Golfspy_CG2 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 2 hours ago, BrownBearGolf said: It’s merely speculation for the sake of speculation and community Banter. Is it not? Yes if course we have to have discussion on them until more info comes straight from the horses mouth. But like YK said above people make definitive negative comments—not saying you did—then seemingly forget they ever said that when they are released. I too generally hold back until I’ve seen and hit somethig. MAVRIK is a perfect example of that. It got crucified over the orange when the prerelease photos showed up. Now its the best selling iron on the market, snd i have a set on the way. HardcoreLooper, PMookie, Rickp and 1 other 4 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 On 8/1/2020 at 1:33 PM, yungkory said: I fast forwarded through the video because there's gotta be a media embargo, and if anyone is getting first cracks at a media release, I'm putting my money on TxG getting it. Not surprised I didn't see an actual 921 haha Damn. I waited to long. Its been taken down. Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrogginBullfish Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Forging and casting are just two ways of shaping metal. Using one or the other really just comes down to desired mechanical properties/microstructure, whether the shape can actually be forged, and cost to manufacture. Fair enough, I overlooked the alloy change. I assumed you couldn’t cast or forge the exact same metal, shows how little I know. I do know the properties of forged are significantly different than cast all else equal. I guess I’ll wait and see the early reviews but I’m only interested in improved feel (soft) or forgiveness, I couldn’t care less about more distance. YMMVSent from my Pixel 2 using MyGolfSpy mobile app Quote DRIVER PXG 0811XF GEN4 (10.5°) FAIRWAY WOODS PXG 0341XF GEN4 (16°) HYBRIDS PXG 0317XF GEN4 (19°), PXG 0317X GEN4 (22°) IRONS PXG 0311T GEN3 (5 - 9) WEDGES TAYLORMADE MG3 (45°, 50°, 55° TW Grind, 60° TW Grind) PUTTER PXG BATTLE READY ONE & DONE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middler Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 33 minutes ago, FrogginBullfish said: Forging and casting are just two ways of shaping metal. Using one or the other really just comes down to desired mechanical properties/microstructure, whether the shape can actually be forged, and cost to manufacture. Yes and no? Assuming the exact same metal and shape/geometry - a forged part will have significantly greater strength (and therefore “feel”) than a cast part. If forging didn’t have advantages, many more parts would be cast. Quote Forged parts had a 26% higher tensile strength than the same cast parts. Forged parts had a 37% higher fatigue strength resulting in a much longer lifespan than cast parts. Structural Integrity – products formed by casting are more porous than forged products. Quote Titleist TSR2 11° HZRDUS Red CB 50 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Titleist TSR2 16.5º HZRDUS Red 60 CB 6.0 & TSR2 21º HZRDUS Black 4G 70 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Mizuno JPX923 HMP 4-GW, T22 54.12WS, T22 58.04DC w Lamkin ST+2 Hybrid Midsize Evnroll EV5.3 Maxfli Tour & ProV1 Ping Pioneer - MGI Zip Navigator AT Payntr X 002 LE, Ecco Biom C4, Payntr X 001 F (Mesh) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrogginBullfish Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Strength is a mechanical property. Sent from my Pixel 2 using MyGolfSpy mobile app Quote DRIVER PXG 0811XF GEN4 (10.5°) FAIRWAY WOODS PXG 0341XF GEN4 (16°) HYBRIDS PXG 0317XF GEN4 (19°), PXG 0317X GEN4 (22°) IRONS PXG 0311T GEN3 (5 - 9) WEDGES TAYLORMADE MG3 (45°, 50°, 55° TW Grind, 60° TW Grind) PUTTER PXG BATTLE READY ONE & DONE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungkory Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Metallurgy shmetallurgy let's just drool over this: The tours are looking niceeeeeeee. Kinda reminds me of the 919 line and then it met an SM8 and they had a blast one night at the bar and had an illegitimate child together. Kanoito, ChitownM2, BrownBearGolf and 2 others 5 Quote Driver: Rogue ST Max LS Tensei AV Blue S 3w/5w: TSi2 Tensei AV Raw Blue S 4h: CLK 22* Hybrid Tensei CK Pro Blue 80HY S Irons 5-PW: 223 Steelfiber PR 95 S Wedges: RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 50, 54, 58 Steelfiber PR 105 Putter: LAB Link.1 Ball: Z-Star Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Just now, yungkory said: Metallurgy shmetallurgy let's just drool over this: Yeah, but they're not worth upgrading to Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungkory Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Golfspy_CG2 said: Yeah, but they're not worth upgrading to Wife? Is that you? How did you get CG2's phone!???! HardcoreLooper, BrownBearGolf, ChitownM2 and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: Rogue ST Max LS Tensei AV Blue S 3w/5w: TSi2 Tensei AV Raw Blue S 4h: CLK 22* Hybrid Tensei CK Pro Blue 80HY S Irons 5-PW: 223 Steelfiber PR 95 S Wedges: RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 50, 54, 58 Steelfiber PR 105 Putter: LAB Link.1 Ball: Z-Star Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChitownM2 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 (edited) They are looking really good. Hopefully we get some specs later this week or early next. They should be finding their way to fitters within 2 weeks I'd think since they are going to be available to purchase at retail on 9/17. They should want to get people hitting them and taking pre-orders ASAP since you can't buy anything from the current JPX line-up.... Edit: Higher resolution version of video above. Mizuno commented that pricing will be available next Monday 8/10. Hopefully specs are released with prices... Edited August 3, 2020 by ChitownM2 BrownBearGolf and yungkory 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChitownM2 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 What do people think would be the logical break point for a mixed set of hot metal and forged? Probably going to do a 5-GW set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, ChitownM2 said: What do people think would be the logical break point for a mixed set of hot metal and forged? Probably going to do a 5-GW set. I was thinking 5,6 HM and 7-A Forged. ChitownM2 1 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChitownM2 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Golfspy_CG2 said: I was thinking 5,6 HM and 7-A Forged. That is kind of what I was thinking....the good part is that I should be able to hit a 7 iron in both and see which I like better since I'm guessing that is the head that will be sent out to fitters. Hopefully the rumors of the forged model being 1* stronger are true, that would make gapping the sets a little easier. Edited August 3, 2020 by ChitownM2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 I can't get into specifics, but tell me what the forged 7 degree was in the 919 and I might be able to tell you if it's a solid rumor or not HardcoreLooper 1 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChitownM2 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Golfspy_CG2 said: I can't get into specifics, but tell me what the forged 7 degree was in the 919 and I might be able to tell you if it's a solid rumor or not it was 32* Golfspy_CG2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Golfspy_CG2 said: I can't get into specifics, but tell me what the forged 7 degree was in the 919 and I might be able to tell you if it's a solid rumor or not Actually looking closer now, you'd have to do the split after the 5 of the Hot Metal to make them 4-5 degrees consistent. Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, ChitownM2 said: it was 32* Some rumors are as good as gold ChitownM2 1 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChitownM2 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 (edited) Hmm...If the rumor is true , I was thinking the 5 HM standard, 6 HM 1* weak and the 7 forged 1* strong. That would be 23, 27, 31, 35 for 5-8. Thanks for the insight! Edited August 3, 2020 by ChitownM2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 HM 919 specs Other rumors have the new HM being 1 degree stronger as well The Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 1 minute ago, ChitownM2 said: Hmm...If the rumor is true , I was thinking the 5 HM standard, 6 HM 1* weak and the 7 forged 1* strong. That would be 23, 27, 31, 35 for 5-8. Thanks for the insight! That would work! Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Although I might just go Forged 1 strong and leave the 5 where it is, and if the gap is 5 degrees, I probably won't notice that much and i get a few more yards out of the 5 iron. I would think the 5 HM might launch a bit higher if the weight is distributed a bit lower than the Forged, just guessing on that last part. Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChitownM2 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 (edited) I was thinking of leaving the 5 at standard and then 6 HM at 1* weak then go 1* strong at 7 forged, then rest of forged standard. I'll have to see. If both are 1* stronger, that would make a 6 HM 25* and the 7 forged 31* if went stock HM. I'm guessing that 6* gap between stock 6 HM and 1* strong forged would be too large for me since I'm betting the HM will also be longer at equal lofts. I'm probably going to wait until the clubs are actually in stock at retail to do my fitting and then hopefully they will have a demo set I can hit to see what the actual gap would be and then make a decision from there. I'm presuming that like everyone else Mizuno only sends out 7 iron heads in the fitting cart so if I wanted to hit a 6 I would have to wait until they got a real set in ? Edited August 3, 2020 by ChitownM2 yungkory and Golfspy_CG2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, ChitownM2 said: I was thinking of leaving the 5 at standard and then 6 HM at 1* weak then go 1* strong at 7 forged, then rest of forged standard. I'll have to see. If both are 1* stronger, that would make a 6 HM 25* and the 7 forged 31*. I'm guessing that 6* gap between stock 6 HM and 1* strong forged would be too large for me since I'm betting the HM will also be longer at equal lofts. I'm probably going to wait until the clubs are actually in stock at retail to do my fitting and then hopefully they will have a demo set I can hit to see what the actual gap would be and then make a decision from there. I'm presuming that like everyone else Mizuno only sends out 7 iron heads in the fitting cart so if I wanted to hit a 6 I would have to wait until they got a real set in ? Yep seeing and hitting them is always wiser than going on a hunch..ha I think that is correct on the fitting cart. Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownBearGolf Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 40 minutes ago, ChitownM2 said: What do people think would be the logical break point for a mixed set of hot metal and forged? Probably going to do a 5-GW set. 5-7 HM 8-GW Forged? Quote Epic Flash Sub Zero 9degree. Hosel set to -1degree/Nuetral. Aftermarket 10gram front weight and 6.5 gram sliding weight set to fade. Mitsubishi Tensei AV Blue Stiff 67 “Tipped” half inch Diablo 5 Wood Nuetral Stock shaft M3 3 Hybrid Mitsubishi Tensei Blue Weight set to fade JPX 850 Forged 4-GW KBS C Taper Stiff 1/2 inch longer Mac Daddy 4 54, 58 Works Tank Cruiser 7 40 Grams in head and counterbalanced 30 grams inside Super Stroke Fatso Grip Z-Star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChitownM2 Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, BrownBearGolf said: 5-7 HM 8-GW Forged? That's the other possibility I was considering. Probably will all come down to how I hit them. This option might be easier to gap too. Do the 6 & 7 HM 1* weak and forged at standard. 22-26-30-35-40 for 5-9. Waiting is always the hardest part. I wish they were just available already so I could go hit them. Edited August 3, 2020 by ChitownM2 BrownBearGolf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quigleyd Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 The new forged are a one piece chromoly forging. Last years 919 forged was not. They are also shorter heel to toe and have less offset. The tours are not changed too much aesthetically, but supposedly they increased the stability and MOI of the tour by 40%. The sole has had some tweaking as well. There is no 3 iron in the tour and it will be a 4-GW set for the first time. All are pretty awesome and while it does not look like a big change, I think incremental improvement was the goal with an already outstanding product. yungkory 1 Quote Driver: Callaway Paradym Triple diamond 10.5 Ventus black TR 6x 3 wood ; Callaway Paradym triple diamond 15 degree, Ventus black TR 7x Apex UW 19 degree, Ventus black TR 8x Utility Iron: Mizuno Pro Fli Hi 4 utility, Ventus blue HB 90X Irons: Callaway Apex MB 5-PW, KBS $ taper 130x Wedges: Callaway Jaws Raw 50, 54, 58, KBS $ taper 130x Putter: Wilson Staff TM22, hand torched, KBS cutter putter shaft, Super stroke Pistol GT 1.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownBearGolf Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 19 minutes ago, ChitownM2 said: That's the other possibility I was considering. Probably will all come down to how I hit them. This option might be easier to gap too. Do the 6 & 7 HM 1* weak and 8 Forged 1* strong. 22-26-30-35-40 for 5-9. Waiting is always the hardest part. I wish they were just available already so I could go hit them. A proper fitting should help ChitownM2 1 Quote Epic Flash Sub Zero 9degree. Hosel set to -1degree/Nuetral. Aftermarket 10gram front weight and 6.5 gram sliding weight set to fade. Mitsubishi Tensei AV Blue Stiff 67 “Tipped” half inch Diablo 5 Wood Nuetral Stock shaft M3 3 Hybrid Mitsubishi Tensei Blue Weight set to fade JPX 850 Forged 4-GW KBS C Taper Stiff 1/2 inch longer Mac Daddy 4 54, 58 Works Tank Cruiser 7 40 Grams in head and counterbalanced 30 grams inside Super Stroke Fatso Grip Z-Star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peejer Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 Man!! Those things are gorgeous! Quote Stealth Driver ZX 3W RadSpeed 3-hybrid P790 (2021) irons (4-PW) CBX-2 GW, SW & LW ER7 Putter Q-Star Tour DIVIDE / Tour - Revolver XL 1500Li Cart NX9 HD Pro Rangefinder / S20 GPS Watch + Launch Monitor Denver, Colorado Home Course: Eisenhower Golf Club, USAF Academy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthGator007 Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 I've been thinking about getting a new set of irons and was really considering the JPX 919s since they really cleaned up all the MGS club tests from last year. Now I think I'll wait until this fall to pick up these beauties. Has a set of JPXs maybe 10 years ago and really liked them. Actually sold them to a buddy because he was looking to move from a starter set and it gave me a reason to buy some new clubs. yungkory and ChitownM2 2 Quote RADSPEED Driver 9* HZRD BLUE SMOKE 6.0 shaft G425 MAX 3 wood 5 wood H1 Hybrid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungkory Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 6 hours ago, ChitownM2 said: What do people think would be the logical break point for a mixed set of hot metal and forged? Probably going to do a 5-GW set. 5 hours ago, BrownBearGolf said: 5-7 HM 8-GW Forged? I would probably split it at the 7i or 8i as well, but with the Forged at the top and Tour at the bottom, and bend the Forged weak to blend nicely. It's hard because you only hit a 7i at a fitting Quote Driver: Rogue ST Max LS Tensei AV Blue S 3w/5w: TSi2 Tensei AV Raw Blue S 4h: CLK 22* Hybrid Tensei CK Pro Blue 80HY S Irons 5-PW: 223 Steelfiber PR 95 S Wedges: RTX Zipcore Tour Rack 50, 54, 58 Steelfiber PR 105 Putter: LAB Link.1 Ball: Z-Star Diamond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChitownM2 Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, yungkory said: I would probably split it at the 7i or 8i as well, but with the Forged at the top and Tour at the bottom, and bend the Forged weak to blend nicely. It's hard because you only hit a 7i at a fitting Yeah that is why I'm planning to wait until they hit the shelves to do a fitting. Hopefully they will have a demo set of each I can hit and use that to make a decision on the gapping once the other parameters are determined. It will be interesting to see how the forged blend with the tours seeing as the forged are getting stronger while the tours are not. Forged 7i will be 31 while the Tour 8i will be 38. Going to need a lot of bending to fix that gap Mizuno replied to my question on the youtube video from today. Specs for the line-up are coming with the pricing on Monday. Edited August 4, 2020 by ChitownM2 yungkory 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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