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3 minutes ago, yungkory said:

With Shotscope's latest update you basically have the option. @artful_golfer brought it up in the Shotscope thread, but basically if you tap the sensor on the underside of the watch, it registers. WIth their latest update, it puts a little indicator on the watch that shows which club it just registered.

For me, the biggest headache is the GPS accuracy. Don't know if it's because I'm in the middle of the Pacific, but tagging flags is a crapshoot at best. It's annoying to have to try and remember how far from the hole my putts were. Probably doesn't matter if you're not as obssessed with stats as I am, but personally it's pretty lame.

The tech is still kinda young so I'm hopeful that one day both products will start to narrow their gaps, kind of like Andoird and iOS where they slowly start taking features from each other.

I had major issue with GPS accuracy with putting and flag tagging.  Had to manually edit every flag and most putts after every round.

Maybe if I golfed for a living I wouldn't mind this manual intervention after every round - but it's already hard enough to get 4-5 hrs to play a round of golf with a family/2 young kids.  I don't have another 30 minutes when I get home to edit every hole

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This morning, Arccos updated on my Android phone (I would guess this update is already out on Apple as well). And it's a major revision in how stats are presented: so far, I'm massively impressed. My

I think I posted about this somewhere else, but I ended up snagging an iPhone 6 (which is still a very small phone) and I use it almost exclusively for Arccos (without a SIM card). For (quite a bit le

Wow - that is a pretty great update.  Love the way Arccos presents data, but need to see how everything goes with the Link before considering switching  back

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1 minute ago, jlukes said:

I had major issue with GPS accuracy with putting and flag tagging.  Had to manually edit every flag and most putts after every round

Just curious if you tried L1 + L5 mode? It didn't help me

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1 minute ago, yungkory said:

Just curious if you tried L1 + L5 mode? It didn't help me

Did not help.

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55 minutes ago, jlukes said:

Yup.  I just sold my Shotscope.  I am sitting out the data collecting game until someone gives me a seamless solution - from hardware to software to data interface and dashboards 

Just don't see it happening, there will always be manually editing, but probably should be closer than what it is now. 

47 minutes ago, yungkory said:

With Shotscope's latest update you basically have the option. @artful_golfer brought it up in the Shotscope thread, but basically if you tap the sensor on the underside of the watch, it registers. WIth their latest update, it puts a little indicator on the watch that shows which club it just registered.

For me, the biggest headache is the GPS accuracy. Don't know if it's because I'm in the middle of the Pacific, but tagging flags is a crapshoot at best. It's annoying to have to try and remember how far from the hole my putts were. Probably doesn't matter if you're not as obssessed with stats as I am, but personally it's pretty lame.

The tech is still kinda young so I'm hopeful that one day both products will start to narrow their gaps, kind of like Andoird and iOS where they slowly start taking features from each other.

This is a satellite/phone issue, have seen some issues in certain areas with Arccos as well. 

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Still not updated not sure why what’s the exact version if anyone has it up? This is what I have:

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1 minute ago, Lacassem said:

Still not updated not sure why what’s the exact version if anyone has it up? This is what I have:

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5 minutes ago, Lacassem said:

Still not updated not sure why what’s the exact version if anyone has it up? This is what I have:

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I think I saw that it was supposed to launch on 8/19/2020, maybe they are rolling out in phases. You have the PING version and I don't think the others who have updated do. 

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There we go had to force update.

this is cool knew I was losing strokes n the approach I like this suggestion

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1 hour ago, Lacassem said:

Still not updated not sure why what’s the exact version if anyone has it up? This is what I have:

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1 hour ago, Lacassem said:

There we go had to force update.

this is cool knew I was losing strokes n the approach I like this suggestion

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How did you force the update?

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1 hour ago, daviddvm said:

How did you force the update?

So if you go to App Store. On the bottom of the screen click today. After that click the little symbol of the person in the top right and it should bring you to what apps can be updated 

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14 minutes ago, Lacassem said:

So if you go to App Store. On the bottom of the screen click today. After that click the little symbol of the person in the top right and it should bring you to what apps can be updated 

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Arccos was not one of three ready for update.

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8 hours ago, yungkory said:

For me, the biggest headache is the GPS accuracy. Don't know if it's because I'm in the middle of the Pacific, but tagging flags is a crapshoot at best. It's annoying to have to try and remember how far from the hole my putts were. Probably doesn't matter if you're not as obssessed with stats as I am, but personally it's pretty lame.

The tech is still kinda young so I'm hopeful that one day both products will start to narrow their gaps, kind of like Andoird and iOS where they slowly start taking features from each other.

The GPS accuracy of my phone (Moto G7) is killing me.  I reached out to Arccos, and they told me that my GPS accuracy is garbage.  I've been using an old iPhone 5s in my pocket, when I remember it.  So that's why I ordered the Link.

No app update yet.

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17 hours ago, edingc said:

never had issues with GAME Golf missing a shot because if it did, that meant I didn't do my part to tag it. Can't say the same for ShotScope or Arccos. I get that for some people tagging is obtrusive, but I feel like the tech is there now for an "either or" option.

I can't claim to understand the psychology of it, but I always found tagging, no matter what app I was using, to be a huge pain. It's really kind of silly since I've been using phone-based GPS apps for something like 3-4 years now, so I have my phone out before every shot anyway, but I hated having to press a couple buttons to tag.

I'm still a little irritated that an update does not appear to be available to me yet. 🤬

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17 hours ago, THEZIPR23 said:

This is a satellite/phone issue, have seen some issues in certain areas with Arccos as well. 

Correct. Consumer GPS devices receive positioning data on one frequency whereas military and commercial grade devices typically employ two different frequencies to boost accuracy. Considering that one source I found stated consumer GPS accuracy to within 16ft (FEET!!!) and collecting meaningful and reliable data on and around the green is near useless and will always require user manipulation post round.

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Worth noting: I can absolutely confirm that the new version has totally rebuilt the strokes gained/handicap calculations. Because I'm using an iPhone 6 (which isn't getting this update) for collecting shots on the course but the Android version for analysis, I can compare them both head-to-head with the same round data. As of this morning, here's a direct comparison to my overall stats (old version Arccos on the left, new version on the right):

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So first, I'm convinced that the overall handicap number on the new version is much more accurate. I've been playing improved golf this year compared to last, and I loved when my Arccos handicap first dipped under 10. But that 8.7? That's not realistic at all.

I also find the category numbers to be more realistic. I know my tee game is a weakness, but I've never been convinced that I'm playing like a 30+ handicap off the tee (a number Arccos regularly gives me). And I am also pretty convinced that I'm a solid putter (relative to handicap), but was skeptical that Arccos kept rating me as better than a scratch player in that category.

@Tony Covey MGS has a great overview of the new stats system on the main blog today: https://mygolfspy.com/arccos-caddie-strokes-gained-analytics/

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An addendum: oddly, the web dashboard for Arccos still has the old numbers. I can somewhat get the inconsistency between old and new versions of the app, but I don't at all get why the desktop and app versions should be different.

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To the OP, does the SG page by hole shape reflect the case that you have more straight holes than doglegs?  You can't be 4x worse on straight holes on a relative basis.   But if most holes are straight, then you'll have more strokes lost on those.  And if that's the case, how can we know that page is meaningful?  Thanks.

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10 minutes ago, Don M said:

To the OP, does the SG page by hole shape reflect the case that you have more straight holes than doglegs?  You can't be 4x worse on straight holes on a relative basis.   But if most holes are straight, then you'll have more strokes lost on those.  And if that's the case, how can we know that page is meaningful?  Thanks.

It's an interesting question for which I don't have any access to the answer. Two possibilities:

  • If it is cumulative (strokes lost on straight holes per round versus strokes lost on doglegs per round), that seems stupid to me. It would tell me much more about the number of straight vs. dogleg holes on the course I play than it would about my own play. It might be set up this way; it might be a bug. But I hope this isn't true.
  • If it is on a per hole basis, I agree that it does seem odd that I'd be so much worse on straight holes. But here's my hypothesis: most of the doglegs on my course are strong doglegs that require layups into the corners. On those holes, I'm hitting less than driver. My guess is that on straight holes, when I'm more often hitting driver, I'm much more likely to pick up penalties and OBs, leading to the disparity.
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21 minutes ago, GolfSpy MPR said:

It's an interesting question for which I don't have any access to the answer. Two possibilities:

  • If it is cumulative (strokes lost on straight holes per round versus strokes lost on doglegs per round), that seems stupid to me. It would tell me much more about the number of straight vs. dogleg holes on the course I play than it would about my own play. It might be set up this way; it might be a bug. But I hope this isn't true.
  • If it is on a per hole basis, I agree that it does seem odd that I'd be so much worse on straight holes. But here's my hypothesis: most of the doglegs on my course are strong doglegs that require layups into the corners. On those holes, I'm hitting less than driver. My guess is that on straight holes, when I'm more often hitting driver, I'm much more likely to pick up penalties and OBs, leading to the disparity.

 

I took a second look at it, and I'm pretty sure it's cumulative, not relative.   So yeah, it's not that useful.  It wouldn't take much for them to make it useful with some sort of relative numbers.

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