019) | ProV1x (2021) Rangefinder : ULT-X Pushcart : M5 GPS DHC Electric Push Cart SoCal, USA Right handed HDCP 16.4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfish! Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Will definitely be keeping up on this test as I have looked into getting a 3W from Sub70 and am interested in the comparison between big brand OEM clubs and the Sub70 clubs. AGutierrez7, Nunfa0 and GolfSpy MPR 3 Quote Driver : SIM2 Max 9* MC Kuro Kago Silver 60 Stiff Woods : GS53 3 Wood 14* Mitsubish Tensei Blue 73g Regular Hybrids: 949X Project X HZRDUS RDX Black Irons : 699 Pro Black 5-AW 1* flat KBS Tour V 90 Stiff Shafts Wedges : 52, 56, 60 Putter : Spider Red Bag : lightweight cart bag | Dry Series Bag Ball : TP5 PIX (2019) | ProV1x (2021) Rangefinder : ULT-X Pushcart : M5 GPS DHC Electric Push Cart SoCal, USA Right handed HDCP 16.4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sluggo42 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 5 hours ago, GolfSpy MPR said: What am I looking for from the Sub 70 699 Pro irons? Part 1: Shot tracking I'm going to set up my testing procedures for the Sub 70 irons in two categories: on-course performance and launch monitor numbers. Here, I want to set up a baseline for the performance of my current irons, the PING G700s. This year, I switched from Game Golf to Arccos for my stat collection. The two systems send mixed messages about the quality of my approach game (though both give me roughly the same overall handicap). Game Golf tells me my approach play is roughly at the level of a high single-digit player; Arccos says it's more at the level of a 15 handicap. That's a pretty broad disparity, obviously—especially relatively: Game Golf says my approach play is a strength relative to my overall handicap, whereas Arccos tells me that it's holding my handicap back. I suspect the difference is that Arccos gives greater weight to hitting greens, whereas Game Golf is more concerned with proximity to the hole. I've written about this elsewhere on this site: the greens at my home course are very, very small (on average, about 2,400 sq ft). Practically, then, while GG might be more encouraging, Arccos is going to end up better reflecting the actual scoring potential that I have on my course. I might have hit an OK shot that finished 35 feet from the pin (from 100-125 yards, J. B. Holmes is last on the Tour with an average proximity of almost 30'), but because the greens are 50x50, I'm still chipping. My average greens in regulation hovers around 25%; it's really hard to score well with that percentage. Here's my Arccos GIR and proximity numbers for my last 10 rounds: And here are the current Arccos distance ranges that I hit each club: For this test, I'm obviously looking for any distance increase from the 699 Pros over the G700s. The 699s are slightly weaker in lofts (about 1° on each club). I am hoping for tighter dispersion numbers and (correspondingly) higher GIR numbers. In my next post, I'll lay down some baseline SkyTrak numbers with my current irons and suggest some targets that I'm hoping to see the 699s hit. I dunno if its just me, but those seem like some pretty broad length ranges. ? Cant Arccos tighten those numbers up a bit? Its like 10+ yard overlaps, and over 25 yd variances with the same club? That would just confuse me... Or does it have a narrowed number (the number that a normal solid shot goes) somewhere in the mix? Nunfa0, golfish!, THEZIPR23 and 1 other 4 Quote TSr2 on tensi blue stiff Speedzone 3-wood on Tensi blue S Epic Max 5 and 7 woods on HZRDUS Reg flex Paradym 9 wood on HZRDUS reg flex P770 / P790 combo set on Ventus R-6 shafts 6-AW T22 Denim Copper 54°, 58° on Kinetic X Trajectory ER3 or, E.A.S. #4 (“Fang” or “Adele”) ProV1x, or, Maxfli Tour X .Org 14 cart bag Adidas Tour 360 , or Sketcher shoes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEZIPR23 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, Sluggo42 said: I dunno if its just me, but those seem like some pretty broad length ranges. ? Cant Arccos tighten those numbers up a bit? Its like 10+ yard overlaps, and over 25 yd variances with the same club? That would just confuse me... Or does it have a narrowed number (the number that a normal solid shot goes) somewhere in the mix? The overlaps will happen, bad lie, good lie etc. Mine are 7-8 yards. But you are correct in the total range. That is a big spread. Hopefully these bring that to a more manageable range fro him. Nunfa0, HardcoreLooper and GolfSpy MPR 3 Quote Stealth 2+ 9 (Diamana PD 60 S 45") Stealth 2+ 15 (Diamana PD 70 S 43") G425 19 (Raijin 2.0 85x) G425 22 (Raijin 2.0 85x) ZX7 5-9 (KBS C Taper S) Vokey SM9 45 10 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 49 08 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 55 08 M (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 59 04 T (KBS 610) Spider GT Splitback 34" ProV1 #23 Twitter @THEZIPR23 "One thing Golf has taught me, is that my muscles have no memory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nunfa0 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 16 hours ago, golfish! said: @Tom the Golf Nut Not sure if shotscope takes into account elevation or wind but as @GolfSpy MPR mentioned, SS also removed outliers from data collection. There is an average shot distance for each club which takes into account every shot and then P. Avg which stands for performance average which takes the outliers out. Also with shot scope you can go back after the round and mark the punch outs etc as such so they don't skew the data for the clubs. Quote In my cart Bag: Driver: King F9 9° - LH - Atmos Blue TS 6 Stiff Woods: King F9 - LH - 3/4 Wood - Atmos Blue 7 Reg Z U85 2 Iron Irons: T200 4 Iron AMT White S300 T100S - LH - 3-48* - AMT White S300 Wedges: Indi FLX- LH - 52° 56° 60° - True Temper Spinner Wedge shafts Putter: 2 Bar Hybrid Ball: Pro V1x Testing: Haywood CB/MB Combo Iron Set, 4-7 Cavity backs, 8-PW Muscle Backs, True Temper Dynamic Gold 105 Stiff, 2 Degrees stronger lofts. Tracked By: Follow me on Twitter @ham12_hampton and on Instagram @Nunfa0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smellis745 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Woke up one day closer to receiving the goods ncwoz, Nunfa0, GolfSpy MPR and 2 others 4 1 Quote PXG 0811X Gen 4 7.5* - Graphite Design Tour AD-HD 7 TX TaylorMade M6 15* - PX HZRDUS Green 80 TX Titleist 913 Fd 18* - MCA KuroKage XMS 90 X /// OR /// Callaway XForged UT 20* - Aldila Rogue Black 105 TX Srixon Z745 4-P - PX LZ 7.0 Vokey SM7 49F / 53F / 58K - DG TI S400 Odyssey Black #3 34” Titleist AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjay0808 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Smellis745 said: Woke up one day closer to receiving the goods Make sure to snap those pics once you do! Quote In my bag: Driver: Rogue ST Triple Diamond LS 10.5* (set to 9.5) UST Lin-Q Gunmetal 6f5 Wood: Tsi2 15* Project X RDX Black 70 6.5 Hybrids: King Utility 19.5* Diamana Tensei White Pro 90TX Irons: Cobra King Tour MIM 4-PW Dynamic Gold 120 X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 3 50*, 54*, 58* Tour Issue S400 Putter: Nashville Z1C 34" Ball: Pro V1x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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