JonMUSC08 Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 Call away just releases info on the new B-21 driver to be a 'spin killer' tailored towards those looking to reduce a slice. Jailbrake poles and a flash face look very promising for distance! Great looking color scheme! I am very interested to see how the esting goes with this in comparison to the Epic Flash and Mavrik Rickp and GolfSpy_SHARK 2 Quote Charleston, SC HDCP 13.0 Driver: M6 9* with 65g Stiff Mitsubishi Tensei Red shaft 3 wood: G425 stiff shaft 5 wood: Stealth 2 stiff shaft 4-gw irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal w/ X-stiff KBS 130gr shafts (soft stepped) Wedges: MG3 52, 56, 60 Putter: 34" Scotty Cameron 12.5 Ball: ProV-1x Tracked By: MGS Tester '20 - G710 Iron Review MGS Tester '19 - Precision Pro NX9 HD Pro laser rangefinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfspy_CG2 Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 I told you guys to keep your eyes open that something cool was cominng! Here's the Full Monty on it by Tony! https://mygolfspy.com/callaway-big-bertha-b-21-driver-and-fairway-woods/ Rickp, GolfSpy_SHARK, Nolan220 and 3 others 6 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russtopherb Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 Shape reminds me a lot of the Fusion, for sure. GolfSpy_SHARK, JonMUSC08 and Rickp 3 Quote In my carry bag: ST-X 10.5* Kai'li Blue R Flex ST-Z 15* Kai/li Blue R Flex ST-Z 4h Linq Blue R Flex Launcher 5h Launcher CBX 6i-PW CBX 54* & 58* Huntington Beach #10 e12 Contact CURRENTLY TESTING - Mizuno Long Game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMookie Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 Super Game Improvement category... Interesting that they take the one name that has a heritage and use it for this category. Game Improvement clubs do sell more commonly than the “Tour” stuff, but it’s still weird to me that Big Bertha isn’t the mainstream offering. They’ve been all over the place with it since 2013/2014. Perrymr, JohnSmalls and GolfSpy_SHARK 3 Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russtopherb Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 16 minutes ago, PMookie said: Super Game Improvement category... Interesting that they take the one name that has a heritage and use it for this category. Game Improvement clubs do sell more commonly than the “Tour” stuff, but it’s still weird to me that Big Bertha isn’t the mainstream offering. They’ve been all over the place with it since 2013/2014. Big Bertha's been SGI since it was reintroduced a few years ago. PMookie 1 Quote In my carry bag: ST-X 10.5* Kai'li Blue R Flex ST-Z 15* Kai/li Blue R Flex ST-Z 4h Linq Blue R Flex Launcher 5h Launcher CBX 6i-PW CBX 54* & 58* Huntington Beach #10 e12 Contact CURRENTLY TESTING - Mizuno Long Game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
null Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, russtopherb said: Big Bertha's been SGI since it was reintroduced a few years ago. Maybe with irons, but not with Woods. Big Bertha Alpha and Big Bertha (2013/2014) we Callaway's flagship low spin and standard drivers. That was followed by the Big Bertha Alpha and BBA Double Black Diamond which were far from SGI. Then they had the Big Bertha Epic, which again, was not SGI. Even the Big Bertha V Series wasn't SGI, it was just lightweight. PMookie and JohnSmalls 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russtopherb Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 Just now, jlukes said: Maybe with irons, but not with Woods. Big Bertha Alpha and Big Bertha (2013/2014) we Callaway's flagship low spin and standard drivers. That was followed by the Big Bertha Alpha and BBA Double Black Diamond which were far from SGI. Then they had the Big Bertha Epic, which again, was not SGI. Even the Big Bertha V Series wasn't SGI, it was just lightweight. Good point. I was thinking of the original re-introduction of the BB driver with the sliding weight along with the giant headed irons they had for a few years. Completely spaced out on the BB Alpha and DBD. I stand corrected. JohnSmalls 1 Quote In my carry bag: ST-X 10.5* Kai'li Blue R Flex ST-Z 15* Kai/li Blue R Flex ST-Z 4h Linq Blue R Flex Launcher 5h Launcher CBX 6i-PW CBX 54* & 58* Huntington Beach #10 e12 Contact CURRENTLY TESTING - Mizuno Long Game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 This is a good summary (from the MGS article): "you can think of it as a higher launching, more forgiving, anti-slice version of the Sub Zero" Rickp and JohnSmalls 2 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quigleyd Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 I got to see these in hand a few weeks ago. I think callaway is completely genius with this line. So smart and well done for the targeted golfers. Quote Driver: Callaway Paradym Triple diamond 10.5 Ventus black TR 6x 3 wood ; Callaway Paradym triple diamond 15 degree, Ventus black TR 7x Apex UW 19 degree, Ventus black TR 8x Utility Iron: Mizuno Pro Fli Hi 4 utility, Ventus blue HB 90X Irons: Callaway Apex MB 5-PW, KBS $ taper 130x Wedges: Callaway Jaws Raw 50, 54, 58, KBS $ taper 130x Putter: Wilson Staff TM22, hand torched, KBS cutter putter shaft, Super stroke Pistol GT 1.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 25 minutes ago, Quigleyd said: I got to see these in hand a few weeks ago. I think callaway is completely genius with this line. So smart and well done for the targeted golfers. I'm interested to see how this works out for the targeted audience. In theory it sounds good. Quigleyd 1 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
03trdblack Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 If this club acts anything like the Big Bertha Fusion that came out a few years ago then I will be all over it. The BB Fusion was so overlooked and it was an absolutely point and shoot driver with super low spin (for me). I bought and sold that club twice I liked it so much. Quote My bag is a revolving door! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMookie Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 3 hours ago, russtopherb said: Big Bertha's been SGI since it was reintroduced a few years ago. Yes, I know, it still seems odd that when they came back with Big Bertha in 2014, it was a HUGE launch, and a big deal about the history of BB. Then, a couple years later, another big launch of the newest version of the GBB driver. Again, heritage of the name, going back to the roots, pulling on people’s memory of the name and performance. When they shifted it to Game Improvement a few years back, it made no sense to me, and it still doesn’t. Use “Flash” for GI. It will be here and gone... Keep BB for the heritage, and make it the top group like it used to be. russtopherb, JohnSmalls and aerospace_ray 3 Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMookie Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 3 hours ago, dlow206 said: This is a good summary (from the MGS article): "you can think of it as a higher launching, more forgiving, anti-slice version of the Sub Zero" Hmm. Wouldn’t that be the Mavrik Max???? The Sub Zero is a very low spin driver.... Anti-slice and Sub Zero are not in the same atmosphere. Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 Just now, PMookie said: Hmm. Wouldn’t that be the Mavrik Max???? The Sub Zero is a very low spin driver.... Anti-slice and Sub Zero are not in the same atmosphere. Yeah, i know the anti-slice and Sub Zero are not in the same atmosphere. I guess the assumption here with this new Big Bertha is that the slicers hit high spinning open face heel slices. So reducing the spin with reduce the curvature. This is what the MGS article says: "To kill spin, Callaway is relying on a low and forward center of gravity location. By way of comparison, we’re not talking Mavrik forward but it’s significantly more forward than Mavrik Max and lower than both." I wonder if this will actually be a "forgiving" driver. In reading, I'm not seeing all that much tech around forgiveness except for the standard recent Callaway stuff like flash face. It feels like this is going to be a draw-biased Sub Zero in my opinion. PMookie 1 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 I am also curious to hit this club because in theory it should be the mostly the opposite of what I am looking for. I like to play a fade but don't hit the big banana slice ever. Once in a while I will hit a push fade or even a push slice when I get too quick. However, I am already on the low spin side. My misses tend to be high toe, so the ball comes out low spin. Even my good shots I would say are slightly toe biased. Almost never hit one off the heel unless I am messing around with my setup and standing really close to the ball. Would be an interesting experiment that i predict won't work well. Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonMUSC08 Posted August 18, 2020 Author Share Posted August 18, 2020 Yea this will be real interesting if it pushes the Ping SFT out of the 'anti-slice' ring or is a new best choice for slow-swing drivers Quote Charleston, SC HDCP 13.0 Driver: M6 9* with 65g Stiff Mitsubishi Tensei Red shaft 3 wood: G425 stiff shaft 5 wood: Stealth 2 stiff shaft 4-gw irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal w/ X-stiff KBS 130gr shafts (soft stepped) Wedges: MG3 52, 56, 60 Putter: 34" Scotty Cameron 12.5 Ball: ProV-1x Tracked By: MGS Tester '20 - G710 Iron Review MGS Tester '19 - Precision Pro NX9 HD Pro laser rangefinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middler Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 Sounds too good to be true, and the TXG and Crossfield early reviews weren’t as optimistic as the ad copy. If it really works I’d be interested, though I HATE the blue crown. We’ll see what more in depth reviews and player experiences say. Quote Titleist TSR2 11° HZRDUS Red CB 50 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Titleist TSR2 16.5º HZRDUS Red 60 CB 6.0 & TSR2 21º HZRDUS Black 4G 70 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Mizuno JPX923 HMP 4-GW, T22 54.12WS, T22 58.04DC w Lamkin ST+2 Hybrid Midsize Evnroll EV5.3 Maxfli Tour & ProV1 Ping Pioneer - MGI Zip Navigator AT Payntr X 002 LE, Ecco Biom C4, FJ DryJoys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan220 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 Slice killer face off .. ping sft vs big Bertha b-21.. might be a new category in the most wanted driver test Quote Speedzone Driver Tensei AV Blue or G400 SFT 10. KBS TD 50 Category 3 shaft King Speedzone Black Yellow Fairway 3 wood Tensei AV Blue 65 F9 SpeedBack Black Grey Fairway 5 Wood ATMOS Tour Spec Blue 7 shaft T300 4i-GW - Tensei AV Blue AM2 Regular Flex or JPX 900 Hot Metal 5 - GW Project X Lz 4.5 Regular Flex Graphite Glide 2.0 SS Wedges 54 & 58 TP Red White Ardmore Putter - BGT Stability Tour Black shaft Precision Pro NX7 range finder Ultralight Cart Bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbmullin Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 couple videos on youtube from Callaway regarding the tech in the b21 vs the mavrik. Interesting , I jumped in early on Mavrik and after some initial success just could not get it under control, went to the sim and been mostly happy with it since. I am curious to give this a try at least and see what the performance is vs my current sim driver. I did not want to be interested in these but if they can help me hit more fairways I am interested in the driver for sure. I am loving the mavrik irons still. Quote DRIVER - Ping G425 SFT Driver Tensei AV 55 Orange Reg Flex Woods - Ping G425 7 wood Tensei AV 65 Orange Reg Flex Irons - Cobra Rad Speed 1 Length UST Recoil 780 Smacwrap Graphite Reg Flex WEDGES- Callaway jaws 52/56/60 PUTTER- Taylormade FCG spider putter 34" BALL- Pro V1x or Tp5X -- trying to figure this one out. Footjoy Tour S golf shoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jbmullin said: couple videos on youtube from Callaway regarding the tech in the b21 vs the mavrik. Interesting , I jumped in early on Mavrik and after some initial success just could not get it under control, went to the sim and been mostly happy with it since. I am curious to give this a try at least and see what the performance is vs my current sim driver. I did not want to be interested in these but if they can help me hit more fairways I am interested in the driver for sure. I am loving the mavrik irons still. Are you a slicer? Just curious because I saw you have your SIM lowered from 10.5 to 9.75 which opens up the face. Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbmullin Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, dlow206 said: Are you a slicer? Just curious because I saw you have your SIM lowered from 10.5 to 9.75 which opens up the face. I do on occasion go left .. way left. I have been experimenting with the TM loft sleeve alot on the range trying to find optimum settings and funny enough I found the most success with this setting. I have recently after a couple poor driving rounds moved the set up back to the standard set up and just trying to sort it out again. Quote DRIVER - Ping G425 SFT Driver Tensei AV 55 Orange Reg Flex Woods - Ping G425 7 wood Tensei AV 65 Orange Reg Flex Irons - Cobra Rad Speed 1 Length UST Recoil 780 Smacwrap Graphite Reg Flex WEDGES- Callaway jaws 52/56/60 PUTTER- Taylormade FCG spider putter 34" BALL- Pro V1x or Tp5X -- trying to figure this one out. Footjoy Tour S golf shoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted August 19, 2020 Share Posted August 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jbmullin said: I do on occasion go left .. way left. I have been experimenting with the TM loft sleeve alot on the range trying to find optimum settings and funny enough I found the most success with this setting. I have recently after a couple poor driving rounds moved the set up back to the standard set up and just trying to sort it out again. Unless you are a slicer, I would imagine that the B-21 would cause you to go left of left. On the TXG video, Ian had a pretty neutral swingpath and he felt shots that would normally go straight for him were going left with the B-21. Jbmullin 1 Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozzit Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 I guess i missed this article when it first dropped but listened to the podcast and am curious about this driver. I have been a lifetime slicer and although have reduced it that big bomb left still pokes it head on occasion. I want to hit this and really see how it goes. I know I cut across the ball and when I get a straight one out there think its likely due to hitting the toe and counteracting some of the slice. Quote Driver: Ben Hogan GS53 4W: Maltby KE4 2i: Maltby KE4 FDI 4-PW: Maltby TS-1 - C-Taper 120g 50,54,58: Maltby TSW Putter: L.A.B. DF2.1 Accra Shaft 2023 Forum Testers - L.A.B. Putters Ball: Mixed prefer ProV1 or Snell Handicap: 9.2 - Best Score: 72 (E) Springdale CC, Canton NC -2022 2020 Forum Tester - Ben Hogan GS53 Driver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prussell24 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 My miss is a slice when I get sloppy with my hands and leave the face open. Wonder if this would help reduce the damage when that happens over moving to far left when I am more on my game. Definitely want to give this a hit. Quote 917 D2 9.5 - Project X Hzrdus Smoke Black 70g 6.5 M2 (2017) 3W 17.5 - G 4H 22 - 735cm 3 - PW - KBS Tour Black Nickel 115g ( R ) SM4 Tour Chrome 52˚- 8˚ | 56˚- 8˚ | 60˚- 7˚ - True Temper Dynamic Gold ( W ) California Coronado MTB-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrymr Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 Had a chance to hit a few with the BBB21 stock shaft the other day. Shots do definitely wanted to draw/hook but I fight a hook anyway, and was actually surprised that I didn't snap hook more of them. Sound was very different than the flash and the mavrik, much more metallic and sharp sounding. Didnt love the sound. I didn't love the shaft, stated flex was stiff but felt a lot softer. Probably not the club for me, but I'm sure it will work for some. pkgavin 1 Quote Lefty Epic flash 9*+2* HZRDS smoke stiff 60g T100s/200 combo project x LZ 6.5 125g std length 2* upright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quigleyd Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 I hit this driver yesterday. While it is not for me I was very impressed with what it is trying to accomplish. The ball will not go right. Plus, if you have any kind of speed but fight the high rights (right handed). This driver could be a bit of a unicorn for you. This driver really accomplishes a draw biased head, that looks really good and just wants to go straight or left and has plenty of ball speed potential due to not over spinning the ball. Quote Driver: Callaway Paradym Triple diamond 10.5 Ventus black TR 6x 3 wood ; Callaway Paradym triple diamond 15 degree, Ventus black TR 7x Apex UW 19 degree, Ventus black TR 8x Utility Iron: Mizuno Pro Fli Hi 4 utility, Ventus blue HB 90X Irons: Callaway Apex MB 5-PW, KBS $ taper 130x Wedges: Callaway Jaws Raw 50, 54, 58, KBS $ taper 130x Putter: Wilson Staff TM22, hand torched, KBS cutter putter shaft, Super stroke Pistol GT 1.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TENBUCK Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Good review of the B21!! Quote G400 MAX Ping Tour 65 FW 15* King F-7 PRO-65 G400 Hybrid Alta CB-70 PXG 0211 5-SW Mitsubishi MMT Graphite AP1 52* SW TT XP-95 MG 58* TT DG Wedge Scotty Cameron Custom welded LN Grips- GP MCC+4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Zeke Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 I"ve had this in play since last fall. Everyone keeps saying, "it won't go right". Well I disagree. I fight a slice/big fade and am working to correct my "over the top" move, but I'm just wondering if anyone has experience with other newer drivers that seem to be better at slice reduction. Quote Flying Fast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cologne Open Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 My miss is a blocked high right. With the bb21 and a hzrdus smoke black it just turned the Block in a nice high Draw curving on the fairway. Good shots still on the left side of the fairway with endless roll. jroot327 1 Quote Driver: Ping G410 Plus, 10,5°, Alta CB Stiff 3-Wood: Ping G410SF 16°, Alta CB Stiff 5-Wood: Callaway Rogue 18° Project X EvenFlow 70 Hybrid: Callaway Rogue 4 21° Aldila Synergie 60 70g Irons: Callaway Mavrik 5-GW KBS TGI Tour Graphite 90 Wedges: Cleveland RTX Zipcore 56°/12 and 60°/10 Putter: Odyssey Stroke Lab 7 Ball: Pro V1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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