Freddie Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Hi, Looking for new irons and leaning towards Callaway Mavrik Series. I see that a lot of good golfers mix their iron sets by using more forgiving longer irons with more player type irons on the shorter end. Two questions: 1. If you were going to split your irons up (i'm a 15 handicap) would you go Mavrik Max on the long irons and Mavrik Pro or Mavrik standard on the short end? Where would you make the split (7 iron and below, 6 iron and above)? 2. Given that the Mavrik Series has faces designed for each iron individually so as to better provide the proper functionality to short, mid and long irons, would this AI designing remove the need to split irons? thanks, revkev 1 Quote Link to comment
Tom the Golf Nut Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Throughout the MGS community you will always see "get fit properly". There are too many reasons to list why you should. I can tell you that I know people with mixed sets that were fit to them. They had more forgiving irons in the 4 through 7 then switched over to another model within the same brand for the 8 through pitching wedge and then switched to another brand for the gap, sand, and lob wedges. It's all about what works for your swing (taking all things considered in the swing). If your a 15 handicap then doing it the right way will last you much longer and cost less in the long run of experimenting. I wish I would have done this years ago and maybe I wouldn't have about six or seven sets of clubs in my garage all claiming to be the cure in their day. I can't really help you on your second point. It is the manufactures claim that the artificial intelligence solves this problem. All golfers are different and not seeing enough testing would make me wonder if the results would be the same for everyone. I would tend not to think so in my opinion. revkev and xOldBenKenobiX 2 Quote Driver, TSi 1 S Flex 3 wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 5 wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 7 Wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 5 Hybrid King Tec MMT R Flex Irons, Tour UST Recoil 95 R Flex (6 - Gap) Wedges, Snakebite KBS Hi- Rev2.0 54* & 60* Agera 35" Ultralight 14-way Cart Bag Link to comment
revkev Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Tom the Golf Nut said: Throughout the MGS community you will always see "get fit properly". There are too many reasons to list why you should. I can tell you that I know people with mixed sets that were fit to them. They had more forgiving irons in the 4 through 7 then switched over to another model within the same brand for the 8 through pitching wedge and then switched to another brand for the gap, sand, and lob wedges. It's all about what works for your swing (taking all things considered in the swing). If your a 15 handicap then doing it the right way will last you much longer and cost less in the long run of experimenting. I wish I would have done this years ago and maybe I wouldn't have about six or seven sets of clubs in my garage all claiming to be the cure in their day. I can't really help you on your second point. It is the manufactures claim that the artificial intelligence solves this problem. All golfers are different and not seeing enough testing would make me wonder if the results would be the same for everyone. I would tend not to think so in my opinion. Everything he said except I only have three sets in the closet (because I've given two away.) A split set is a good idea and between 8 and 7 or 7 and 6 are the normal split point but everyone is different and every 15 is different. You might be a 15 with a stronger iron game than I have as a 4.6 - when you look at my handicap make up I'm around a 9 with my approach shots. I also have a shallow AOA so for that reason I need more GI and I make my split between PW and 9 iron or even sometimes between GW and PW. Ideally you'd get fit but at the very least you need to know your swing characteristics and your strengths or weaknesses if you are going to try and fit yourself. Good luck! Kansas King and xOldBenKenobiX 1 1 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment
Freddie Posted August 5, 2020 Author Share Posted August 5, 2020 Thanks for all your feedback TTGN and revkev. I'm planning on getting fit so making sure I have all the information to ask questions. I've been fit before for other clubs and Irons (8 yrs ago) and I've seen good and bad fitters. This time I want to make sure I get my money's worth. revkev and xOldBenKenobiX 2 Quote Link to comment
Tom the Golf Nut Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Finding a good fitter can be a task. Goog luck and keep us up to date. xOldBenKenobiX 1 Quote Driver, TSi 1 S Flex 3 wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 5 wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 7 Wood, Aerojet Max UST Helium Nanocore R Flex 5 Hybrid King Tec MMT R Flex Irons, Tour UST Recoil 95 R Flex (6 - Gap) Wedges, Snakebite KBS Hi- Rev2.0 54* & 60* Agera 35" Ultralight 14-way Cart Bag Link to comment
xOldBenKenobiX Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 4 hours ago, revkev said: Everything he said except I only have three sets in the closet (because I've given two away.) A split set is a good idea and between 8 and 7 or 7 and 6 are the normal split point but everyone is different and every 15 is different. You might be a 15 with a stronger iron game than I have as a 4.6 - when you look at my handicap make up I'm around a 9 with my approach shots. I also have a shallow AOA so for that reason I need more GI and I make my split between PW and 9 iron or even sometimes between GW and PW. Ideally you'd get fit but at the very least you need to know your swing characteristics and your strengths or weaknesses if you are going to try and fit yourself. Good luck! I started hiding some irons, so the wife don't know how many sets I got laying around. Hadi05, revkev, tony@CIC and 1 other 3 1 Quote My Reviews: 2023 Official review - Rapsodo MLM2Pro! 2022 Official Review - Edel SMS Wedges 2021 Official Review - Tommy Armour Impact 3 Putter 2020 Official Member Review - BagBoy Chiller Cart Bag Cobra SpeedZone Xtreme - Unofficial Review by xOldBenKenobiX Honma TR21 4 Wood - Unofficial Review by xOldBenKenobiX Driver - Cobra SpeedZone Xtreme 10.5, UST helium 5 Wood - . TR21 4 Wood, Vizard 20-60 and TW GS 5 Wood Vixard FD 55 301 Combo 301CB and 301MB . SMS 48*, 56*, 60* Putter: Lucky golf putter. Ball: : ProV1, :: Smart Sensors. Shoes: a couple :: A couple of A couple of Adidas , Yeah I have a shoe addiction.:: Started at 79mph, finished 1st stage at 91mph Link to comment
Hadi05 Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Hahaha! I started hiding some irons, so the wife don't know how many sets I got laying around. Sent from my SM-G960U using MyGolfSpy mobile app Quote Mavrik Max 9 degree loft w/ROUGE white X-Stiff 70g Maverick Max 3W, 5W w/ROUGE white X-Stiff 70g Mavrik Max 3H, KBS tour prototype 70/80 X-Stiff 80g Speedblade 4-PW, AW, SW KBS Siff 85g Ghost Sypder putter bourbon to be drank neat Link to comment
Firebird Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 (edited) When I was looking for new clubs, Mizuno actually recommended a mixed set. I have not seen the Mavrik irons, let alone hit them but the one thing I always want is that the top line when you look down looks the same. Edited August 11, 2020 by Firebird Quote Callaway Epic Flash 9 Degree Callaway Epic Flash 3 wood 15 Degree Callaway Apex 21 Hybrid 19 Degree Callaway Steelhead Pro 4-AW Irons Cleveland 54 Degree Wedge Steel Shaft Recoil Graphite Shafts in all Callaway Cobra Vintage Series Stingray 40 Preferred ball - Seed 001 Link to comment
bacchus Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Agree with get fit if you can, they will determine what is best route to go. A couple things I'd keep in mind as someone who plays a split set: 1. You need to pay attention to lofts because most manufactures have jacked up lofts on the game improvement/super game improvement irons, so its not necessarily a smooth progression. It also might not be as simple of bending lofts, because if you bend it too much it will change other characteristics like the bounce. 2. From my fitting experience and things I've read/seen, fitters generally recommend 6 iron as the club to split at. You can either have your 6 match your short irons or your long, often depends on how comfortable you are. 3. Definitely make sure you hit all the irons, I think generally you're going to notice more of a difference between the players-type long irons and game improvement long irons than between game improvement and super game improvement long irons. So in your case you might decided you'd rather just have a full bag of the Mavrik rather than Mavrik/Mavrik Max split set. Quote Driver : F7 - Project X Hzrdus Yellow 6.5 75g 3w: F7 Fairway - Project X Hzrdus Yellow 6.5 75g Hybrid: F6 Hybrid - KBS Tour Hybrid Prototype 95g X-Stiff Irons: JPX 900 Forged (4,5) JPX 900 Tour (6-P) KBS C-Taper 130 (Softstepped) Wedes: SM7 52* F Grind, 56* M Gind (KBS C-Taper 125), 60* S Grind Putter: Futura X7M Link to comment
Kansas King Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 Getting properly fit is the answer. However, regarding where you split is probably an answer you already know. What is the longest iron you strike reliably and confidently? If that is a 7-iron, you're split will probably be there. I wouldn't get lost in the Callaway marketing hoopla talking about AI as loft, lie, and length are still the primary attributes that will affect ball flight, not where Callaway meticulously places one gram of tungsten. Forgiveness is simply a result of physics which is generally boiled down into MOI, COG, etc. That's why Callaway has three versions of the Mavrik irons as there are trade-offs with most design choices with forgiveness being a big one. Depending on your situation the best option for the longer irons may by hybrids or loftier woods. The key thing is to go into a fitting with an open mind and get yourself irons that are best suited for your game. The Mavrik clubs are fine clubs and I'm sure you will find a good way to be fit into them. Don't get caught up with the number on the bottom of the club, the type of shaft, or length. Just try to find a good fitter and trust the process. You should also realize that if your game changes significantly or you pack on some muscle over the next five to ten years that you may need to be re-fit in the future. revkev 1 Quote Link to comment
Stuka44 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 Be careful mixing the Mavrik Irons. If you look carefully the 3 mavrik types(unless they have a combo set I am unaware of) all have different lofts associated with the same numbered clubs. You may end up with a gap between the two different makes of Marviks that you don't have a full swing club for. I looked initially at Cobra. They have King Forged CB/MB irons, where some are cavity back, and some are muscle back. I eventually went with Mavrik Pro because the lofts were more aggressive than my Burner 2.0's, and allowed me to remove my 3H(190), as the new 4 iron was a degree more aggressive than 3H, can now get 190 out of 4 iron, and at the bottom end gave me more aggressive PW loft I can get 120 out of, something I was missing. And with 3H removed from bag could insert extra 52 wedge for 100 yard shot. Look for lofts in new set that will fill in any gaps if there are any. Getting fit is probably a good thing, I tried it inside and you would have thought I had never swung a golf club before. That was early this year. Good Luck. revkev 1 Quote Driver: Cobra King Speedzone Irons: Mavrik 4-GW Wedges: CG-14 56 & RTX 52 Putter: Scottsdale Wolverine Woods: Gigagolf 3W, 2H, 3H Ball: Srixon Z-Star XV Link to comment
revkev Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 51 minutes ago, stuka44 said: Be careful mixing the Mavrik Irons. If you look carefully the 3 mavrik types(unless they have a combo set I am unaware of) all have different lofts associated with the same numbered clubs. You may end up with a gap between the two different makes of Marviks that you don't have a full swing club for. I looked initially at Cobra. They have King Forged CB/MB irons, where some are cavity back, and some are muscle back. I eventually went with Mavrik Pro because the lofts were more aggressive than my Burner 2.0's, and allowed me to remove my 3H(190), as the new 4 iron was a degree more aggressive than 3H, can now get 190 out of 4 iron, and at the bottom end gave me more aggressive PW loft I can get 120 out of, something I was missing. And with 3H removed from bag could insert extra 52 wedge for 100 yard shot. Look for lofts in new set that will fill in any gaps if there are any. Getting fit is probably a good thing, I tried it inside and you would have thought I had never swung a golf club before. That was early this year. Good Luck. I've been creating "self made" combo sets for years after gaming a real one that worked great for me, the Nicklaus Iron max, that was unfortunately stolen out of my trunk. I've been fit for full iron sets since then and never, ever been satisfied, I'm a better player who needs that look in my short irons, but an older player with a shallow AoA who needs some footprint beef in my middle irons and longer iron replacements whatever those might look like, in order to get them airborne and shoot the scores that I'm accustomed to. I've often found that when looking to create a blended set there needs to be some loft tweaking across the board, strengthening or weakening of a loft between the Players and GI middle irons, lofting the hybrid or fairway down in that gap as well. You have to be prepared to tweak until you get it just right for your swing - that will take a fitter and then some on course/range practice on your part also. Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment
TexasFullSend Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 Check out the Taylormade P760s. They are a combo set that ascetically doesn't look off. Basically you have a combo of players irons in the PW-8iron and then slightly players distance irons in the 7iron-4iron. each getting slightly strong lofts. I would without a doubt get fitted though. Not just to find out what club head you should game but to find out what shaft model fits your swing. PingMD702 1 Quote Driver: Taylormade Sim 2 Max 3 Wood: Callaway Epic Max Driving Iron: Titleist u510 Hybrid: Taylormade Gapr Irons: Taylormade P760 Wedges: Vokey Jet Black 52/56/60 Putter: Taylormade Spider X Ball: ProV1x Link to comment
PingMD702 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 I saw that Taylor Made came out with the ultimate blending chart for their new P770, P7MC, P7MB lines. I would definitely check that out since it is by far the most helpful chart I have ever seen when it comes to blending haha! I am currently debating whether to add the U500 or T100 4 iron, T100 5 & 6 iron (bent 1 degree weak), in place of my 620 CB 4-6 and keeping my scoring irons 7-9 in the CBs. I worry about gapping between the 4 utility iron and my 3h which is at 19*. What do you guys think about this? Quote Driver: Titleist TSr3 10 Degree Fujikura Ventus Blue TR Velocore 6x D1/Neutral setting (RH) 4 Wood: Titleist TSr2 16.5 Degree Fujikura Ventus Blue Velocore 7x D1 setting (RH) 7 Wood: Titleist TSr2 21 Degree Fujikura Ventus Blue Velocore 7x D1 setting (RH) 5 Hybrid: Titleist TSr2 24 Degree Fujikura Ventus Blue Velocore 8x B2 setting (RH) Irons: 2023 Titleist Black T100 5-PW AMT White S300 Onyx (RH) Wedges: 2023 Titleist Black T100 50 AMT White S300 Onyx, Titleist SM9 Premium Jet Black 54D/12 bounce, 58M/8 bounce BGT ZNE 130 wedge shafts (RH) Putter: Bettinardi Wizard Inovai 8.0 Custom with Stability Shaft Tour Black Ball: 2022 Titleist ProV1x (yellow) Link to comment
Buffly Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 On 8/5/2020 at 8:52 AM, Freddie said: Hi, Looking for new irons and leaning towards Callaway Mavrik Series. I see that a lot of good golfers mix their iron sets by using more forgiving longer irons with more player type irons on the shorter end. Two questions: 1. If you were going to split your irons up (i'm a 15 handicap) would you go Mavrik Max on the long irons and Mavrik Pro or Mavrik standard on the short end? Where would you make the split (7 iron and below, 6 iron and above)? 2. Given that the Mavrik Series has faces designed for each iron individually so as to better provide the proper functionality to short, mid and long irons, would this AI designing remove the need to split irons? thanks, There are so, so, so many variables that this comes down to a simple preference based on your experience when your try them yourself. You will need to test them to figure that out for yourself. The trend I have noticed is to actually focus on the stock shaft options. The heads are marketed to different golfers based on their ability and the head design is matched to that. The shaft is paired based off that criteria in the stock shaft. For instance, the Max vs Pro has a 80 vs 105 gram shaft. Max is designed to help get the ball up in the air more than Pro with the sole weighting. The lighter shaft helps slower swingers who need it. Along the same vein, faster swings usually mean they need a heavier shaft to match their ability. Yes, you can get a different shaft but, I suggest you look at what they put in the stock shaft to see who they are looking to target with their design. Based solely on your handicap, I would not recommend the Pro because the sweet spot is smaller. If you have a fastish swing then the Standard. If you have a slowish swing then the Max. And you can split the set where you start to have trouble finding the sweet spot. Usually, between the 6, 7, or 8. Plus, if long irons are troublesome then hybrids might even be better. The shaft matters as a timing device - weight affects tempo. Too light - can't control. Too heavy - becomes unwieldy. Quote Golf is simple - people are complicated. 5w Taylormade SLDR S 19* - 220yd, Ping G2 5-U - 190-105, Maltby M+ 54* & MG 60* - 95-75, Evnroll ER8, Titleist 816 H1 4h 21*, Maltby 4 Hybrid Iron 24* - 210-200, Callaway XR16 8* - 235 carry Link to comment
Buffly Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 On 8/26/2020 at 1:18 AM, PingMD702 said: I saw that Taylor Made came out with the ultimate blending chart for their new P770, P7MC, P7MB lines. I would definitely check that out since it is by far the most helpful chart I have ever seen when it comes to blending haha! I am currently debating whether to add the U500 or T100 4 iron, T100 5 & 6 iron (bent 1 degree weak), in place of my 620 CB 4-6 and keeping my scoring irons 7-9 in the CBs. I worry about gapping between the 4 utility iron and my 3h which is at 19*. What do you guys think about this? I feel your pain. I went 5w, 4h, 4 hybrid driving iron to solve my gaps. 5 wood=3 hybrid=2 iron 7 wood=4 hybrid=3 iron 9 wood=5 hybrid=4 iron The choice depends on your delivery tendency and consistency probability. If you are a good long iron player then the 4i might be the better choice. If you want easier height and more forgiveness then the U500. Quote Golf is simple - people are complicated. 5w Taylormade SLDR S 19* - 220yd, Ping G2 5-U - 190-105, Maltby M+ 54* & MG 60* - 95-75, Evnroll ER8, Titleist 816 H1 4h 21*, Maltby 4 Hybrid Iron 24* - 210-200, Callaway XR16 8* - 235 carry Link to comment
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