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I know players irons aren't designed to be forgiving, but I would still like to hear people's opinions on the topic.  Especially interested in the manner in which you found them to be forgiving (thin shots, sole interaction, toe shots, heel shots, etc).  I've looked at the official MGS rankings but would really like to hear about your personal experience.

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When I was doing my fitting, I was hitting mostly GI irons, but also hit the Wilson D7 forged. While I ended up fitting best into the standard Mavriks, the D7 numbers weren't that far off for me. On solid hits, they were extremely similar to the Mavriks, but they were a bit more punishing on mishits. Not blade punishing levels - the ball still went, but didn't go as far as mishits on the GI irons I hit.

So, it's a small sample size and wasn't playing them in a round, but it seems like the D7 are pretty forgiving for a players distance style iron.

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I dont know if my categorization of what a "players distance iron" is matches everyone else's, but here are 3 irons I think are a good combination of distance and forgiveness, while still having some "players" features.

1.  Titleist T100s-  probably a bit biased here, as this is what I play, but I play them because I think they are a great mix of workability/forgiveness/distance.  I dont consider myself a great ball striker,  but I still enjoy these irons, they do a great job with distance control and consistency, while still being workable and very appealing to the eye.

2.  Mavrik Pros-  a bit of a thicker top line, but I enjoyed testing these irons.  The head is compact enough that better players shouldn't be too turned off by it. Lots of distance and tech built in. Feel good for cast.

 

3. P770S-  As much as I hated the P790s, I really dig the p770s,  looks like a blade (obviously a bit thick in spots) but has lots of pop, and feels 100x better than the p790.

 

I know you asked "how are they forgiving " and I dont have specifics per se, the only way I can describe the forgiveness for all of these is this, I never felt unfairly punished for a less than stellar swing, and never felt these irons were "too good" for me.  Yes, miss hits didn't fly as far,  and toe strikes drew more, but i never felt like I bit off more club than I could handle.

 

 

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8 hours ago, Perrymr said:

I dont know if my categorization of what a "players distance iron" is matches everyone else's, but here are 3 irons I think are a good combination of distance and forgiveness, while still having some "players" features.

1.  Titleist T100s-  probably a bit biased here, as this is what I play, but I play them because I think they are a great mix of workability/forgiveness/distance.  I dont consider myself a great ball striker,  but I still enjoy these irons, they do a great job with distance control and consistency, while still being workable and very appealing to the eye.

2.  Mavrik Pros-  a bit of a thicker top line, but I enjoyed testing these irons.  The head is compact enough that better players shouldn't be too turned off by it. Lots of distance and tech built in. Feel good for cast.

 

3. P770S-  As much as I hated the P790s, I really dig the p770s,  looks like a blade (obviously a bit thick in spots) but has lots of pop, and feels 100x better than the p790.

 

I know you asked "how are they forgiving " and I dont have specifics per se, the only way I can describe the forgiveness for all of these is this, I never felt unfairly punished for a less than stellar swing, and never felt these irons were "too good" for me.  Yes, miss hits didn't fly as far,  and toe strikes drew more, but i never felt like I bit off more club than I could handle.

 

 

This is a good list, based on my last test.   With one caveat.  The P790 is more forgiving than the P770, not a ton more forgiving, but more forgiving none the less.   Another caveat, the P790 is not for everyone.  If you are in a good spin window with standard irons, or on the low end the P790 are much lower spin than the P770.

I also found the new Cobra Forged TEC on the same level with the P770's and for me they were in about the same window, spin and launch.

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What type of forgiveness are you looking for? If you don’t have a problem getting the ball in the air you really don’t care about irons that will be forgiving in that way. For toe hits do you want directional or distance forgiveness? Do you hit the ball fat and want wider soles to prevent digging?

Pretty much all clubs; with the possible exception of
Muscle backs, have some built In forgiveness. After testing all these clubs I find it very hard to differentiate significant forgiveness differences. What I do find is that some work better for my swing than others but I would attribute that to the club not being fit to my swing needs.

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Thanks for the replies. Keep ‘me coming. 


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Callaway Big Bertha Heavenwood

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If youre looking for pure forgiveness, I would sift thru the GolfWorks MPF data.  Not for the final score, but the MOI data.  The MOI youll see in MPF is the actual measurement of the resistance to twisting on off center hits, which is the purpose behind perimeter weighting.  

It can also be enlightening.  😉😲

Doesn't hurt to also look at CG location.  Overgeneralizing, sweepers might like lower CG, steeper players might like higher CG, heel miss players might like shorter C-dimension, and so on.

I'm a bit of a data nerd, so it appeals to me for these sorts of questions.  <shrug>

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I'm not being partial but you should read the Sub-70 699 pro, member testing thread and the MGS official review.

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If you don’t mind an older club, the RBZ Tour and or the Tour Preferred MC are extremely helpful on the thin shots.

Comparing the T100s to the RBZ Tour the RBZ offers a load more forgiveness.  The speed a lot helps a ton here.  I imagine the 770’s are very similar.

The T100S has the RBZ Tour all day long in the feel department though.

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On 9/9/2020 at 10:37 AM, Hook DeLoft said:

I know players irons aren't designed to be forgiving, but I would still like to hear people's opinions on the topic.  Especially interested in the manner in which you found them to be forgiving (thin shots, sole interaction, toe shots, heel shots, etc).  I've looked at the official MGS rankings but would really like to hear about your personal experience.

Honma TR20 P & V. They’ve blown away my Srixons. Probably a better shaft fit for me as well, but these irons are honestly the best I’ve played in awhile. So good. So consistent, and quite forgiving, and if you get a chance to do a fitting for them with a Honma rep, you’ll be pleasantly surprised with their performance, and they’re no more expensive than a set of Titleist/Mizuno/TaylorMade.

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12 minutes ago, PMookie said:

Honma TR20 P & V. They’ve blown away my Srixons. Probably a better shaft fit for me as well, but these irons are honestly the best I’ve played in awhile. So good. So consistent, and quite forgiving, and if you get a chance to do a fitting for them with a Honma rep, you’ll be pleasantly surprised with their performance, and they’re no more expensive than a set of Titleist/Mizuno/TaylorMade.

I am not sure they blow away my srixons;  I have been hitting them as part of most wanted testing and would love to put a set in my bag.   But I have really like almost all the clubs in the players category. 

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1 hour ago, cnosil said:

I am not sure they blow away my srixons;  I have been hitting them as part of most wanted testing and would love to put a set in my bag.   But I have really like almost all the clubs in the players category. 

As you’ve said many times, one club doesn’t fit everyone. They are the best irons I’ve played in a long time... 

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Playing Ping G410's all of 2019 and Wilson Staff blades all of 2020 I still contend that "forgiveness" is highly overrated. Not that it doesn't exsist. Just overrated. Flame away!😀

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1 hour ago, braincramp said:

Playing Ping G410's all of 2019 and Wilson Staff blades all of 2020 I still contend that "forgiveness" is highly overrated. Not that it doesn't exsist. Just overrated. Flame away!😀

no flaming, just curious what makes you say that. 

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22 minutes ago, Chip Strokes said:

no flaming, just curious what makes you say that. 

Because a bad shot is still a bad shot. If I hit my G410 off the toe I still lost yardage. Maybe 5 yards instead of 10 but it was still a miss. If I flush my blade the results are the same as a flushed G410. Now, if I HAD to play long irons there is no question I'd play the 410's. There just isn't the enormous difference that some make it out to be especially from the 6 iron on down. My handicap went down 2 points from a 10 to a 8 this year. If SGI irons really made that much of a difference my handicap shouldn't have gone down. Did the blades make the difference? I don't think so. My handicap went down because I played more golf. Do blades take more effort to play? Sure they do. For me it's worth it. Just my opinion. How much golf you play has a lot more to do with playing well than the tool you use to play it.

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1 minute ago, braincramp said:

Because a bad shot is still a bad shot. If I hit my G410 off the toe I still lost yardage. Maybe 5 yards instead of 10 but it was still a miss. If I flush my blade the results are the same as a flushed G410. Now, if I HAD to play long irons there is no question I'd play the 410's. There just isn't the enormous difference that some make it out to be especially from the 6 iron on down. My handicap went down 2 points from a 10 to a 8 this year. If SGI irons really made that much of a difference my handicap shouldn't have gone down. Did the blades make the difference? I don't think so. My handicap went down because I played more golf. Do blades take more effort to play? Sure they do. For me it's worth it. Just my opinion. How much golf you play has a lot more to do with playing well than the tool you use to play it.

i agree with all of this. i’m new to golf and chose to go with small players irons over GI irons because i want to force myself to improve, as opposed to letting the clubs do the work for me. 

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1 minute ago, Chip Strokes said:

i agree with all of this. i’m new to golf and chose to go with small players irons over GI irons because i want to force myself to improve, as opposed to letting the clubs do the work for me. 

There are some that will tell you that what you're doing doesn't work. I honestly have no idea if they're right or not. It still comes down to effort. How much effort a person puts into anything be it work,marriage, or golf or anything else determines the end result. Holy crap! I'm gettin' pretty deep here. What I'm trying to say is that if there was a set of irons I could go out and buy and they would make me shoot par or better rather I played once a month or 15 times a month, I'd buy them no matter what they felt like or looked like. Unfortunately , they don't exist.

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It all depends what kind of help or forgiveness you are looking for - I can only speak to my experience, but I tested out a bunch of player distance irons last winter and was seduced by the length of the p790s (who doesn’t want to see a 7 iron fly 180, and come in at 48 degrees?). When I took them out on the course, I couldn’t control the distance and it created gapping issues throughout the bag. The misses were fine, but spin disappeared and I flew greens too often. 
I took them back and got some mp20 mmc in the mid-irons and they are really consistent with distance and spin (my miss is catching it a bit thin, and there is little distance variance and they still hold). When I really miss, with a brain-fart swing, no club in the world is saving that shot.

to be honest, I hit the mizunos on a launch monitor against the oldest irons I own (a set of Nike vr forged pro combo) and the Nikes are as forgiving and consistent as the new mizunos. If I hadn’t shelled out the cash, it is tempting to play them again (with a 35deg 7 iron).

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I find my Titleist AP3 forgiving on fat and thin shots, but not heel or toe. They’re hard enough to hit that I have to practice and pay attention, but not so difficult to take the enjoyment away. And this is going to sound weird, but I love how a flushed iron feels at impact, but not in love with the sound. I’m not sure if these compare more directly to T-100 or T -200 but they’ll be much cheaper than either...

 

 

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I play the I500s and find them pretty forgiving. Asian still some focus needed but those alight mishits still find the green, if I lost 10 yards not, 5 maybe I don't catch it and have to chip. I would also say when trying players distance to watch the spin and try different golf balls. Decent angle helps to stop but soon can really help moderate the distance and manage it. As a bit of a spinny iron player I almost never hit a no spin flier, but if your spin is borderline that drop might give you a flier. TXG has shown a number of times moving to a Mizuno ball the spring going up by 500 might take a set from unplayable to good to go moving those fliers up 500 in spin.


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