cciciora13 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 I saw this post on Facebook from PGA.... Interesting question. I feel like no 3 putts would really limit some mistakes on the green to improve scores, but on the other hand longer drives would lead to closer approach shots and putts. I think I would lean to no 3 putts! What do you guys think? Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy josmi15, MattF and GolfSpy_SHARK 3 Quote In my bag: Driver: Ben Hogan GS53 10.5* Stiff Mitsubishi tensei blue Stiff 3 Wood: 939 x 15 deg. UST Proforce Black V2 7F4 stiff Hybrid: 939x Hybrid UST 680 recoil shaft stiff Irons: 699 irons 4-PW KBS tour 90 v Stiff 50 Deg: TAIII Satin 54 deg: TAIII Satin 58 Deg: TAIII Satin Putter: 004 Single Bend Masters Edition Rangefinder: Caddytek V2 Check out my MyGolfSpy 2020 Forum Official Tester: Ben Hogan GS53 Driver Link to comment
Cory O Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 (edited) Never three putt, hands down easy answer (and this is from someone who rarely three putts anyways). That 300 yard drive is going to impact maybe 14 of your holes (and several of those that might not put you into the ideal position regardless) where as the never three putt will impact every single hole. ....of course if the posts I constantly see on 18birdies are to be believed, most dudes are driving 320 and 1 putting everything anyways, so it might all be a moot point. Edited September 10, 2020 by Cory O Nic, GolfSpy_SHARK, fixyurdivot and 3 others 6 Quote 2024 is the year of the short set! Driver: TaylorMade BRNR 11.5* stiff Hybrid: PXG 0311 GEN5 19* Irons: JustGolf Forged Blades (4, 6, 8, PW) Wedge: 56* Forged Prototype Putter: PXG Blackjack Center Shaft 34" Bag: Sunday Golf Loma XL Link to comment
Chip Strokes Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 already having the former i’ll gladly take the latter! Nic 1 Quote SIM2 8º | KuroKage XD 70TX SIM 3W 14º | Fujikura Atmos Black Tour Spec 9TX SIM2 5W 18º | Fujikura Ventus Black 10X U500 2i | Fujikura Ventus HB Black 10TX T100 4-PW | Dynamic Gold X7 SM6 52* SM8 56* SM8 60* | Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 DW | BGT Stability Tour Link to comment
tony@CIC Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 No 3 putts for me. Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy Nic and fixyurdivot 2 Quote Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment
MadMex Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 My OCD kicked in, Are the 300 yards down the middle every time? Then I’ll take it If not , then I’ll take the no 3 putts cciciora13 1 Quote DRIVER: Cobra F-8 set at 10.5, Aldila NV 2KXV Blue 60 (R) 44 1/2 " 3 & 5 WOOD: Callaway XR-16, Fujikura Speeder Evolution 565 Red (R) IRONS 5-SW: PING G-700, 2 upright, std loft Alta CB (R) + 1/2" HYBRID 3-4: PING G-410, 1 upright, Alta CB 70 Red (R) + 1/2" PUTTER: Byron Experimental GSS Link to comment
silver & black Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Never 3 putt. fixyurdivot 1 Quote Link to comment
MattF Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Never 3 putt again, ever. fixyurdivot and silver & black 2 Quote In the bag: Driver: TSR2 Project X HZRDUS Black 5.5 Fairway: Apex UW 19° & 21° Project X HZRDUS Smoke RDX Black 5.5 Irons: JPX 923 HMP 5-PW UST Mamiya Recoil 95 F4 Wedges: T-22 Denim Copper 48°, 52° & 56° UST Mamiya Recoil 95 F4 Putter Sycamore 005 Wide Blade Bag: Alpha Convoy 514 Balls: Chrome Soft X Cart: CaddyLite ONE Ver. 8 God Bless America, God save the King, God defend New Zealand and thank Christ for Australia! Link to comment
palvord Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 300yd drives. I gotta give myself the best chance to score the lowest number possible, and that's what distance does. I'll gladly three putt once or twice per round if it meant I was hitting 300yd drives. Kansas King, fixyurdivot and HardcoreLooper 3 Quote In my Ultralight Stand Bag: Driver: Rogue 10.5° - LH - Project X EvenFlow 60 Stiff Woods: King F9 - LH - 3/4 Wood - Atmos Blue TS 7 Stiff King F9 - LH - 5/6 Wood - Atmos Blue TS 7 Stiff Irons: King F9 - LH - 5-GW - KBS C-Taper Lite Stiff Wedges: King Black - LH - 52° 56° 60° - KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 Stiff Putter: - Impact No. 3 Ball: Maxfli TourX Rangefinder: LX5 Watch Link to comment
DiscipleofPenick Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Never 3 putt. That would eliminate everything above a double bogey and those would become rarer too.Take Dead Aim silver & black 1 Quote Take Dead Aim Driver: PXG 0211 10.5* Fairway: Titleist 917 F3 15* Hybrid: Adams Idea Pro Boxer Gold 18* Irons: MacGregor MT-86 Pro Wedges: Vokey 50/54/58 Putter: SeeMore X2 Costa del Mar Ball: Srixon Z-Star Link to comment
DaveP043 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 If I can retain my current accuracy, from an angular standpoint, I'd take 300 yard drives. Gaining 50 yards or so would mean much shorter seconds, more greens, better proximity. And with my current accuracy, I'd only miss maybe 1 additional fairway per round. 3-putts are most often caused by being a long ways from the hole. If every approach shot is 50 yards shorter, I'll be "far away" much less often, so longer drives will decrease the number of 3-putts automatically. TR1PTIK, HardcoreLooper, GolfSpy_SHARK and 4 others 7 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment
TR1PTIK Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 11 hours ago, cciciora13 said: I saw this post on Facebook from PGA.... Interesting question. I feel like no 3 putts would really limit some mistakes on the green to improve scores, but on the other hand longer drives would lead to closer approach shots and putts. I think I would lean to no 3 putts! What do you guys think? Seeing as there isn't a quantity attached to 3-putts, I'll take the 300-yard drives. I can tolerate one 3-putt every round (annoying as it would be), but assuming the increased driving distance carries over to the rest of my bag I should be able to get a few more looks at birdie. That said, my current driving distance according to Arccos averages just shy of 270-yards and I'm averaging 2.5 3-putts per round over the last 5 rounds so either option has the potential to help me. cciciora13, revkev and GolfSpy_SHARK 3 Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment
Cory O Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 For just a fun, nonsense question, this actually gets me thinking a lot about course management, playing yardages, and where I want to focus my attention. It's natural that people are wanting those 300 yard drives to have closer shots in, assuming that it will result in closer putts. For me, though, I honestly can't make that assumption. Take a typical Par 4 around 400 yards. Right now, a decent drive for me is about 260 leaving me 140 yards in, a good 9 iron distance (for whatever reason, my swing is much more efficient at producing distance in the irons than in the driver, but that's a whole other story). If I could drive it 300 and have 100 yards in, it would be a wedge (50* or 55* depending on the pin). My shot dispersion with the wedge really isn't going to be much tighter than it is with a 9 iron (both somewhat okay-ish), so those 40 yards really don't give me anything on that hole. Make it a 360 yard Par 4 and the longer drive becomes a negative, since I'm better off hitting it 260 and have the 100 yard wedge in than drive it 300 and have a 60 yard half shot (and I'm confident that's the case for most amateurs). To cut the ramble short, I think the point is not necessarily to drive it off the tee as close to the hole as possible (unless you're Bryson), but instead to drive it into the right spot. Focusing practice on that and then the short game is generally going to generate much better results than focusing on adding distance. GolfSpy_SHARK, THEZIPR23 and Nic 2 1 Quote 2024 is the year of the short set! Driver: TaylorMade BRNR 11.5* stiff Hybrid: PXG 0311 GEN5 19* Irons: JustGolf Forged Blades (4, 6, 8, PW) Wedge: 56* Forged Prototype Putter: PXG Blackjack Center Shaft 34" Bag: Sunday Golf Loma XL Link to comment
Shapotomous Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 I'll take the 300 yard drives. Physical limitations keep my swing speed too low to get to 300 yards so that would be a gift I can't give myself. I don't 3 putt too often now and could practice enough to eliminate them altogether if I carved out some more time. GolfSpy_SHARK 1 Quote Modern Bag: G410 LST 10.5*, Hzrdus Smoke RDX 6.5 Flex; 915F 3w, Diamana S+ 70 S flex; Snake Eyes 18* 2h, 23* 4h & 27* 5h; JPX 900 Forged 6 - PW, PX LZ 6.0; Edison 2.0 49*, 53*, 57* KBS Tour 120 S; Heppler Fetch; Ball - MTB-X; Bag - Jones MyGolfSpy Edition! Shot Scope H4, MG600 Rangefinder Classic Bag: Driver - Persimmon; 3w - Speed Slot; 5w - Tour Block; 3 - pw - Dynapower; sw - Ram Tom Watson; putter - bullseye standard or flange. Link to comment
cnosil Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 To cut the ramble short, I think the point is not necessarily to drive it off the tee as close to the hole as possible (unless you're Bryson), but instead to drive it into the right spot. Focusing practice on that and then the short game is generally going to generate much better results than focusing on adding distance.I’d suggest you read up on some of the more recent course strategy models. Data analytics is showing that it is generally better to be longer than to lay back. Look at your dispersion pattern and if it fits hit the driver as far as you can and don’t give up 20. or more yards hitting to the “right spot”. You get more legitimate birdie opportunities the closer you are to the hole. I am taking the 300 yard drive,play to the correct location on the green and will live with the occasional 3 putt. My goal is double or worse avoidance, make par and sometimes get a bogey or birdie. TR1PTIK, DaveP043, revkev and 4 others 7 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
Middler Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 With my current 60% fairways I’d take no 3-putts. But if it was 300 yard drives always in play, I’d take that instead. Sorry. Which led me to summarize my putting stats: 1% 0 putts (rounded) 21% 1 putts 67% 2 putts 12% 3 putts No 3 putts would've lowered my average score by 0.72 strokes per round. Quote Titleist TSR2 11° HZRDUS Red CB 50 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Titleist TSR2 16.5º HZRDUS Red 60 CB 6.0 & TSR2 21º HZRDUS Black 4G 70 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Mizuno JPX923 HMP 4-GW, T22 54.12WS, T22 58.04DC w Lamkin ST+2 Hybrid Midsize Evnroll EV5.3 Maxfli Tour & ProV1 Ping Pioneer - MGI Zip Navigator AT Payntr X 002 LE, Ecco Biom C4, FJ DryJoys Link to comment
DaveP043 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Middler said: With my current 60% fairways I’d take no 3-putts. But if it was 300 yard drives always in play, I’d take that instead. Sorry. Which led me to summarize my putting stats: 1% 0 putts (rounded) 21% 1 putts 67% 2 putts 12% 3 putts What if its 300 yards, and 55% fairways? Approximately the same number of penalties, same number of chip-outs from the woods, just longer, so that every single second shot (other than par-3s) is shorter. You're looking to safe about 2 strokes per round by eliminating 3-putts. How many strokes do you think you might save by hitting your tee shots substantially closer to the hole 14 times per round? 25 minutes ago, cnosil said: I’d suggest you read up on some of the more recent course strategy models. Data analytics is showing that it is generally better to be longer than to lay back. Look at your dispersion pattern and if it fits hit the driver as far as you can and don’t give up 20. or more yards hitting to the “right spot”. You get more legitimate birdie opportunities the closer you are to the hole. I am taking the 300 yard drive, play to the correct location on the green and will live with the occasional 3 putt. My goal is double or worse avoidance, make par and sometimes get a bogey or birdie. I'm with you. All things being equal, I'll get closer from 40 yards than I will from 80, closer from 100 than from 140. The shape of the hole and its hazards certainly is a factor, but I've proven to myself that closer is generally better. And if you really cannot hit a 50-yard partial shot closer than a 90-yard full shot, you really need to practice partial shots. Edited September 10, 2020 by DaveP043 HardcoreLooper and TR1PTIK 2 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment
cnosil Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 With my current 60% fairways I’d take no 3-putts. But if it was 300 yard drives always in play, I’d take that instead. Sorry.Just out of curiosity since fairway percentage seems Important to you. Why not hit a club that will up your FW hit to 80, 90, or 100%. How much worse do you play if you only hit 40 or 50%. Would 300 yard drives and 55% fairways be acceptable. I ask because based on your statement there has to be some trade off level. THEZIPR23, RickyBobby_PR, TR1PTIK and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
Middler Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 16 minutes ago, DaveP043 said: What if its 300 yards, and 55% fairways? Approximately the same number of penalties, same number of chip-outs from the woods, just longer, so that every single second shot (other than par-3s) is shorter. I'm with you. All things being equal, I'll get closer from 40 yards than I will from 80, closer from 100 than from 140. The shape of the hole and its hazards certainly is a factor, but I've proven to myself that closer is generally better. And if you really cannot hit a 50-yard partial shot closer than a 90-yard full shot, you really need to practice partial shots. 16 minutes ago, cnosil said: Just out of curiosity since fairway percentage seems Important to you. Why not hit a club that will up your FW hit to 80, 90, or 100%. How much worse do you play if you only hit 40 or 50%. Would 300 yard drives and 55% fairways be acceptable. I ask because based on your statement there has to be some trade off level. I realize the closer I am on approach, the better I will score in the long run. But I also realize the further I drive the ball, the more lost balls/recovery shots I will have in the long run - the longer you drive the wider your dispersion too. On my home course at least, I already don't hit driver on 9 of the 13 par 4/5's in an effort to take traps/other hazards out of play, and my scoring on those holes has definitely improved as a result. I don't always use driver when I'm at another course either. It's all a trade off, I continue to assess the best tradeoffs for my present game. As you know a lot goes into it aside from length off the tee. And there's no club in my bag that would give me 80-100% fairways hit (and still give me any reasonable second shot). revkev and GolfSpy_SHARK 2 Quote Titleist TSR2 11° HZRDUS Red CB 50 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Titleist TSR2 16.5º HZRDUS Red 60 CB 6.0 & TSR2 21º HZRDUS Black 4G 70 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Mizuno JPX923 HMP 4-GW, T22 54.12WS, T22 58.04DC w Lamkin ST+2 Hybrid Midsize Evnroll EV5.3 Maxfli Tour & ProV1 Ping Pioneer - MGI Zip Navigator AT Payntr X 002 LE, Ecco Biom C4, FJ DryJoys Link to comment
Cory O Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 27 minutes ago, cnosil said: I’d suggest you read up on some of the more recent course strategy models. Data analytics is showing that it is generally better to be longer than to lay back. Look at your dispersion pattern and if it fits hit the driver as far as you can and don’t give up 20. or more yards hitting to the “right spot”. You get more legitimate birdie opportunities the closer you are to the hole. I am taking the 300 yard drive, play to the correct location on the green and will live with the occasional 3 putt. My goal is double or worse avoidance, make par and sometimes get a bogey or birdie. That’s all generally true to an extent, especially say hitting short irons instead of mid irons. In my case (and only applying to my case), I’d mentioned that if I’m talking about the difference between a 9 iron in and a gap wedge, those dispersions are more or less the same. Additionally, my 100 yard shot is going to have a tighter dispersion than my 60 yard shot, so a 300 yard drive on a hole shorter than 400 yards really wouldn’t help me much. I don’t think we’re making different arguments, just coming at it from different directions. I definitely should be trying to hit it as far as I can to a distance where I have the best chance of setting up a birdie (and I most certainly do that). Quote 2024 is the year of the short set! Driver: TaylorMade BRNR 11.5* stiff Hybrid: PXG 0311 GEN5 19* Irons: JustGolf Forged Blades (4, 6, 8, PW) Wedge: 56* Forged Prototype Putter: PXG Blackjack Center Shaft 34" Bag: Sunday Golf Loma XL Link to comment
Cory O Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 13 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:And if you really cannot hit a 50-yard partial shot closer than a 90-yard full shot, you really need to practice partial shots. That is logically true, but in reality for the vast majority of golfers at almost all skill levels, the full shot is more consistent than the partial shot. There’s nothing wrong with playing to the shot you’re most comfortable/consistent with (but keep practicing those partial shots) Quote 2024 is the year of the short set! Driver: TaylorMade BRNR 11.5* stiff Hybrid: PXG 0311 GEN5 19* Irons: JustGolf Forged Blades (4, 6, 8, PW) Wedge: 56* Forged Prototype Putter: PXG Blackjack Center Shaft 34" Bag: Sunday Golf Loma XL Link to comment
Middler Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Cory O said: That is logically true, but in reality for the vast majority of golfers at almost all skill levels, the full shot is more consistent than the partial shot. There’s nothing wrong with playing to the shot you’re most comfortable/consistent with (but keep practicing those partial shots) I've always wondered about that. While distance control is logically more predictable with a full shot, I generally have a little better directional consistency with partial shots and I am less likely to thin/fat a partial shot. And I use my gap wedge for almost all partial shots so I don't have to guess distance on all four of my wedges - I only have to "know" one wedge for partial shots. TR1PTIK 1 Quote Titleist TSR2 11° HZRDUS Red CB 50 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Titleist TSR2 16.5º HZRDUS Red 60 CB 6.0 & TSR2 21º HZRDUS Black 4G 70 6.0 w Lamkin UTx Midsize Mizuno JPX923 HMP 4-GW, T22 54.12WS, T22 58.04DC w Lamkin ST+2 Hybrid Midsize Evnroll EV5.3 Maxfli Tour & ProV1 Ping Pioneer - MGI Zip Navigator AT Payntr X 002 LE, Ecco Biom C4, FJ DryJoys Link to comment
Shapotomous Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 hmmmm....since i was magically driving it 300 i was assuming I'd magically have the same dispersion as I have at my current distance which is about 270. If I sprayed it more hitting it 300 I'd simply hit a lesser yardage more accurate club off the tee on those holes where spraying it could get me in big trouble. Either way I am still going with the 300 yard drive. HardcoreLooper 1 Quote Modern Bag: G410 LST 10.5*, Hzrdus Smoke RDX 6.5 Flex; 915F 3w, Diamana S+ 70 S flex; Snake Eyes 18* 2h, 23* 4h & 27* 5h; JPX 900 Forged 6 - PW, PX LZ 6.0; Edison 2.0 49*, 53*, 57* KBS Tour 120 S; Heppler Fetch; Ball - MTB-X; Bag - Jones MyGolfSpy Edition! Shot Scope H4, MG600 Rangefinder Classic Bag: Driver - Persimmon; 3w - Speed Slot; 5w - Tour Block; 3 - pw - Dynapower; sw - Ram Tom Watson; putter - bullseye standard or flange. Link to comment
xOldBenKenobiX Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Never 3 Putt, I have accepted that it is better to be accurate in the fairway than long and in trouble, and 3 putts are plaguing me as of late with that in mind, post back surgery, I am averaging 218 out of the tee with the driver, but that include a lot really bad, topped, or drop kicked drives that go no where, once I get that worked out, I am more than happy with averaging 220-230 yards with the driver, and take small bites towards the green. Quote My Reviews: 2023 Official review - Rapsodo MLM2Pro! 2022 Official Review - Edel SMS Wedges 2021 Official Review - Tommy Armour Impact 3 Putter 2020 Official Member Review - BagBoy Chiller Cart Bag Cobra SpeedZone Xtreme - Unofficial Review by xOldBenKenobiX Honma TR21 4 Wood - Unofficial Review by xOldBenKenobiX Driver - Cobra SpeedZone Xtreme 10.5, UST helium 5 Wood - . TR21 4 Wood, Vizard 20-60 and TW GS 5 Wood Vixard FD 55 301 Combo 301CB and 301MB . SMS 48*, 56*, 60* Putter: Lucky golf putter. Ball: : ProV1, :: Smart Sensors. Shoes: a couple :: A couple of A couple of Adidas , Yeah I have a shoe addiction.:: Started at 79mph, finished 1st stage at 91mph Link to comment
Kanoito Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Easily 300y drives. I can avoid 3putting with my own skills, but I can't hit those monster drives. Quote SpeedZone 9* w/ Aldila Rogue Silver 60 S X2 Hot 3 Deep 14.5* w/ Aldila Tour Green 75 S JetSpeed 5W 19* w/ Matrix Velox T 69 S OR Super LS 3H 19* w/ Kuro Kage Black 80 S JPX919 Forged 4-PW w/ Modus3 105 S Vokey SM7 50/08F, 54/14F & 58/08M w/ Modus3 115 Wedge ER1 34" w/ SuperStroke Fatso 2.0 Pro / H2NO Lite Cart Bag / 3.0 / NX7 Pro LRF My reviews: MLA Putter // Titleist SM7 // PING i500 // PuttOUT Link to comment
Buffly Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 I would prefer 300 yd drives. Puts me in eagle range much more than I am now. Quote Golf is simple - people are complicated. 5w Taylormade SLDR S 19* - 220yd, Ping G2 5-U - 190-105, Maltby M+ 54* & MG 60* - 95-75, Evnroll ER8, Titleist 816 H1 4h 21*, Maltby 4 Hybrid Iron 24* - 210-200, Callaway XR16 8* - 235 carry Link to comment
Cory O Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffly said: I would prefer 300 yd drives. Puts me in eagle range much more than I am now. But then just think about how gut wrenching those three putt pars are Quote 2024 is the year of the short set! Driver: TaylorMade BRNR 11.5* stiff Hybrid: PXG 0311 GEN5 19* Irons: JustGolf Forged Blades (4, 6, 8, PW) Wedge: 56* Forged Prototype Putter: PXG Blackjack Center Shaft 34" Bag: Sunday Golf Loma XL Link to comment
DaveP043 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 17 minutes ago, Cory O said: That is logically true, but in reality for the vast majority of golfers at almost all skill levels, the full shot is more consistent than the partial shot. There’s nothing wrong with playing to the shot you’re most comfortable/consistent with (but keep practicing those partial shots) Those who have looked at tons and tons of shots recorded for golfers at all skill levels have found that golfers, in general, across all levels, will average closer to the hole from shorter distances. That even includes those "uncomfortable" partial shots. That's the reality of the data, in general. Its not necessarily true for every golfer, but its true for most. cnosil, TR1PTIK, Larryd3 and 1 other 4 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment
Cory O Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, DaveP043 said: Those who have looked at tons and tons of shots recorded for golfers at all skill levels have found that golfers, in general, across all levels, will average closer to the hole from shorter distances. That even includes those "uncomfortable" partial shots. That's the reality of the data, in general. Its not necessarily true for every golfer, but its true for most. Can you point me to any of that data? Not challenging you, just genuinely interested. The best I could find was a MGS article from a couple years back that said 60-80 is better than 100-120 from Arccos data, but I didn't love how they segmented the data (an 80 yard shot is still a full-ish sand wedge for most). Just based on personal observation, I feel like the partial swing gets more inconsistent the more "partial" it gets up until you're into the pitching range, 40-60 yards being the worst for me personally. I also feel like there could be a significant difference based on the lie, for example from the rough I am probably tighter or at least the same from 60 yards or 100 yards, but from a tight fairway lie, the 100 yard shot will almost always win out. If there was something that broke down average distance left after approaches in 10 yard chunks (40-50, 50-60, 60-70, etc.), or any data about different lies, I'd really like to see it. Edited September 10, 2020 by Cory O Quote 2024 is the year of the short set! Driver: TaylorMade BRNR 11.5* stiff Hybrid: PXG 0311 GEN5 19* Irons: JustGolf Forged Blades (4, 6, 8, PW) Wedge: 56* Forged Prototype Putter: PXG Blackjack Center Shaft 34" Bag: Sunday Golf Loma XL Link to comment
PMookie Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 I hit the ball a long way, and I don’t three-putt often, but I don’t see these as an equal trade off... If one is going from 250 average to 300, and using an 8 iron instead of a three iron, I see the benefit, but for me, I’d have to get three to four one-putts as the trade off to make it worthwhile. I don’t get birdies just because I hit it a long way... Shapotomous, cnosil, Micah T and 1 other 4 Quote Driver: Ping G430 Max 9*, Ping Tour 70X Fairway: Ping G425 15*, Ping Tour 70X Hybrid: Ping G425 22*, Ping Tour 80X Irons: Ping i230 4-GW, TT DG X100 Wedges: SMS 50D/54V/58DModus 130 stiff, +1” Putter: EAS 1.0 Ball: Titleist 2023 AVX Link to comment
DaveP043 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 45 minutes ago, Cory O said: Can you point me to any of that data? Not challenging you, just genuinely interested. The best I could find was a MGS article from a couple years back that said 60-80 is better than 100-120 from Arccos data, but I didn't love how they segmented the data (an 80 yard shot is still a full-ish sand wedge for most). Just based on personal observation, I feel like the partial swing gets more inconsistent the more "partial" it gets up until you're into the pitching range, 40-60 yards being the worst for me personally. I also feel like there could be a significant difference based on the lie, for example from the rough I am probably tighter or at least the same from 60 yards or 100 yards, but from a tight fairway lie, the 100 yard shot will almost always win out. If there was something that broke down average distance left after approaches in 10 yard chunks (40-50, 50-60, 60-70, etc.), or any data about different lies, I'd really like to see it. The whole concept is discussed in Every Shot Counts by Mark Broadie. He utilized both the PGS Tour Shotlink data as well as similar types of data for amateurs from sources like Game Golf and Arcos. I don't have the book here at work, so I don't have the details of his sources at my fingertips., but its an interesting read, explaining the Strokes Gained concepts in great detail HardcoreLooper, Larryd3 and TR1PTIK 3 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment
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