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2020 still not out yet, is MGS going to discontinue these reports ?

I feel these are extremely valuable reports, it's info that is not available anywhere else. Without it we just have to believe every manufacturer's marketing BS.

With these reports we can see WHY some drivers outperform or underperform, and it helps golfers make an informed decision.

I don't think I would have tried the 2016 Cobra King LTD Pro without seeing the MGS report showing it had the most MOI while keeping the COG right on the neutral axis.

I think these reports set MGS apart from every other site, because now everybody can test drivers with launch monitors to show launch data, but nobody else is actually measuring COG like MGS has been.

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Okay let's break this down. You are accusing Tony of lying for PXG's benefit. This is not only a flat out lie, but also just so incredibly off-base, it's not even funny. Tony mentions CG locations an

Yes,  they decide on what they want to do and they decided not to do the CoG report last year and they may decide not to do it again.  When they execute tests,  they state the claim and then test the

I think you need to look at the location that the article was placed on the MGS page.   As new clubs come out the articles about them are in the "New Release" section of the stie.  These articles cont

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There isn’t a lot of input from headquarters that filters down to the forums. The moderators do communicate some items back up but there is no guarantee that they will provide an answer.

My personal assessment based on what I see is that With COVID and with Tony focusing on Ball Lab I would lean toward probably not in 2020.

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9 hours ago, Carl Bunch said:

2020 still not out yet, is MGS going to discontinue these reports ?

I feel these are extremely valuable reports, it's info that is not available anywhere else. Without it we just have to believe every manufacturer's marketing BS.

With these reports we can see WHY some drivers outperform or underperform, and it helps golfers make an informed decision.

I don't think I would have tried the 2016 King LTD Pro without seeing the MGS report showing it had the most MOI while keeping the COG right on the neutral axis.

I think these reports set MGS apart from every other site, because now everybody can test drivers with launch monitors to show launch data, but nobody else is actually measuring COG like MGS has been.

I've been asking myself the same question? MGS CG reports have been historically released in maj/june (if I remember correctly) so with each passing month I am more and more worried that CG reports are the thing of the past. Real shame.

I hope MGS are waiting for the drivers that are scheduled to be released in fall, like Srixon and Titleist drivers, so that the database would be more complete. 

For the time being I suggest you take a quick peek at the following video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOHkZPKBdKA&t=810s

 

It is very basic CG and MOI breakdown of 2020 drivers but it is better than nothing.

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10 minutes ago, Calvo90 said:

I've been asking myself the same question? MGS CG reports have been historically released in maj/june (if I remember correctly) so with each passing month I am more and more worried that CG reports are the thing of the past. Real shame.

I hope MGS are waiting for the drivers that are scheduled to be released in fall, like Srixon and Titleist drivers, so that the database would be more complete. 

For the time being I suggest you take a quick peek at the following video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOHkZPKBdKA&t=810s

 

It is very basic CG and MOI breakdown of 2020 drivers but it is better than nothing.

There is a major pandemic going on.  Most of the normal activities at the testing center have been delayed well beyond their normal schedule.  

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5 hours ago, jlukes said:

There is a major pandemic going on.  Most of the normal activities at the testing center have been delayed well beyond their normal schedule.  

I recognize that currently there are definitely more important things to do, things get done a bit later than usual and health and well-being of the staff should be the priority. That being said, it is evident that the MGS is still running. The ball testing is being carried out, seemingly without a hitch. There are Most wanted testing results being regularly published which include detailed club measurements not to mention in-person testing which seems the most riskiest job for MGS out there. I doubt the testing of all the clubs was already finished in february or is done remotely.

I figured if MGS was able to carry out all the other tests and measurements, it is a bit strange there was no word about the CG and MOI report. It seems mapping drivers would be the most risk free, hence perfect option for the past months when there was really nothing much else or at least safer to do than being ''locked up'' in the lab (assuming MGS have all the necessary gear - I have never noticed remark that MGS hires other companies to do that).

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5 minutes ago, Calvo90 said:

I recognize that currently there are definitely more important things to do, things get done a bit later than usual and health and well-being of the staff should be the priority. That being said, it is evident that the MGS is still running. The ball testing is being carried out, seemingly without a hitch. There are Most wanted testing results being regularly published which include detailed club measurements not to mention in-person testing which seems the most riskiest job for MGS out there. I doubt the testing of all the clubs was already finished in february or is done remotely.

I figured if MGS was able to carry out all the other tests and measurements, it is a bit strange there was no word about the CG and MOI report. It seems mapping drivers would be the most risk free, hence perfect option for the past months when there was really nothing much else or at least safer to do than being ''locked up'' in the lab (assuming MGS have all the necessary gear - I have never noticed remark that MGS hires other companies to do that).

IMO the ball lab has much more value to the consumer over the the Driver CG report.  The amount of time Tony is dedicating to Ball Lab is astounding and the information it will provide consumers with is hugh

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2 hours ago, Calvo90 said:

I recognize that currently there are definitely more important things to do, things get done a bit later than usual and health and well-being of the staff should be the priority. That being said, it is evident that the MGS is still running. The ball testing is being carried out, seemingly without a hitch. There are Most wanted testing results being regularly published which include detailed club measurements not to mention in-person testing which seems the most riskiest job for MGS out there. I doubt the testing of all the clubs was already finished in february or is done remotely.

I figured if MGS was able to carry out all the other tests and measurements, it is a bit strange there was no word about the CG and MOI report. It seems mapping drivers would be the most risk free, hence perfect option for the past months when there was really nothing much else or at least safer to do than being ''locked up'' in the lab (assuming MGS have all the necessary gear - I have never noticed remark that MGS hires other companies to do that).

As one of the testers,  I can tell you we did not test clubs for months.  They are way behind in most wanted testing and I don't believe they will be able to complete all the clubs this year.  During the "shut down"  Tony was doing the ball lab and is the one who gets the clubs for all the detailed measurements;  it isn't done in Yorktown.  The Yorktown team switched to pandemic related testing:  nets, putting greens, etc.  

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I think MGS is on the right track with where their research time is going. The ball tests actually give me hope that we will start seeing more measurement comparisons of different equipment in the coming years. I kind of wish Maltby would publish more of the data the have on woods and drivers as I know they do some testing on them but probably not to the same level as their iron testing. I would like to see the driver COG reports but I feel like driver heads are more of a trial and error fitting process as the COG is more of a fitting tool as some golfers will require a more forward or more rearward COG depending on their swing characteristics.

What I am most curious to see is how many drivers actually have their COG directly in the middle of the face or where they have it marked. I feel that could be a big factor in regards to performance but I don't know if it is a good or bad thing without context. I think MOI on drivers is largely irrelevant as the MOI on every driver is very high relative to any other club in the bag. I think it would be neat if they did COR testing on drivers to see which driver actually has the hottest face. I imagine most would be close to the 0.83 limit but it would be interesting how close they all are. 

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Agreed!

IMO the ball lab has much more value to the consumer over the the Driver CG report.  The amount of time Tony is dedicating to Ball Lab is astounding and the information it will provide consumers with is hugh


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On 9/17/2020 at 1:38 PM, Kansas King said:

"What I am most curious to see is how many drivers actually have their COG directly in the middle of the face or where they have it marked. I feel that could be a big factor in regards to performance but I don't know if it is a good or bad thing without context."

 

The MGS COG reports DO show where the COG is in relation to the face.

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14 hours ago, Carl Bunch said:

 

The MGS COG reports DO show where the COG is in relation to the face.

I think what I meant to say was how the club is marked relative to where the COG is. This is something that can't be easily measured because the markings on the top of drivers and woods are placed where they look correct when you are in your stance behind the ball. This is a tedious area in the world of club design is making things look right behind the ball. If you make a driver perfectly square with everything lining up perfectly, you would be left with an unappealing looking club at address. You would assume most companies get the sight lines at address to line up properly with the COG but it wouldn't surprise me if there were a few that disregarded it in favor of better look or didn't put enough effort behind it. The tough part is reliably measuring it which I don't think can be done. I think what MGS is doing is about as much as they can. 

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3 minutes ago, Carl Bunch said:

Anybody hear/read anything about a possible 2020 COG report ?

I’m just guessing but I bet you don’t see anything until things become somewhat normal again. The Most Wanted and Ball testing are far more popular IMO.

The COG of drivers could be different from head to head due to tolerances and makes the test fairly useless tbh. 

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28 minutes ago, Carl Bunch said:

Anybody hear/read anything about a possible 2020 COG report ?

My guess is that it won't happen.  Tony is focused on ball lab and I believe he is the one who did/coordinated the measurements.  Headquarters is doing the past 5 winner test and then looking to get 2021 testing started.  

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15 hours ago, Carl Bunch said:

Anybody hear/read anything about a possible 2020 COG report ?

 

3 hours ago, 03trdblack said:

No, they'd rather spend the time testing 4 golf tees... 🙄🙄

Again, the pandemic changed everything this year in case you didn’t notice. If you have a better source of FREE unbiased data on everything golf, you should turn to them. From an OP who’s not even a donor complaining, really? MGS is a most welcome resource, I’m grateful for whatever they offer. And the tee report was useful to some.

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8 minutes ago, Middler said:

 

Again, the pandemic changed everything this year in case you didn’t notice. If you have a better source of FREE unbiased data on everything golf, you should turn to them. Two readers who aren’t even donors complaining, really? MGS is a most welcome resource, I’m grateful for whatever they offer. And the tee report was useful to some.

I'd check your facts again @Middler. I've been a donor since I joined in 2010...7 years before you even joined. I've been here since the beginning and have watched MGS become what it is today. Just because I don't agree with something that is being done doesn't mean that I don't agree with everything. 

I think the tee test was a complete waste of time and think the center of gravity report is a better source of data. Everyone knows that a stupid tee isn't going to make any difference in performance, it's just common sense. Nothing wrong with this opinion. 

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26 minutes ago, 03trdblack said:

No, they'd rather spend the time testing 4 golf tees... 🙄🙄

 

3 minutes ago, 03trdblack said:

I think the tee test was a complete waste of time and think the center of gravity report is a better source of data. Everyone knows that a stupid tee isn't going to make any difference in performance, it's just common sense. Nothing wrong with this opinion. 

Those lab tests are done at Headquarters and they have never done the CoG report.   For you it may be a waste of time, just like the CoG report is a waste of time for others.  As I mentioned above,  I am pretty sure Tony does the CoG testing and he is doing ball lab at this point in time. 

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3 hours ago, 03trdblack said:

I'd check your facts again @Middler. I've been a donor since I joined in 2010...7 years before you even joined. I've been here since the beginning and have watched MGS become what it is today. Just because I don't agree with something that is being done doesn't mean that I don't agree with everything. 

I think the tee test was a complete waste of time and think the center of gravity report is a better source of data. Everyone knows that a stupid tee isn't going to make any difference in performance, it's just common sense. Nothing wrong with this opinion. 

Apologies, the OP doesn’t appear to be a donor. I still think MGS does a great job of providing objective information on all things golf, there’s nothing else like it I know of. It’s a given not every story is going to appeal to every reader, and we’re not obligated to pay anything for the privilege. It’s one thing to complain about a service you’ve paid for, another for a service that’s “free” IMO. In the midst of a horrible pandemic year, we should be even more understanding IMO. I doubt they invested much time in the presumably somewhat tongue in cheek “tee study” and it’s not as if the tee study and a driver CoG report would have been equivalent efforts. YMMV

There are a couple guys I play with regularly who use and swear by the Martini tee. I know they’re deluded, so it was nice to see a third party test. I hope they read it.

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5 hours ago, Middler said:

 I doubt they invested much time in the presumably somewhat tongue in cheek “tee study” and it’s not as if the tee study and a driver CoG report would have been equivalent efforts. YMMV

Not sure what you consider to be much time,  but I would guess staff time was 50+ hours plus 1-2 hours per tester.  

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