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I am very new to golf (2 months) and have slowly replaced my clubs from the $20 set from the 80s I bought in a thrift store. I have a M1 driver, milled grind 60 degree wedge, and white hot pro #1 putter. My next upgrade is the big one: irons. I want forgiveness with irons but not so much that when I progress to a point where I’m swinging fast enough to not need them anymore. The ones I have been looking at are: TM Tour Preferred CB, Taylormade RSI1, RSI2, Titleist AP2 714, and Wilson D300s. I am looking for forgiveness that doesn’t break the bank. Anything helps! 

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I’ll throw it out there first, so 993 additional spy’s can come in behind me: go get fit. Try to not pay attention to WHAT you’re hitting, rather how they feel and what the ball flight/dispersion is. Your clubs will find you.


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Forgiveness has very little to do with speed. It's more about consistency of swing and delivery. 

Of the list, I'd recommend the D300s since I've played them and they were extremely forgiving with great flight, plus you'll most likely find the best deal for them on the used market.

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39 minutes ago, russtopherb said:

Forgiveness has very little to do with speed. It's more about consistency of swing and delivery. 

Of the list, I'd recommend the D300s since I've played them and they were extremely forgiving with great flight, plus you'll most likely find the best deal for them on the used market.

What did you switch to after the d300s? 

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1 minute ago, Pickle_Rick1996 said:

What did you switch to after the d300s? 

Cobra Baffler XL, but my switch was only due to needing to go back to graphite shafts due to tennis elbow. If I could have grabbed the D300s in graphite, I would have in a heartbeat.

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:wilson_staff_small:  D7 R flex 
:callaway-small:  GBB 3W (lofted to 4W)
:callaway-small: V-Series Heavenwood
:cobra-small: Baffler XL 5i-PW
:cleveland-small: CBX 54*
:cleveland-small:  Smart Sole S
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I always like this question because it is so tricky. Getting fit is the best option, but you are right generally most fitters only offer the latest clubs. Going to a good fitters just to learn more about your swing and they might be able to help you get in the right ballpark. Also some fitters have clubs like Maltby which new are very reasonable 600 or less.

Similar is an option like Sub70 which has good price point and while you can't get fit since it's online only I have heard great things about people calling them up and talking through the options and coming out with a great solution, check out this review of one of their iron options. Good luck on the search.

 

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1 hour ago, Pickle_Rick1996 said:

I am afraid that if I get fitted I won’t get the budget irons I want since most of the clubs in the shops are a year or 2 old and used clubs from recent years have not really dropped in value 

I can relate all too well.

You can still test clubs at a Dicks or PGA Tour Superstore and find your swing speeds. That will at least help you understand what flex shaft you'd want.

I bought clubs without being fitted because it was what I could afford. A fitting plus the price of new clubs was more than the clubs I bought + all the rounds of golf for that year.

Where are you located? You may be able to shop local and test those used clubs at a range before you buy...

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Do you have any golf shops near you that deal in used golf
Clubs? Getting fit can simply be trying different used sets to see what works best for you. Most places have a launch monitor for you to capture numbers and assess how well the clubs work for you. Look at carry distance, how consistently you hit the ball from a dispersion perspective, maybe launch angle and spin numbers.

All the clubs you listed are good clubs, the question especially in the used market is can you find the shaft head combo that works for you.

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21 minutes ago, KurtActual said:

I can relate all too well.

You can still test clubs at a Dicks or PGA Tour Superstore and find your swing speeds. That will at least help you understand what flex shaft you'd want.

I bought clubs without being fitted because it was what I could afford. A fitting plus the price of new clubs was more than the clubs I bought + all the rounds of golf for that year.

Where are you located? You may be able to shop local and test those used clubs at a range before you buy...

I live in West Michigan 

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You could try something I did when everywhere was closed during the spring - I bought used clubs from the Callaway preowned store, and they have a 15 day playability guarantee - for the cost of shipping them to you and back again (less than 20 bucks, I think), you can try them out and send them back if you don’t get on with them. They have frequent sales with great prices, and they also have an eBay store that has free shipping and free returns. It also has the benefit of letting you try more than just a 7 iron off a mat in a store - you can take them out on the course in real conditions. 

Callaway Epic Flash SZ 9deg, 15 deg tensei av blue x flex

Cobra F9 hybrid 17deg

Callaway x forged UT 24, 27

Mizuno MP20 (6,7,8 MMC, 9,PW MB)

Callaway MD4 50, 54, 58

Odyssey Stroke Lab double wide

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Advise given to me when I started playing in 1981, buy the best you can afford 

in my opinion, anything PING G series is very forgiving, 

 DRIVER: default_cobra-small.jpg.125f3712aad21ad9f7ca2c672e34a299.jpg  Cobra F-8 set at 10.5,  Aldila NV 2KXV Blue 60 (R) 44 1/2 "

3 & 5 WOOD: default_callaway-small.jpg.a58e7c6760b71a9eb95d385ecc5d2200.jpg Callaway XR-16, Fujikura Speeder Evolution 565 Red (R) 

IRONS 5-SW: default_ping-small.jpg.b7606a25498d65282474c96f18d2debd.jpg PING G-700, 2 upright, std loft  Alta CB (R) + 1/2"

HYBRID 3-4:  default_ping-small.jpg.b7606a25498d65282474c96f18d2debd.jpg PING G-410, 1 upright,  Alta CB 70 Red (R) + 1/2"

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Based on what I saw when I did a quick search on eBay for used Wilson D300s, it looks like you've identified a pretty reasonable price point for a new golfer. As @russtopherb said above, forgiveness has nothing to do with speed - plenty of high swing speed players need as much forgiveness as they can get - so I wouldn't worry about that. Buy what you think will help you the most while you continue to learn. Believe me, once you reach a point that you're seeing notable improvement, you won't mind purchasing a different set of irons to accommodate your evolving needs. 

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Irons: Nike Vapor Pro Combo (4-PW) Dynamic Gold Pro S300
Wedges: Bridgestone Tour B XW-1 50*, 54*, & 58* Nippon Modus 3 105
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23 hours ago, cnosil said:

Do you have any golf shops near you that deal in used golf
Clubs? Getting fit can simply be trying different used sets to see what works best for you. Most places have a launch monitor for you to capture numbers and assess how well the clubs work for you. Look at carry distance, how consistently you hit the ball from a dispersion perspective, maybe launch angle and spin numbers.

All the clubs you listed are good clubs, the question especially in the used market is can you find the shaft head combo that works for you.

 

This is exactly how I fit myself, in a trial and error process that took a few years, once I got started.  It may have been cheaper to get an actual fit, though the high tech fittings were largely not available when I was doing this myself.  

I'm also of the opinion it wouldn't have been as much fun with a "real fitting."  😉   I got to hit and play a *lot* of different clubs over the years, and a lot of different shafts.  

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3w:  Cobra King LTD, Matrix 8m3 X, 42"
2h or 3h:  TaylorMade Stage 2 Tour, Aldila NV105 S
Irons:  3-PW Mizuno MP37, Recoil Proto 125 F4; 1-PW Golden Ram TW282 or Vibration Matched Golden Rams, RIP Tour 115 R (coin flipping for the reshaft project); 1i & 3-PW Golden Ram TW276, NV105 S
GW: Dynacraft Dual Milled CNC 52*, DGS300; Scratch 8620 DS 53*, Steelfiber 125 S
SW:  Ram TG-898 56*, DGX ss2x; Ram Tom Watson 55*, DGX ss2x; Wilson Staff PMP 58*, DGS; Golden Ram TW276, DGS; Golden Ram TW282, DGS; Ram Troon Grind 56*, DGS
LW:  Maltby Design 60*, 1.05 sole, DGS; Maltby Design 60* 1.05 sole, NV105
Putter:  Snake Eyes Viper Tour Sv1, 34"
Ball:  Wilson Staff Duo Professional, or TM TP5

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This is exactly how I fit myself, in a trial and error process that took a few years, once I got started.  It may have been cheaper to get an actual fit, though the high tech fittings were largely not available when I was doing this myself.  

I'm also of the opinion it wouldn't have been as much fun with a "real fitting."     I got to hit and play a *lot* of different clubs over the years, and a lot of different shafts.  

You don’t have to buy them all; even though that is a lot of fun, you can try them on the stores launch monitors.

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Hybrids:  :titelist-small: 816H1 19* set at 18* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
                :titelist-small: 915H  21*  w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype
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On 9/17/2020 at 2:02 PM, Pickle_Rick1996 said:

I live in West Michigan 

Have you stopped by Maple Hill in Grandville to see what they have available on their used rack? I know with this summer's increased demand for golf equipment their inventory is lower than normal, so maybe they are picked over. But they usually have a nice selection of 10-15 used irons sets, some in your price point. At least then you can hit them for a bit and see if you like them.

Worst case - they will have demos of this year's stuff that you can hit on their range as well. At the very least you might find out what you like/dislike, and then you can go back a few generations to something cheaper. For example, you could try the Wilson D7 irons and make a reasonable comparison to the D300s, etc. Not a perfect comparison, but at least you can get a feel for what you might be buying.

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cobra_logo.png.190908c8b4518eec87c087429e4343ee.png Cobra SpeedZone (15°), -3/4", Aldila Rogue Silver 70 (110 MSI) Stiff, Lamkin Sonar Connect
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8 hours ago, cnosil said:

You don’t have to buy them all; even though that is a lot of fun, you can try them on the stores launch monitors. emoji16.png

 

I did that, too.   😁

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3w:  Cobra King LTD, Matrix 8m3 X, 42"
2h or 3h:  TaylorMade Stage 2 Tour, Aldila NV105 S
Irons:  3-PW Mizuno MP37, Recoil Proto 125 F4; 1-PW Golden Ram TW282 or Vibration Matched Golden Rams, RIP Tour 115 R (coin flipping for the reshaft project); 1i & 3-PW Golden Ram TW276, NV105 S
GW: Dynacraft Dual Milled CNC 52*, DGS300; Scratch 8620 DS 53*, Steelfiber 125 S
SW:  Ram TG-898 56*, DGX ss2x; Ram Tom Watson 55*, DGX ss2x; Wilson Staff PMP 58*, DGS; Golden Ram TW276, DGS; Golden Ram TW282, DGS; Ram Troon Grind 56*, DGS
LW:  Maltby Design 60*, 1.05 sole, DGS; Maltby Design 60* 1.05 sole, NV105
Putter:  Snake Eyes Viper Tour Sv1, 34"
Ball:  Wilson Staff Duo Professional, or TM TP5

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53 minutes ago, JDHolmes said:

Ping g30 would be good. Or any other Ping G series clubs.

AP2's are great clubs, but not forgiving. They are better player irons. RSI's had issues with hotspots and the rubber falling out of them.

Cobra king forged tec are great and forgiving

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Did the RSI have problems across the board? Or was it just the RSI1, RSI2, or RSI MB

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