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It's an age old debate: Is it better to invest in new equipment or golf lessons? We tackle this topic and more on today's NPG.

0:00 - Intro
1:33 - Cavity back wedges over blades?
10:59 - Can rain gear really be worth $1000?
20:35 - New clubs vs swing lessons
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New and shiny is always the right choice over lessons.

Every internet golfer knows this.

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Anyone debating lessons or gear needs lessons. You can always improve your form. Even the pros are constantly getting lessons, clubs ain't going to make you better lessons will.

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Yeah but pros will change clubs faster than even we do. 😏

 

I haven't watched the video but this is one that seems obvious on the surface - lessons but then on second thought perhaps its not.  For example, what if there's no intent to follow through on what's being learned?  Any teacher knows that his or her students are fully capable of negating any lesson that's taught.

 

But if we aren't being asked to think too much on this one it has to be lessons. 

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Just now, revkev said:

Yeah but pros will change clubs faster than even we do. 😏

 

I haven't watched the video but this is one that seems obvious on the surface - lessons but then on second thought perhaps its not.  For example, what if there's no intent to follow through on what's being learned?  Any teacher knows that his or her students are fully capable of negating any lesson that's taught.

 

But if we aren't being asked to think too much on this one it has to be lessons. 

This.

While it is an interesting debate, it is only a debate if someone wants to actually put in the work to get better. If they don't have time, money etc to do so then getting lessons won't equal much. 

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I haven't watched yet, but IMO it all depends on the skill level of the golfer.

If you are a 20 to 30 handicap get overall lessons. Then you can properly select the clubs you need to help move forward.

If you are a 10 to 19. Get specific lessons on where you need improvement. Then get  the equipment you need. (Putter wedge, driver, irons)

if you are under a 10  SHOP AWAY!

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I think Tony said it best. In general if you have 30 year old club/blades, almost anything you buy new will improve your game. But if you have reasonably current tech (less than 10 yo?), new clubs aren't likely to make a huge difference - lessons and a commitment to work at it are probably better money spent.

It's still case by case, most high HI players would benefit from multiple lessons and a commitment to work at it more than an equipment change. A dialed in or very consistent player is more likely to see a benefit from new equipment properly fitted.

It was funny in the end he said, 'you all (audience) need to buy more stuff to support what MGS does, so he (Tony) can pay for more lessons.' Tongue in cheek, and not.

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For me, and others that can afford it, there doesn't need to be an "OR". You can buy new clubs and get lessons.

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Symbiotic relationship.  Find a good pro who understands your game through a few lessons and have them make equipment recommendations.  Best case is they can fit you for the correct clubs or can recommend a good fitter.  Did this years ago and went from a high handicapper to a mid handicapper.

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16 minutes ago, theebdk said:

Symbiotic relationship.  Find a good pro who understands your game through a few lessons and have them make equipment recommendations.  Best case is they can fit you for the correct clubs or can recommend a good fitter.  Did this years ago and went from a high handicapper to a mid handicapper.

my swing coach and fitter are from the same shop. my fittings and lessons have been happening concurrently and it’s been a really enjoyable process to keep trying better clubs as my swing evolves because they’re sharing notes and ideas with each other. 

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Different for all. I am at the point personally where I would like to get some short game lessons. 
equipment has changed my game as well though so it’s a double edged sword but I think everyone needs lessons just depends on specific or general

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While shiny and new is always fun, I’d go with lessons at this point. The challenge is finding the right pro to give lessons. Is there such a thing as “Buyers Guide” for lessons. I’m new in my area and I’m just wondering where to begin. Chris nailed it in the podcast Golf Digest runs the best articles but as we’ve learned from MGS, I’d question their methodology. 

 

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1 hour ago, Middler said:

I think Tony said it best. In general if you have 30 year old club/blades, almost anything you buy new will improve your game. But if you have reasonably current tech (less than 10 yo?), new clubs aren't likely to make a huge difference - lessons and a commitment to work at it are probably better money spent.

Well, in spring 2019, I was fitted for irons and changed my 30+ year in the bag PE2's for G410's.  Seeing about a 5 stroke improvement and think it fair to split the gain between the new arrows and simply playing more since retiring.  I had a really bad experience with lessons in my early 20's; pretty significant swing changes that just did not work out. Very well known and competent instructor, and I spent a lot of time trying to make it work.  Big time frustration.

It is my belief that lowering one's handicap, short of near full time commitment to lessons and training, follows an asymptotic curve the lower you go.  Going from 8 to 2 is, for most players, WAY tougher than going from 25 to 15. Once I complete my full bag fitting this winter with a top end fitting facility, I will turn my investments to lessons.  First I want to assure myself I'm playing the best clubs/shafts for me... and I have a gnawing belief I'm not. 

But yes, to Tony's point and as highlighted by the video @GolfSpy Strokershared, lessons are the better investment if you're confident in the sticks your playing.

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I think the answer, as with most things, is it depends and sometimes people need both.  I am a senior golfer and play with other senior golfers.  I see a number of them have good swings but need lighter clubs because they don't swing as fast as they used to do.  I saw a guy I know in his 80s hit a XXIO driver and gain about 15-20 yards from basically the first drive.  He has lost a good bit of distance just in the few years I have known him and  I cannot imagine him getting the distance from lessons that he got in this club.  Similarly, a good friend in his early 60s just demoed a Callaway Driver with a lighter shaft and hit the ball much better than he was hitting his current driver (a Ping G30).

I bought a Ping Glide 3 sand wedge this summer with 14 degrees of bounce and a graphite shaft and am having much more success out of the rough and in bunkers than I did with my old Volkey with a steel shaft and 8 degrees of bounce.  I esp. think the combination of more bounce and a lighter shaft is helping me out of the very thick rough we have at my club.

But, when I was having trouble driving the ball straight earlier this year I took a couple of lessons from the pro I typically get lessons from rather than buy a new driver to "fix" the problem.  I may buy a new driver (I have demoed a few at my club) but only now after I have straightened out my swing.

So, as I said I think it depends.

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On 9/21/2020 at 2:11 PM, StrawberryShortCake said:

Anyone debating lessons or gear needs lessons. You can always improve your form. Even the pros are constantly getting lessons, clubs ain't going to make you better lessons will.

All true, but............ pros can well afford lessons. Clubs don't make you better at golf, but they make feel better  because they are new and they are your's...lol.

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I used to think clubs first over lessons. I moved from my Ping G5 to i500/blueprint combo set which really forced me to improve my ball striking or I am hitting a 7 iron 130 yards hahah! I then got help from a friend who pointed me in the right direction to a local pro who helped me dial in the game. I definitely would recommend not going the route I chose. Dial in your swing with your old clubs and when you feel pretty consistent then go out and get fitted for the new set. You'll have the confidence knowing you'll be able to game your new set of irons and get the satisfaction of shiny new sticks! Hope this helps! 

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I would start with the lessons. Your Pro can fix a lot of swing issues for far less than the cost of new clubs. Once the swing is consistent, go get properly fitted for your new clubs.

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