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It may be, but not compared to my prior wedges. That's all I have to compare it with.
Yeah, those others are quite large

But in reality, I'm just really picky about the size of a head on a wedge.

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Driver:  :ping-small: G400 (8*) with Diamana Kai'li X-stiff

Fairway:   :ping-small: G400 (14.5*) with Diamana Kai'li X-stiff

Irons: :ping-small: Crossover 3 iron (19*) with TT Dynamic Gold 120 S400 shaft

            :titelist-small: AP3 (4/5) and AP2 (6-PW) with TT Dynamic Gold 120 S400 shafts

Wedges: Scor 50*, 54*, and 58* with TT Dynamic Gold 120 S400 shafts

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My new wedge actually came in last Thursday night but I couldn't play with it until we adjusted the shaft length. My husband helped me and we trimmed it down 1" Friday night. It took until today for m

I'm not accomplished enough as a player to hit all or even most shots consistently to be able to answer this but I wanted to know also. In the past most of my shots to the green had quite a bit of rol

Got out to the Range yesterday. Did a little Chipping and hit some Full shots.. Here it is compared the the Cobra King Black wedge both are in 58* Mid Bounce/Versatile..  It Seems to be sli

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Are you saying you think the sole is big on the ZipCore?  I think it’s wider than my Callaway MD4.  I’m going to measure tomorrow. 

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Are you saying you think the sole is big on the ZipCore?  I think it’s wider than my Callaway MD4.  I’m going to measure tomorrow. 
It's a little bigger than what I'm used to. But not ginormous.

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Driver:  :ping-small: G400 (8*) with Diamana Kai'li X-stiff

Fairway:   :ping-small: G400 (14.5*) with Diamana Kai'li X-stiff

Irons: :ping-small: Crossover 3 iron (19*) with TT Dynamic Gold 120 S400 shaft

            :titelist-small: AP3 (4/5) and AP2 (6-PW) with TT Dynamic Gold 120 S400 shafts

Wedges: Scor 50*, 54*, and 58* with TT Dynamic Gold 120 S400 shafts

Putter:  :cameron-small: Pro Platinum Newport 2 Midslant

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Location: Illinois...until i can get my wife to move to a warmer climate

Right Handed: Although sometimes I wonder if left handed would suit me better :blink:

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Grooves on a wedge.  It seems to be the talk of the town since I can remember.  More with sharper edges, less with more face roughness, grooves in grooves, different grooves for different lofts… why so many different kinds of grooves? 

Cleveland claims that the UtiliZip Groove doesn’t only add spin, but consistency too. There is only one way I know how to test that. This weekend I am going to try to sneak out to the practice area and post up with 36 golf balls and hit from 130 yards out of the rough, and repeat until I have around 100 shots.  Then move to the fairway cut and do the same. This will do two things, first get a good idea of the consistency claims (I’ll not count my missed shots), and get a durability test in.

Rain-X?

Something I noticed from last night’s golf club cleaning session; this wedge seems to have some water repellent qualities to the finish.  Not quite as rain-x(y) as the BP’s, but it didn’t stick around much.  I could not find anything written about this on the website.  5A2F0116-FF41-44AF-BC3A-3A6553694727.jpeg.d9ae8958cb4925c71c84698ce8b22126.jpeg

 

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I was able to get a new grip put (MCC Plus 4 midsize) on and play 9 holes yesterday. The ball definitely stops a lot sooner than I'm used to. I had a couple chips/pitches that normally would have rolled up near the hole, that were 4-5 ft short. So that will take some getting used to.

I use my 58* from 105 yards in... although I didn't have the opportunity for any complete full swings with it yesterday, so I'll have to get those in this weekend.

I am a little concerned as the sole and head size is a little larger than I'm used to. But I am looking forward to trying it in bunkers and around the green more. 20200813_104332.jpg.5ed8f1b4597ff0a291e02ac9dee6be11.jpg20200813_104257.jpg.964827568e71c7431b466f51429980ee.jpg

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Thanks for that comparison - does it stop sooner on all shots? Just full shots?


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Thanks for that comparison - does it stop sooner on all shots? Just full shots?

 

 

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It was stopping quicker on pitches and chips... All under 30 yards. I didn't really get any full swings to evaluate on.

 

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Driver:  :ping-small: G400 (8*) with Diamana Kai'li X-stiff

Fairway:   :ping-small: G400 (14.5*) with Diamana Kai'li X-stiff

Irons: :ping-small: Crossover 3 iron (19*) with TT Dynamic Gold 120 S400 shaft

            :titelist-small: AP3 (4/5) and AP2 (6-PW) with TT Dynamic Gold 120 S400 shafts

Wedges: Scor 50*, 54*, and 58* with TT Dynamic Gold 120 S400 shafts

Putter:  :cameron-small: Pro Platinum Newport 2 Midslant

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Location: Illinois...until i can get my wife to move to a warmer climate

Right Handed: Although sometimes I wonder if left handed would suit me better :blink:

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I find the milling out on the toe interesting. 20200813_104400.jpg20200813_104409.jpg

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Driver:  :ping-small: G400 (8*) with Diamana Kai'li X-stiff

Fairway:   :ping-small: G400 (14.5*) with Diamana Kai'li X-stiff

Irons: :ping-small: Crossover 3 iron (19*) with TT Dynamic Gold 120 S400 shaft

            :titelist-small: AP3 (4/5) and AP2 (6-PW) with TT Dynamic Gold 120 S400 shafts

Wedges: Scor 50*, 54*, and 58* with TT Dynamic Gold 120 S400 shafts

Putter:  :cameron-small: Pro Platinum Newport 2 Midslant

Handicap: 3

Location: Illinois...until i can get my wife to move to a warmer climate

Right Handed: Although sometimes I wonder if left handed would suit me better :blink:

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1 hour ago, dhartmann34 said:

I find the milling out on the toe interesting. 20200813_104400.jpg20200813_104409.jpg

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I agree. It’s purely for cosmetic purposes. The milling underneath the laser etchings is finer and at a different angle.  While they may not be functional in terms of imparting spin they are effective at reducing glare. My Callaway MD4 are relatively polished and reflect massive amounts of sun and it’s glare can be prohibitive to me taking the face angle I want. 

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Diablo 5 Wood Nuetral Stock shaft

:taylormade-small: M3 3 Hybrid Mitsubishi Tensei Blue Weight set to fade

:mizuno-small: JPX 850 Forged 4-GW KBS C Taper Stiff 1/2 inch longer 

:callaway-small: Mac Daddy 4 54, 58

:odyssey-small: Works Tank Cruiser 7              40 Grams in head and counterbalanced 30 grams inside Super Stroke Fatso Grip

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I agree. It’s purely for cosmetic purposes. The milling underneath the laser etchings is finer and at a different angle.  While they may not be functional in terms of imparting spin they are effective at reducing glare. My Callaway MD4 are relatively polished and reflect massive amounts of sun and it’s glare can be prohibitive to me taking the face angle I want. 
That's a great observation! I've often had the glare issue with my wedges.

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Driver:  :ping-small: G400 (8*) with Diamana Kai'li X-stiff

Fairway:   :ping-small: G400 (14.5*) with Diamana Kai'li X-stiff

Irons: :ping-small: Crossover 3 iron (19*) with TT Dynamic Gold 120 S400 shaft

            :titelist-small: AP3 (4/5) and AP2 (6-PW) with TT Dynamic Gold 120 S400 shafts

Wedges: Scor 50*, 54*, and 58* with TT Dynamic Gold 120 S400 shafts

Putter:  :cameron-small: Pro Platinum Newport 2 Midslant

Handicap: 3

Location: Illinois...until i can get my wife to move to a warmer climate

Right Handed: Although sometimes I wonder if left handed would suit me better :blink:

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7 hours ago, Shankster said:

Groovy

Grooves on a wedge.  It seems to be the talk of the town since I can remember.  More with sharper edges, less with more face roughness, grooves in grooves, different grooves for different lofts… why so many different kinds of grooves? 

Cleveland claims that the UtiliZip Groove doesn’t only add spin, but consistency too. There is only one way I know how to test that. This weekend I am going to try to sneak out to the practice area and post up with 36 golf balls and hit from 130 yards out of the rough, and repeat until I have around 100 shots.  Then move to the fairway cut and do the same. This will do two things, first get a good idea of the consistency claims (I’ll not count my missed shots), and get a durability test in.

Rain-X?

Something I noticed from last night’s golf club cleaning session; this wedge seems to have some water repellent qualities to the finish.  Not quite as rain-x(y) as the BP’s, but it didn’t stick around much.  I could not find anything written about this on the website.  5A2F0116-FF41-44AF-BC3A-3A6553694727.jpeg.d9ae8958cb4925c71c84698ce8b22126.jpeg

 

It could be residual oils or chemicals from the factory.  Interesting point to consider and look for moving forward.  I think Ping uses a hydrophobic coating on their Glide wedges. 

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Diablo 5 Wood Nuetral Stock shaft

:taylormade-small: M3 3 Hybrid Mitsubishi Tensei Blue Weight set to fade

:mizuno-small: JPX 850 Forged 4-GW KBS C Taper Stiff 1/2 inch longer 

:callaway-small: Mac Daddy 4 54, 58

:odyssey-small: Works Tank Cruiser 7              40 Grams in head and counterbalanced 30 grams inside Super Stroke Fatso Grip

:srixon-small: Z-Star

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6 hours ago, BrownBearGolf said:

It could be residual oils or chemicals from the factory.  Interesting point to consider and look for moving forward.  I think Ping uses a hydrophobic coating on their Glide wedges. 

They do, Hydropearl.  I scrubbed the RTX with a nylon brush and a degreasing soap to see if it was packaging or shipping oil.  Unfortunately, the weather is not cooperating, and I might not be able to do much with the club this weekend.

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Cleveland ZipCore 58* vs.
Callaway Mac Daddy 58*
Launch Monitor Green was at 75 yards out. I missed the green once with full shots due to a thin shot with each of the wedges. All others hit the green amongst roughly 20 shots each wedge. 

Ok, to answer one question posted…my peak height with the ZipCore wedge was 20 yards, aka 60 feet.  Interestingly, it was 19 yards aka 57 feet with the Callaway MD4.  Something to think about in contrast is that with one short practice session I noticed chips greenside were very low no matter where I put the ball in my stance. 
Before I get into the numbers comparison I want to mention that this is only the second time I’ve swung the ZipCore.  It is only the first time I swung full speed.  Having the full swings I was able to feel something I felt in a minimal sense while chipping.  Yet this session confirmed the thoughts I had from the greenside chips. There is something with the shaft that I don’t feel comfortable with.  It feels a little “whippy”.  It reminds me of the feeling of when I hit a driver with a regular shaft.  It has a whip then a soft kick or rebound when I strike the ball.  It did not feel like this everytime, however, out of the 20 or so hits I felt it about four times.  It just felt a little soft.  I do not know much about this shaft or shaft Dynamics from a technical standpoint.  I just know how it feels in when I swing.  I’ll do some research on this shaft and wedge shafts in general.  The shaft in my MD4 is a True Temper S200 Dynamic Gold.  In the end, the “spinner” shaft just feels a little off.   I may be compelled to change the shaft though I don’t want to as I just put a brand new Winn Grip Mid-Size Dri-Tac Wrap on it.
Average Metrics on the ZipCore:
Ball Speed: 69.3                      Carry: 78yds
Launch Angle:33.4                  DescentAngle:49.3
Total spin: 10,985    72748165-756D-4D83-A475-89FE9F36351C.png.b32956b75f902b5b2fded2b28b920d0e.png0C773C68-C982-448E-9AAC-9B10692534E7.png.fbc6b23c3f8f8732b56330d2265b069d.png  3B45C37A-9908-4537-8385-0B5AB350AFFE.jpeg.a923c7c40f23cc75b96c6c4bdb192b55.jpeg
Average Metrics on the MD4:
Ball Speed: 69.3                      Carry: 78yds
Launch Angle: 32.7                 Descent Angle: 49
Total Spin: 11,369
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As you can see, the metrics are pretty damn close.  So much so that I would argue they are negligible.  Even my Distance to the Pin averages are very close.  The overall distances were more consistent with the MD4 but that could have been more the swing than the club.
Now, more subjective thoughts are I like the softer sound and feel of the ZipCore compared to the MD4.  It did feel as if occasionally the ball went up the face a few more times with the ZipCore but that could be my swing.
As mentioned before in a previous post, the soft feeling of the ZipCore leads to less feedback.  After hitting full shots today I feel it’s the shaft that is taking away some of the feedback.  I do think the head of this club feels softer than the head of the MD4. 
Again, I’ve only chipped in practice once.  I’ve only done full swings in practice once.  So, the journey continues.  I’m on the fence, as I think I should be so early in the testing. 
 
Now that I have the new grip installed I suspect the results will change. The tour velvet slip in my hands and the Winn do not  so i can be a bit more aggressive  
ONE INTERESTING NOTE: The spin rates are very similar.  However, the Callaway MD4 is over two years old and I play and practice a lot.  So the worn grooves of my wedge vs. the brand new "Zippitty Do Da, Zippity yay" zip wedges are too close to call.  How can that be?  Thoughts?  Opinions?  Please share!
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My first thought is “nice job!”

Second thought is that I believe shafts matter in regards to all clubs as to grips and lie angle. Your narrative helps to confirm that thought. It doesn’t mean this same set up wouldn’t work for another player. For example the Tour velvet is one of my preferred grips and Winn grips tend to feel grainy to me. So one man’s meat.

My third thought is that although the data normally contradicts me and also your results here, I haven’t found the huge groove regression in regards to spin rate on full shots either. I used a Ping Eye 2 PW for over 20 years keeping it as my GW even when I games newer models with stronger lofts.

I do however now own one of those groove sharpeners :)

Thanks for this post


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Made it to the practice facility this afternoon.  Wish I wouldn’t have, it is extremely soggy. Anyways, I have lots to share with you all on the wedge.  I’ll write it up before mid week.  I mean it was not just a little damp... 

 

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Played my first 18 holes in 3 weeks this morning. Used this club 9-10 times. I'm mostly using it in the 15-75 yard range. I hit a couple of full shots, but I'm leaving them right and shorter than my Scor wedge. I probably need to bend it to the 2* up that my clubs are at so I'll get on that this week.

 

I am having some success in the flop type shots. Hit 3 good ones which seemed easy to hit and stopped quicker than I expected. I don't know if it is the bounce or the larger head than I'm used to, but I don't mind easier flops around the green.

 

I will say the feel is much more muted and meh than what I'm used to with my Scor wedges. I'm a feel player and whether it's around the green, or longer shots, I'm definitely lacking the feel that I love.

 

Tomorrow is a 9 hole league round.

 

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Driver:  :ping-small: G400 (8*) with Diamana Kai'li X-stiff

Fairway:   :ping-small: G400 (14.5*) with Diamana Kai'li X-stiff

Irons: :ping-small: Crossover 3 iron (19*) with TT Dynamic Gold 120 S400 shaft

            :titelist-small: AP3 (4/5) and AP2 (6-PW) with TT Dynamic Gold 120 S400 shafts

Wedges: Scor 50*, 54*, and 58* with TT Dynamic Gold 120 S400 shafts

Putter:  :cameron-small: Pro Platinum Newport 2 Midslant

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Location: Illinois...until i can get my wife to move to a warmer climate

Right Handed: Although sometimes I wonder if left handed would suit me better :blink:

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Great stuff everyone! Nothing new to report here at the moment, but based on the compare and contrast I've done with the ZipCore and RTX 4, the two things that are standing out to me are the look at address (ZipCore appears slightly bulkier) and the differences in bounce (ZipCore - 12, RTX 4, 9). And despite the fact both wedges are the exact same weight, the RTX 4 feels more solid to me. I'll be doing more testing this week on the range and on course this weekend so I'll have more anecdotal data to share with you all soon! 

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Mizuno JPX 921 Forged 5-GW | Dynamic Gold X100
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