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Love this cliff notes post. Can't wait for the Elixr and Vero X1!

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Taylormade Original One 13.5*
Wilson D7 5W 18*
Titleist 818H2 21*
Taylormade RSi1 5 Iron
Taylormade RSi2 6-PW
Cleveland CBX2 48* & 52*
Cleveland Zipcore 56*
Wilson Staff Infinite Southside
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There are a lot of questions surrounding ball lab, but two of the most common I've seen (in some form at least) have been "What balls are in the test?" and "How can I compare the balls within the test

Hey everyone, been MIA for a couple weeks while moving and attending my grandmother's funeral out of state. I'm back now and updated the reference chart with the last two Ball Labs.  As always, e

Funny story about that. I recently purchased a box from Target because I was playing a new course with lots of water and was tipped off that I may lose a few balls. Well, rather than lose any of my pr

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Just updated with the Srixon Z-Star report. Talk about a comeback! Srixon went from the most concerning of the bunch to posting a top-5!!! At least for now...

Wondering if we'll see more of these contrasting results between price/performance tiers as Tony begins reporting on other brands' non-tour offerings.

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Driver: Mizuno ST190 9.5* Aldila RIP Alpha 60 S
Fairway Wood: Mizuno ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S
Hyrbrid: Mizuno CLK 19* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB
Irons: Bridgestone J40 CB (4-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100
Wedges: Bridgestone Tour B XW-1 50*, 54*, & 58* Nippon Modus 3 105
Putter: Cleveland Huntington Beach SOFT Premier 4 34"
Ball: Snell MTB-X
Bag: 2017 Titleist Players 5 Stand Bag

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More updates!

Driver: Mizuno ST190 9.5* Aldila RIP Alpha 60 S
Fairway Wood: Mizuno ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S
Hyrbrid: Mizuno CLK 19* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB
Irons: Bridgestone J40 CB (4-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100
Wedges: Bridgestone Tour B XW-1 50*, 54*, & 58* Nippon Modus 3 105
Putter: Cleveland Huntington Beach SOFT Premier 4 34"
Ball: Snell MTB-X
Bag: 2017 Titleist Players 5 Stand Bag

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A little late to the party this go around, but I've updated the chart with the Wilson DUO Soft+. All I can say is WOWZA that is a low compression ball!

Driver: Mizuno ST190 9.5* Aldila RIP Alpha 60 S
Fairway Wood: Mizuno ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S
Hyrbrid: Mizuno CLK 19* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB
Irons: Bridgestone J40 CB (4-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100
Wedges: Bridgestone Tour B XW-1 50*, 54*, & 58* Nippon Modus 3 105
Putter: Cleveland Huntington Beach SOFT Premier 4 34"
Ball: Snell MTB-X
Bag: 2017 Titleist Players 5 Stand Bag

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Honestly, just making a post to get this thread back on page 1 to help anyone looking for the reference chart.

I've enjoyed working on this. Tony has stated that he is working on a proper comparison tool, but it might be a while still. 

Driver: Mizuno ST190 9.5* Aldila RIP Alpha 60 S
Fairway Wood: Mizuno ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S
Hyrbrid: Mizuno CLK 19* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB
Irons: Bridgestone J40 CB (4-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100
Wedges: Bridgestone Tour B XW-1 50*, 54*, & 58* Nippon Modus 3 105
Putter: Cleveland Huntington Beach SOFT Premier 4 34"
Ball: Snell MTB-X
Bag: 2017 Titleist Players 5 Stand Bag

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Thanks! This ball lab is a fantastic source of information, I look forward to it every week. How do you decide what ball gets tested next? Looking forward to seeing the Srixon Z-Star XV and Bridgestone Tour B X come though.

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20 minutes ago, Tsmithjr9 said:

Thanks! This ball lab is a fantastic source of information, I look forward to it every week. How do you decide what ball gets tested next? Looking forward to seeing the Srixon Z-Star XV and Bridgestone Tour B X come though.

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I don't get to decide, Tony does. His decisions have been based on popularity of ball model, Twitter polling, and availability. We're quickly approaching a place where all the most popular premium ball models have been tested so it will be interesting to see how Ball Lab reports are ordered going forward.

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Driver: Mizuno ST190 9.5* Aldila RIP Alpha 60 S
Fairway Wood: Mizuno ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S
Hyrbrid: Mizuno CLK 19* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB
Irons: Bridgestone J40 CB (4-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100
Wedges: Bridgestone Tour B XW-1 50*, 54*, & 58* Nippon Modus 3 105
Putter: Cleveland Huntington Beach SOFT Premier 4 34"
Ball: Snell MTB-X
Bag: 2017 Titleist Players 5 Stand Bag

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Great thread. I am keeping my own summary spreadsheet but maybe I'll quit since you're doing it for us. Thanks!

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58 minutes ago, Middler said:

Great thread. I am keeping my own summary spreadsheet but maybe I'll quit since you're doing it for us. Thanks!

Nothing wrong with keeping your own spreadsheet. I'd be interested to know if you have any suggestions for my spreadsheet. Are you collecting any data that differs from mine? Any changes you'd like to see in terms of formatting (which has been a thorn in my backside)? I know it doesn't look the best on my browser. I've thought about making it a JPEG instead of copying and pasting text, but then the Ball Lab links wouldn't work. I guess the other option is to try and scale everything down a bit.

Driver: Mizuno ST190 9.5* Aldila RIP Alpha 60 S
Fairway Wood: Mizuno ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S
Hyrbrid: Mizuno CLK 19* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB
Irons: Bridgestone J40 CB (4-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100
Wedges: Bridgestone Tour B XW-1 50*, 54*, & 58* Nippon Modus 3 105
Putter: Cleveland Huntington Beach SOFT Premier 4 34"
Ball: Snell MTB-X
Bag: 2017 Titleist Players 5 Stand Bag

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Nothing wrong with keeping your own spreadsheet. I'd be interested to know if you have any suggestions for my spreadsheet. Are you collecting any data that differs from mine? Any changes you'd like to see in terms of formatting (which is a been a thorn in my backside)? I know it doesn't look the best on my browser. I've thought about making it a JPEG instead of copying and pasting text, but then the Ball Lab links wouldn't work. I guess the other option is to try and scale everything down a bit.
I am keeping a spreadsheet as well. I track compression, launch & spin characteristics, and true price vs. Retail. I then split the balls into categories based on this data, which reflect my preferences.

I really only use the MGS app, so I can tell you the quick reference table is difficult to read. Maybe just post the links and sort the balls into groupings - such as - Tour Urethane, Non-Tour Urethane, and Non-Urethane (or value/distance etc.) Or rank them by True Price percentages.

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1 hour ago, TR1PTIK said:

Nothing wrong with keeping your own spreadsheet. I'd be interested to know if you have any suggestions for my spreadsheet. Are you collecting any data that differs from mine? Any changes you'd like to see in terms of formatting (which has been a thorn in my backside)? I know it doesn't look the best on my browser. I've thought about making it a JPEG instead of copying and pasting text, but then the Ball Lab links wouldn't work. I guess the other option is to try and scale everything down a bit.

Here's mine so far FWIW. Overkill but it's no extra effort to capture all the categories. Just recently sorted by # of bad balls, a priority to me. Confirms once again Snell MTBs are the ball for me. 🙂

 

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1 minute ago, Middler said:

Here's mine so far FWIW. Overkill but it's no extra effort to capture all the categories. Just recently sorted by # of bad balls, a priority to me.

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I really like that! I thought about going into a lot of detail for the reference chart, but the formatting issues with a large spreadsheet quickly became apparent. The inclusion of manufacturing location is nice. Are the numbers on the far left the order in which the reports came out?

Driver: Mizuno ST190 9.5* Aldila RIP Alpha 60 S
Fairway Wood: Mizuno ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S
Hyrbrid: Mizuno CLK 19* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB
Irons: Bridgestone J40 CB (4-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100
Wedges: Bridgestone Tour B XW-1 50*, 54*, & 58* Nippon Modus 3 105
Putter: Cleveland Huntington Beach SOFT Premier 4 34"
Ball: Snell MTB-X
Bag: 2017 Titleist Players 5 Stand Bag

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7 minutes ago, TR1PTIK said:

I really like that! I thought about going into a lot of detail for the reference chart, but the formatting issues with a large spreadsheet quickly became apparent. The inclusion of manufacturing location is nice. Are the numbers on the far left the order in which the reports came out?

Yes, so I can sort back to the order the reports came out, or any other field for that matter.

As an aside, I play regularly with about 25 guys - and 24 of them don't have any clue the differences in quality from one brand/model to another. Blissfully unaware, and I know better than to bother them with any info...they wouldn't listen. They mostly play lower tier Titleists or Callaways (no way they'd spring for Pro V1s or ChromeSofts), marketing is a wonderful thing. The one guy I play with that cares at all plays found Pro V1/V1x only.

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Here's mine so far FWIW. Overkill but it's no extra effort to capture all the categories. Just recently sorted by # of bad balls, a priority to me. Confirms once again Snell MTBs are the ball for me. [emoji846]
 
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Awesome! Yes this is far more detailed than mine. I use this data to find my ball, others to try, or avoid. Luckily the two "bad balls" ChromeSoft & Q-Star Tour are too low compression for me to consider anyway. I already made the change from ProV1 to Z-Star and these labs has validated that decision, as essentially the only difference is 2 compression points. In the meantime I'm buying a dozen Snell MTB-X in the spring and contemplating if I should switch to one of the firmer X balls, hence the interest.

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56 minutes ago, Tsmithjr9 said:

Awesome! Yes this is far more detailed than mine. I use this data to find my ball, others to try, or avoid. Luckily the two "bad balls" ChromeSoft & Q-Star Tour are too low compression for me to consider anyway. I already made the change from ProV1 to Z-Star and these labs has validated that decision, as essentially the only difference is 2 compression points. In the meantime I'm buying a dozen Snell MTB-X in the spring and contemplating if I should switch to one of the firmer X balls, hence the interest.

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If you went from the Pro V1 to the Z-Star, you might want to try the MTB-Black instead of the MTB-X. They have an MTB Test Pack with both as well if you want to compare.

https://www.snellgolf.com/products/mtb-test-pack-golf-balls

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If you went from the Pro V1 to the Z-Star, you might want to try the MTB-Black instead of the MTB-X. They have an MTB Test Pack with both as well if you want to compare.
https://www.snellgolf.com/products/mtb-test-pack-golf-balls
If the results for the black are just as good, I'll give it a try. There's plenty of time for more tests before April. Though I'm dabbling with switching to a firmer ball anyway. Based on the tests so far the lowest compression ball that works for me is the Bridgestone B XS @ 86.

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Updated the chart with the Vice Pro. I've got some format updates coming soon as well. Gonna try and get everything to fit on screen better (especially for you mobile users).

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Driver: Mizuno ST190 9.5* Aldila RIP Alpha 60 S
Fairway Wood: Mizuno ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S
Hyrbrid: Mizuno CLK 19* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB
Irons: Bridgestone J40 CB (4-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100
Wedges: Bridgestone Tour B XW-1 50*, 54*, & 58* Nippon Modus 3 105
Putter: Cleveland Huntington Beach SOFT Premier 4 34"
Ball: Snell MTB-X
Bag: 2017 Titleist Players 5 Stand Bag

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Updated with the Pinnacle Practice report. I know a lot of people aren't too interested in it, but I thought it was a fun exercise. I honestly wouldn't mind if Tony and the MGS team decided to do a bit more exploration into range balls - both quality and performance - so we could better adjust our expectations when working on our games.

Driver: Mizuno ST190 9.5* Aldila RIP Alpha 60 S
Fairway Wood: Mizuno ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S
Hyrbrid: Mizuno CLK 19* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB
Irons: Bridgestone J40 CB (4-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100
Wedges: Bridgestone Tour B XW-1 50*, 54*, & 58* Nippon Modus 3 105
Putter: Cleveland Huntington Beach SOFT Premier 4 34"
Ball: Snell MTB-X
Bag: 2017 Titleist Players 5 Stand Bag

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10 minutes ago, TR1PTIK said:

Updated with the Pinnacle Practice report. I know a lot of people aren't too interested in it, but I thought it was a fun exercise. I honestly wouldn't mind if Tony and the MGS team decided to do a bit more exploration into range balls - both quality and performance - so we could better adjust our expectations when working on our games.

Nothing wrong with the idea, but it’s been done before. They don’t fly as far and they don’t spin as much even when new. And I suspect it varies considerably from range to range as some better courses cull balls that are in poor condition while others seem to keep their range balls in the rotation until the covers fall off?

When you head to the range, don't focus on distance, as most range balls will not perform the same as the ball you will put into play once you get to the golf course. Expect the range balls to fly 10 to 15 percent shorter than a normal golf ball. A limited-flight range ball could be 20 to 30 percent shorter. Focus instead on timing and solid contact.” 
https://www.sportsrec.com/6532587/the-best-golf-balls-for-a-slow-swing-speed

 

 
 

 

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  • Mizuno CLK 3H 19°, JPX900 Forged 4-GW, S18 56.10, S18 60.06
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24 minutes ago, Middler said:

Nothing wrong with the idea, but it’s been done before. They don’t fly as far and they don’t spin as much even when new. And I suspect it varies considerably from range to range as some better courses cull balls that are in poor condition while others seem to keep their range balls in the rotation until the covers fall off?

When you head to the range, don't focus on distance, as most range balls will not perform the same as the ball you will put into play once you get to the golf course. Expect the range balls to fly 10 to 15 percent shorter than a normal golf ball. A limited-flight range ball could be 20 to 30 percent shorter. Focus instead on timing and solid contact.” 
https://www.sportsrec.com/6532587/the-best-golf-balls-for-a-slow-swing-speed

 

 
 

 

I'm talking about something quite a bit more extensive and in-depth than that. While performance will always be different from that of almost any normal golf ball, not all range balls are limited flight and some are severely more limited than others.

I'd be curious to learn more about the exact performance variables and how companies go about accomplishing that. Is it weight, diameter, compression, dimple design, or some combination of these?

Do driving ranges accommodate for these variances? I've been to some ranges that will place yardage markers in accordance with the balls they use as to provide a fairly accurate representation of distance and I've been to other ranges that don't do this.

Look, I've gone on record as saying that we shouldn't pay much attention to the distance of range balls, but it doesn't mean a deeper understanding of construction and performance isn't warranted. Considering how much time and money golfers spend at the driving range, I think it's worth the same consideration that's currently being given to retail balls.

Driver: Mizuno ST190 9.5* Aldila RIP Alpha 60 S
Fairway Wood: Mizuno ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S
Hyrbrid: Mizuno CLK 19* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB
Irons: Bridgestone J40 CB (4-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100
Wedges: Bridgestone Tour B XW-1 50*, 54*, & 58* Nippon Modus 3 105
Putter: Cleveland Huntington Beach SOFT Premier 4 34"
Ball: Snell MTB-X
Bag: 2017 Titleist Players 5 Stand Bag

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