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NPG Episode 49: CAST vs FORGED

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Duration: 00:31:55

Golfers and manufacturers talk about superior feel of forged clubs, but does forged actually perform better?

2:25 - Cast VS Forged Clubs
30:18 - Most Wanted: Top 5 Player's Distance Irons of 2020


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PING i500: https://bit.ly/2EEmd4L
Cobra King Forged Tec One: https://bit.ly/310WGKy

Read the full review here: https://mygolfspy.com/most-wanted-best-players-distance-iron-2020/

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:callaway-small: Epic Flash Sub Zero, 9°, Aldila Rogue White 70 X
:taylormade-small: M4 3HL 16.5°, Atmos Red 60
:cobra-small: F6 5-6W, 19.5°, Fujikura Motore 6.3
:755178188_TourEdge: CBX 20°, Project X HZRDUS 85 5.5
Currently testing: :Sub70: 699 Pro, Modus3 105, 5–PW
:cleveland-small: CBX 48°
:cleveland-small: RTX-3 CB 54° and 60°
:odyssey-small: Stroke Lab EXO Seven Mini, 34"
:srixon-small: Z-Star XV

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Looking forward to it on YT.


  • Callaway Rogue 10.5° 9.5°D & 3W
  • Mizuno JPX900 Forged 4-GW, S18 56.10, S18 60.06
  • Evnroll ER5B (replaced ER2)
  • and 14th club - Mizuno CLK 3H 19° OR MP-20 HMB 3i 19°
  • Snell MTB-X (replaced Black)

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Interesting discussion.  Found the comment by Tony that hybrid clubs (cast + forged), and labeled "forged", would not be allowed in Japan due to their more stringent truth in advertising laws.  Cobra's MIM process is going to really move the needle... I predict.  It will essentially take the advantages of the hybrid construction and move it back into the super cast (virtually forged) category. 

Chris' comment that it's not a performance based but rather a feel conversation/argument will certainly raise some hackles.

And how about those 4th place PING 1500's... I want to try those next to the i500's 😁


:ping-small: G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver | Official 2019 MGS Tester

:ping-small: G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w

:ping-small: G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w

:ping-small: G410 Irons 4-UW 

:ping-small: Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW   (removed from double secret probation 😍)

:ping-small: B61 Putter

 

 

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It made me chuckle as I listened to this last night that When going through the rank of players distance irons I heard ping 1500 instead of ping i 500s. 

 


Driver: SIM 9 Motore X F1 7X tipped 1 inch

Utility Iron: Cobra King Utility irons 18 degree Aldila rogue 90 X

Irons: Cobra King forged CB 4-PW KBS $ Taper 130 X

Wedges: Cleveland 49,52.58.64

Putter: Kronos Release.

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I listened to this very intently.  I have ALWAYS had cast clubs.  If the wife allows it, I plan on getting fit for the new Mizuno JPX clubs coming out that are forged.  I know it's a bad idea to be dead set on a set of clubs rather than playing the field, but I can't help myself.  Those irons are so sexy...

 

Or I'll go to the Taylormade P770's which I believe are also forged.  


Driver:  :ping-small:   G410 LST, 10.5 *. Even Flow 70G  X-Stiff .5 extended, Golf Pride MCC Align Grip

FW Wood:  Titleist  3, 15*, DIamana 70G Stiff ; 5 extended, Golf Pride MCC Align Grip

Hybrid:  :taylormade-small:Sim Max 19* Ventus Stiff Shaft, Golf Pride MCC Align Grip

:taylormade-small: Sim Max 22* Ventus Stiff Shaft, Golf Pride MCC Align Grip

Irons:  :taylormade-small: PSI 5-PW C-Taper 130 X-stiff  

Wedges:  :cleveland-small: RTX-3, 52-56-60*                  

Putter:  :edel-golf-1:  34 Inch E-1 with Pixel insert.  

Golf Ball:     :taylormade-small: TP5

 

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As always an interesting NPG episode, though I was dying to hear answers to the following:

  • If feel is just subjective, and geometry is the sole determinant as they alleged - why aren't there cast musclebacks? The guys admitted cast is less expensive. If it's just geometry, why does anyone bother to make (significantly more expensive to produce) forged musclebacks anymore?
  • PING is clearly a tech savvy and very capable club maker, and they're as good as anyone at casting if not better. Given that why did they go to the extra expense of making their Blueprint "shotmakers irons" forged?

They seemed to sort of dance around the differences between physical properties of cast vs forged finished parts, and came down on the 'it's all geometry' side. If you look outside golf tech into metallurgy, no one I can find says given the same alloy, there's no difference between a forged and a cast part of the exact same geometry. The properties are NOT the same in the metallurgy world - and that difference would impact feel. Just as solid wood, plywood and particle board aren't the same if made from the same wood, neither are cast and forged metal parts.

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  • Callaway Rogue 10.5° 9.5°D & 3W
  • Mizuno JPX900 Forged 4-GW, S18 56.10, S18 60.06
  • Evnroll ER5B (replaced ER2)
  • and 14th club - Mizuno CLK 3H 19° OR MP-20 HMB 3i 19°
  • Snell MTB-X (replaced Black)

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