revkev Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Is it just me? I watch baseball games and I see all kinds of stats, BA with runners on, against hard throwing righties with 1 strike, average exit velocity and launch angle on home rubs, fast ball spin rate, etc., etc. etc. In golf it’s almost crickets - yeah I get SS, carry and curve on some drives - but how about percentage of putts made by this particular player on 20 foot putts. It just seems as if golf coverage is a few steps behind. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy TR1PTIK and sirchunksalot 2 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEZIPR23 Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Golf is way behind, not just with stats but with announcing as well. Listening to announcer say that he has 120 and if he doesn't get it within 10 feet it is not a good shot is just insane. I can't even watch let alone listen. It is changing but really slowly. TR1PTIK, revkev, cnosil and 1 other 4 Quote Stealth 2+ 9 (Diamana PD 60 S 45") Stealth 2+ 15 (Diamana PD 70 S 43") G425 19 (Raijin 2.0 85x) G425 22 (Raijin 2.0 85x) ZX7 5-9 (KBS C Taper S) Vokey SM9 45 10 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 49 08 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 55 08 M (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 59 04 T (KBS 610) Spider GT Splitback 34" ProV1 #23 Twitter @THEZIPR23 "One thing Golf has taught me, is that my muscles have no memory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 I am sure they can push more stats; they have them on the PGA website. I have seen some putting stats for the player compared to the field. As@thezipr23 pointed out the stats would not be very impressive since players don’t hit shots as close as broadcasters like to make you think. Kind of downplays the excitement/drama that broadcasters try to create. sirchunksalot, THEZIPR23 and revkev 3 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEZIPR23 Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, cnosil said: I am sure they can push more stats; they have them on the PGA website. I have seen some putting stats for the player compared to the field. As@thezipr23 pointed out the stats would not be very impressive since players don’t hit shots as close as broadcasters like to make you think. Kind of downplays the excitement/drama that broadcasters try to create. I would agree that it doesn't sound good and the drama does escape some. However they have to know their audience. The average golfer hearing that thinks it's true, when it is not even close. Max Homa wants to start a segment on golf coverages that show just the bad shots. His reasoning is that it would increase the reaction or praise when they do hit it inside 10 feet from 120. revkev, cnosil, TR1PTIK and 1 other 4 Quote Stealth 2+ 9 (Diamana PD 60 S 45") Stealth 2+ 15 (Diamana PD 70 S 43") G425 19 (Raijin 2.0 85x) G425 22 (Raijin 2.0 85x) ZX7 5-9 (KBS C Taper S) Vokey SM9 45 10 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 49 08 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 55 08 M (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 59 04 T (KBS 610) Spider GT Splitback 34" ProV1 #23 Twitter @THEZIPR23 "One thing Golf has taught me, is that my muscles have no memory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrogginBullfish Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 I think part of it is the current crop of analysts prefer to live in their own world where their thoughts and feelings about the game are "correct" regardless of whether advanced metrics have disproven those feelings. Another part is a lot of the average golf fan doesn't care enough about the advanced stats and are perfectly happy to just accept what Azinger or Faldo say as the one true gospel. The amount of blowback I got for calling out Faldo for his bogus claims on graphite shafts from casual fans who just want to trust everything a 6 time major champion has to say was kind of a bit shocking. You can even see it in the YouTube space. Rick Shiels is the leading guy on the platform and his videos are basically generic lessons or challenges and course vlogs built around entertainment. Meanwhile Crossfield is diving deep into advanced stats and new coaching methods and he's been sort of stuck in the 200-300k subscriber range. I get Crossfield can rub a lot of people the wrong way, but the point is he's a guy who's genuinely trying to take golf down the path of utilizing these advanced stats and new training methods to help people get better faster and he's got a fifth of the viewership that Shiels does. Maybe a better television broadcast from a stats POV might make people a bit more receptive to the ideas Crossfield is trying to get across in his videos but currently there certainly seems to a be a lot of pushback against the statistically driven content that Mark is producing. It's disappointing, at least to me, that people would rather listen to the same old adages from the same guys time and time again when the players and the coaches continue to show those adages to be false, or at the very least, misguided. Sent from my Pixel 2 using MyGolfSpy mobile app TR1PTIK, revkev, sirchunksalot and 2 others 4 1 Quote DRIVER PXG 0811XF GEN4 (10.5°) FAIRWAY WOODS PXG 0341XF GEN4 (16°) HYBRIDS PXG 0317XF GEN4 (19°), PXG 0317X GEN4 (22°) IRONS PXG 0311T GEN3 (5 - 9) WEDGES TAYLORMADE MG3 (45°, 50°, 55° TW Grind, 60° TW Grind) PUTTER PXG BATTLE READY ONE & DONE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted September 25, 2020 Author Share Posted September 25, 2020 I’m so glad I’m not the only one. And I know the stats are out there - I enjoy checking them out on the PGA website but it’s tough to do while watching.Our Rays coverage gives you all kinds of metrics and numbers. It’s really fun to watch a ballgame like that IMO. Interestingly I read an off-season article that said the Rays should swing at 3-0 pitched more frequently, they gave and with very good success.The Bryson story of seeing game improvement through statistical analysis should be an inspiration for every golfer. If he has room for improvement imagine the possibilities for the average player. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy THEZIPR23, FrogginBullfish, TR1PTIK and 2 others 5 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEZIPR23 Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 3 hours ago, FrogginBullfish said: Another part is a lot of the average golf fan doesn't care enough about the advanced stats and are perfectly happy to just accept what Azinger or Faldo say as the one true gospel. This is so true and sad at the same time. sirchunksalot, FrogginBullfish and TR1PTIK 3 Quote Stealth 2+ 9 (Diamana PD 60 S 45") Stealth 2+ 15 (Diamana PD 70 S 43") G425 19 (Raijin 2.0 85x) G425 22 (Raijin 2.0 85x) ZX7 5-9 (KBS C Taper S) Vokey SM9 45 10 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 49 08 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 55 08 M (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 59 04 T (KBS 610) Spider GT Splitback 34" ProV1 #23 Twitter @THEZIPR23 "One thing Golf has taught me, is that my muscles have no memory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejgaudette Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 I think we are all a bit in the minority I know many golfers who would not be all that interested in the stats, of course that is not me. As evidenced by the YouTube views @FrogginBullfish mentioned. I agree though looking at them for your game is the easiest way to get better. sirchunksalot, revkev, FrogginBullfish and 1 other 4 Quote Epic Max LS 9° Ventus Blue 6X (2021 Official Review) | Epic Speed 18° Evenflow Riptide 70g 6.0 816 H1 21° Diamana S+ Blue 70 S | SMS 4-5/SMS Pro 6-PW Steelfiber i95 S (2023 Official Review) Glide 4.0 50°.12°S/54°.14°W/58°.6°T PING Z-Z115 Wedge Flex | SOFT 11S Super Stroke Mid-Slim 2.0 Hoofer Bag | Pro V1 | Right Handed | Tracked by V3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted September 26, 2020 Author Share Posted September 26, 2020 It just seems to me that you can put up graphics beneath a players name approaches to the shot he’s hitting just as they do in baseball. The viewer can choose to read the stats or not. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy sirchunksalot and TR1PTIK 2 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, revkev said: It just seems to me that you can put up graphics beneath a players name approaches to the shot he’s hitting just as they do in baseball. The viewer can choose to read the stats or not. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy I agree, that is where i see the putting stats. The problem is that it wouldn't make the players seem like they play great golf. People wouldn't believe a stat like this: Approach to green 100-125 yards from fairway: Dustin Johnson ranks 124th on tour with average of 20'2". Most people expect that to be 5 feet. sirchunksalot 1 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted September 26, 2020 Author Share Posted September 26, 2020 I agree, that is where i see the putting stats. The problem is that it wouldn't make the players seem like they play great golf. People wouldn't believe a stat like this: Approach to green 100-125 yards from fairway: Dustin Johnson ranks 124th on tour with average of 20'2". Most people expect that to be 5 feet. I suppose - they probably think their average is 20 feet when it’s actually 45. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy cnosil and sirchunksalot 2 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrogginBullfish Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 This seems like a fitting link...https://www.adamyounggolf.com/pro-golfers-not-good/Sent from my Pixel 2 using MyGolfSpy mobile app cnosil 1 Quote DRIVER PXG 0811XF GEN4 (10.5°) FAIRWAY WOODS PXG 0341XF GEN4 (16°) HYBRIDS PXG 0317XF GEN4 (19°), PXG 0317X GEN4 (22°) IRONS PXG 0311T GEN3 (5 - 9) WEDGES TAYLORMADE MG3 (45°, 50°, 55° TW Grind, 60° TW Grind) PUTTER PXG BATTLE READY ONE & DONE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted September 26, 2020 Author Share Posted September 26, 2020 Nice read and very true - I think I would add that Pros are good its just that most people's sense of what that means is way, way off. Hitting a 6 iron from 200 yards to 30 feet half the time is pretty amazing. Really amazing actually as is making 40 percent of 10 footers. But I know guys who are ready to burry their putter when they miss from 10 feet (they are probably at a 25 to 30 percent make rate from there.) FrogginBullfish, cnosil and sirchunksalot 3 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrogginBullfish Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Yeah for sure, the pros are really, really good. It's just our perception of how good they actually is sort of skewed by the television coverage.Golf's in a unique position from a coverage standpoint. It's not like other sports. It's one of the few sports where all of the action is spread out. In hockey, baseball, football, basketball, etc, the audience gets to see everything that happens the entire broadcast. In golf, we only get to see who the broadcast wants us to see and its usually only the guys playing well which definitely skews the perception of exactly how good they are for the average viewer.I liken it to social media sites like Instagram or Facebook. The vast majority of people only share the highlights of their lives and from an outside perspective it might look like that person's life is amazing, which could certainly be the case, but it's also generally not as amazing as all those highlights make it out to be. Nice read and very true - I think I would add that Pros are good its just that most people's sense of what that means is way, way off. Hitting a 6 iron from 200 yards to 30 feet half the time is pretty amazing. Really amazing actually as is making 40 percent of 10 footers. But I know guys who are ready to burry their putter when they miss from 10 feet (they are probably at a 25 to 30 percent make rate from there.)Sent from my Pixel 2 using MyGolfSpy mobile app revkev, TR1PTIK, cnosil and 1 other 4 Quote DRIVER PXG 0811XF GEN4 (10.5°) FAIRWAY WOODS PXG 0341XF GEN4 (16°) HYBRIDS PXG 0317XF GEN4 (19°), PXG 0317X GEN4 (22°) IRONS PXG 0311T GEN3 (5 - 9) WEDGES TAYLORMADE MG3 (45°, 50°, 55° TW Grind, 60° TW Grind) PUTTER PXG BATTLE READY ONE & DONE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosox04 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 I have never been a big stat guy. The only stat I keep is the score. I enjoy watching golf, and other sports, but I don't really care for too much info. I just like watching the athletes playing their sport. I know that is contrary to most, but I'm old, and I grew up when the only stat that was important was if someone could bring it when the pressure was on. cnosil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscipleofPenick Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Only stat that matters is how many times it you to get the ball in the hole. Take Dead Aim Bosox04 and fixyurdivot 2 Quote Take Dead Aim Driver: PXG 0211 10.5* Fairway: Titleist 917 F3 15* Hybrid: Adams Idea Pro Boxer Gold 18* Irons: MacGregor MT-86 Pro Wedges: Vokey 50/54/58 Putter: SeeMore X2 Costa del Mar Ball: Srixon Z-Star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted September 27, 2020 Author Share Posted September 27, 2020 Only stat that matters is how many times it you to get the ball in the hole. Take Dead AimI don’t disagree I’m just fascinated but what goes into that - We are told there are a lot of different ways to make a score but what if that’s a myth? What if there is a formula at the top of the game? Bryson’s n seems to think there is. Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy sirchunksalot and TR1PTIK 2 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 If I want to know a players stats, I'll just look at the PGA website... plenty to look at. For me, watching golf on television is one of the last remaining venues that has not been over-hyped (well, The Wasted Management aside), is relatively sedate, and dosen't make my head hurt. Sometimes less is more. Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 3 hours ago, revkev said: We are told there are a lot of different ways to make a score but what if that’s a myth? What if there is a formula at the top of the game? Bryson’s n seems to think there is. There are people that believe there is a formula to playing top golf. That is the whole essence of what Scott Fawcett teaches from a course management/decision/emotion perspective with DECADE. For every shot there is a single answer on how to play the shot and where to aim based on what is in front of you. Some people like him others don't; but for someone into stats, he is an interesting follow on twitter and has some videos on the topic on youtube. He is working with Lou Stagner and uses Shotlink data as a basis. his system isn't complicated, but people allow emotion to change away from the strategy. TR1PTIK and sirchunksalot 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1PTIK Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 15 hours ago, fixyurdivot said: If I want to know a players stats, I'll just look at the PGA website... plenty to look at. For me, watching golf on television is one of the last remaining venues that has not been over-hyped (well, The Wasted Management aside), is relatively sedate, and dosen't make my head hurt. Sometimes less is more. Isn't providing a false narrative on tour players' stats over-hyping it a bit? I mean all we hear about on the broadcasts are how far these guys hit it, and how good they are from here or there, and what a great putter so and so is. What if the stats don't actually reflect these statements? What if, by providing actual player stats, the broadcast could also give context to the distance debate and course design? THEZIPR23 and revkev 2 Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixyurdivot Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, TR1PTIK said: Isn't providing a false narrative on tour players' stats over-hyping it a bit? I mean all we hear about on the broadcasts are how far these guys hit it, and how good they are from here or there, and what a great putter so and so is. What if the stats don't actually reflect these statements? What if, by providing actual player stats, the broadcast could also give context to the distance debate and course design? My point is that I just enjoy watching the golf and don't pay too much attention to the commentators. I have occasionally looked up specific player and collective tour statistics when I have need for that level of detail. I don't need the television screen overloaded with that information. The shot/putt tracer is a nice feature. cnosil 1 Quote G410 Plus, 9 Degree Driver G400 SFT, 16 Degree 3w G400 SFT, 19 Degree 5w ZX5 Irons 4-AW Glide 2.0 56 Degree SW (removed from double secret probation ) ER5v Putter (Evnroll ER5v Official Review) AI-One Milled Seven T CH (Currently Under Product Test) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 16 hours ago, cnosil said: There are people that believe there is a formula to playing top golf. That is the whole essence of what Scott Fawcett teaches from a course management/decision/emotion perspective with DECADE. For every shot there is a single answer on how to play the shot and where to aim based on what is in front of you. Some people like him others don't; but for someone into stats, he is an interesting follow on twitter and has some videos on the topic on youtube. He is working with Lou Stagner and uses Shotlink data as a basis. his system isn't complicated, but people allow emotion to change away from the strategy. I will have to look him up. Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEZIPR23 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 3 hours ago, TR1PTIK said: Isn't providing a false narrative on tour players' stats over-hyping it a bit? I mean all we hear about on the broadcasts are how far these guys hit it, and how good they are from here or there, and what a great putter so and so is. What if the stats don't actually reflect these statements? What if, by providing actual player stats, the broadcast could also give context to the distance debate and course design? Only way to change perception is with the truth. revkev, TR1PTIK and MaxEntropy 3 Quote Stealth 2+ 9 (Diamana PD 60 S 45") Stealth 2+ 15 (Diamana PD 70 S 43") G425 19 (Raijin 2.0 85x) G425 22 (Raijin 2.0 85x) ZX7 5-9 (KBS C Taper S) Vokey SM9 45 10 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 49 08 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 55 08 M (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 59 04 T (KBS 610) Spider GT Splitback 34" ProV1 #23 Twitter @THEZIPR23 "One thing Golf has taught me, is that my muscles have no memory." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revkev Posted October 14, 2020 Author Share Posted October 14, 2020 On 9/28/2020 at 8:58 AM, TR1PTIK said: Isn't providing a false narrative on tour players' stats over-hyping it a bit? I mean all we hear about on the broadcasts are how far these guys hit it, and how good they are from here or there, and what a great putter so and so is. What if the stats don't actually reflect these statements? What if, by providing actual player stats, the broadcast could also give context to the distance debate and course design? Perhaps having the real stats in front of us might give us a better understanding of our own games, particularly in the area of expectation. If we see that a touring pro is happy with a 21 footer from 150 perhaps we won't be so upset about hitting it in the fringe or if we start to know that he is only making 8 percent from 30 feet maybe we won't throw our putter the next time that we miss from there. TR1PTIK, cnosil and Kenny B 3 Quote Taylor Made Stealth 2 10.5 Diamana S plus 60 Aldila R flex - 42.25 inches SMT 4 wood bassara R flex, four wood head, 3 wood shaft Ping G410 7, 9 wood Alta 65 R flex Srixon ZX5 MK II 5-GW - UST recoil Dart 65 R flex India 52,56 (60 pending) UST recoil 75's R flex Evon roll ER 5 32 inches It's our offseason so auditioning candidates - looking for that right mix of low spin long, more spin around the greens - TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 33 minutes ago, revkev said: Perhaps having the real stats in front of us might give us a better understanding of our own games, particularly in the area of expectation. If we see that a touring pro is happy with a 21 footer from 150 perhaps we won't be so upset about hitting it in the fringe or if we start to know that he is only making 8 percent from 30 feet maybe we won't throw our putter the next time that we miss from there. But I'm still going to be upset because I WANT to hit the green... I don't throw my putter though. TR1PTIK 1 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1PTIK Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, Kenny B said: But I'm still going to be upset because I WANT to hit the green... I don't throw my putter though. I hear you. My GIR% is trash. Kenny B 1 Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrogginBullfish Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 But I'm still going to be upset because I WANT to hit the green... I don't throw my putter though.I think we all WANT to hit every green but I also think this is where managing expectations is important, and where tracking your own stats can be very beneficial. If you miss a green with a club you hit, for example, 75% of greens with, you probably should be a little disappointed. But if you miss a green with a club you only hit, for example, 35% of greens with, there's no point in getting upset.Sent from my Pixel 2 using MyGolfSpy mobile app Quote DRIVER PXG 0811XF GEN4 (10.5°) FAIRWAY WOODS PXG 0341XF GEN4 (16°) HYBRIDS PXG 0317XF GEN4 (19°), PXG 0317X GEN4 (22°) IRONS PXG 0311T GEN3 (5 - 9) WEDGES TAYLORMADE MG3 (45°, 50°, 55° TW Grind, 60° TW Grind) PUTTER PXG BATTLE READY ONE & DONE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny B Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 13 minutes ago, FrogginBullfish said: I think we all WANT to hit every green but I also think this is where managing expectations is important, and where tracking your own stats can be very beneficial. If you miss a green with a club you hit, for example, 75% of greens with, you probably should be a little disappointed. But if you miss a green with a club you only hit, for example, 35% of greens with, there's no point in getting upset. Sent from my Pixel 2 using MyGolfSpy mobile app Well, I understand your point, but it is also a matter of perspective. Do you get upset because you know that you normally hit the green 75% of the time IF you put a good strike on the ball, but you shank it? I'm a little more than disappointed. I'm upset. I don't need to track my stats; I know which greens I can/should hit and can't hit. I'm not the best ball striker, and I miss a lot of greens because some I can't reach with a 3W/hybrid unless I hit a perfect shot. Yes, I'm disappointed, but I am also upset with myself because i know that I made par less likely. I suppose it would be different if I could hit driver-iron into every par 4. Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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