PurePuttsGolf Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 What do you think is the biggest mistake average golfers make? I don't think there are wrong answers here, I'm curious what everyone thinks! I say alignment because of how all the problems that can snowball from poor alignment. aerospace_ray and GolfSpy_SHARK 2 Quote Link to comment
Popular Post DaveP043 Posted September 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 29, 2020 7 hours ago, PurePuttsGolf said: What do you think is the biggest mistake average golfers make? I don't think there are wrong answers here, I'm curious what everyone thinks! I say alignment because of how all the problems that can snowball from poor alignment. Welcome to MyGolfSpy!! One of the most common is underclubbing. "One time 4 years ago I hit my 7-iron 175 yards, so that's that I'm hitting from 175 today." LeftyHawk, HeathS16, Micah T and 18 others 21 Quote Irons Titleist T200, AMT Red stiff Rogue SubZero, GD YS-Six X T22 54 and 58 wedges 7-wood 5-wood B60 G5i putter Right handed Reston, Virginia Link to comment
Popular Post cnosil Posted September 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 29, 2020 Trying every swing tip they find on YouTube or some golf website to fix a symptom and not a cause. Jackal, aerospace_ray, TR1PTIK and 11 others 14 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment
Popular Post StrawberryShortCake Posted September 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 29, 2020 Buying new clubs to fix a problem, pay for lessons. You can play with old clubs and still be very good. And like the above post said trying to fix problems watching youtube videos. you need to know the route cause to fix the problem. Everyone has a different swing there is not a one swing for everyone don't fix what aint broke. Micah T, Kenny B, GolfSpy_SHARK and 7 others 10 Quote Driver: Rogue Sub Zero 9* stiff Wood: Tight Lies TI 3 wood stiff Hybrid: XR 3 19 deg stiff Irons: JPX 900 Tour std loft/lie Wedges: 52,56,60 Putter: #7 Red Ball: Q-Star 12.9 Handicap Comox Valley, B.C. Link to comment
Shapotomous Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 I played a lot of weekend late evening 9 hole rounds this summer to squeeze in some golf when I could. I ended up playing at least a few holes with a lot of different people. 90% of them were at least 20+ 'cappers and most seemed to have some sort of basic set up problem....grip, alignment, ball position, posture, etc. The swing usually went off the rails from there. I also like DaveP's underclubbing choice. cnosil, Golfspy_CG2, GolfSpy_SHARK and 4 others 7 Quote Modern Bag: G410 LST 10.5*, Hzrdus Smoke RDX 6.5 Flex; 915F 3w, Diamana S+ 70 S flex; Snake Eyes 18* 2h, 23* 4h & 27* 5h; JPX 900 Forged 6 - PW, PX LZ 6.0; Edison 2.0 49*, 53*, 57* KBS Tour 120 S; Heppler Fetch; Ball - MTB-X; Bag - Jones MyGolfSpy Edition! Shot Scope H4, MG600 Rangefinder Classic Bag: Driver - Persimmon; 3w - Speed Slot; 5w - Tour Block; 3 - pw - Dynapower; sw - Ram Tom Watson; putter - bullseye standard or flange. Link to comment
Popular Post Firebird Posted September 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 29, 2020 Not taking our punishment when in the rough. When you hit a shot into the trees and you try to hit a recovery shot that has a minimal success rate instead of simply just trying to get it back on the fairway bcanini, BNewton51, PurePuttsGolf and 8 others 11 Quote Callaway Epic Flash 9 Degree Callaway Epic Flash 3 wood 15 Degree Callaway Apex 21 Hybrid 19 Degree Callaway Steelhead Pro 4-AW Irons Cleveland 54 Degree Wedge Steel Shaft Recoil Graphite Shafts in all Callaway Cobra Vintage Series Stingray 40 Preferred ball - Seed 001 Link to comment
ZenGolfer Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Id say trying to play the hero shot. Just because you actually pulled It off once doesn't mean its going to work even most of the time and sometimes you need to just take your medicine and get it back into the fairway instead of trying to hit the 200 yard shot out of the rough and over water. JerBooth, BNewton51, Golfspy_CG2 and 5 others 8 Quote "I suppose its better to be a master of 7 than to be vaguely familiar with 14." - Chick Evans Whats in my Sun Mountain 2.5+ stand bag? Woods: Tommy Armour Atomic 10.5* Hybrid: Mizuno MP Fli-Hi 3H Irons: Mizuno T-Zoid True 5, 7 and 9-irons Wedge: Mizuno S18 54* and Top Flite chipper Putter: Mizuno Bettinardi A-02 Ball: Maxfli Tour X Link to comment
goaliedad30 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Swing-wise: Their stance & setup gives them no chance to put the club on the ball solidly. 10 minutes with a pro and some alignment sticks would do wonders. Course management-wise: Not playing within their abilities. Driver on every hole, usually wild. Trying to carry bunkers, penalty areas with no prayer. Underclubbing. Basically, not understanding what shots they are capable of hitting consistently and hitting those. TR1PTIK, GolfSpy_SHARK, BNewton51 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment
Kenny B Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Taking a lesson (because they need it) and expecting results after hitting a large bucket of balls. Pros tweak their swing, and they will take weeks if not months to make it work, and they are good. TR1PTIK, GolfSpy_SHARK, PurePuttsGolf and 3 others 6 Quote “We don’t stop playing the game because we get old; we get old because we stop playing the game.” Link to comment
Popular Post silver & black Posted September 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 30, 2020 Making a tee time. Larryd3, Tanky, Tom the Golf Nut and 7 others 2 8 Quote Link to comment
golfish! Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 13 hours ago, silver & black said: Making a tee time. @silver & black as in not making it on time or just making a tee time lol! and as most people already hit the main ones, i definitely agree with the "trying to apply every swing tip from every instructor". Everyone has a different teaching style and is not correct for everyone. I say choose one teacher (Youtube or in person) and stick with them. I stuck with Clay Bollard from Top Speed Golf and definitely helped my game. Also not taking your medicine when needed! Hit that punch out from behind the tree instead of trying the hero shot like someone else said. Don't think anyone mentioned not using the right clubs. Always shake my head when I see 20+ handicappers using bladed irons because "that is what the pros use." Kansas King, PurePuttsGolf, sirchunksalot and 1 other 4 Quote Driver : SIM2 Max 9* MC Kuro Kago Silver 60 Stiff Woods : GS53 3 Wood 14* Mitsubish Tensei Blue 73g Regular Hybrids: 949X Project X HZRDUS RDX Black Irons : 699 Pro Black 5-AW 1* flat KBS Tour V 90 Stiff Shafts Wedges : 52, 56, 60 Putter : Spider Red Bag : lightweight cart bag | Dry Series Bag Ball : TP5 PIX (2019) | ProV1x (2021) Rangefinder : ULT-X Pushcart : M5 GPS DHC Electric Push Cart SoCal, USA Right handed HDCP 16.4 Link to comment
silver & black Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 9 hours ago, golfish! said: @silver & black as in not making it on time or just making a tee time lol! Just a little levity...lol. GolfSpy_SHARK and Golfspy_CG2 2 Quote Link to comment
Golfspy_CG2 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 On 9/29/2020 at 1:24 PM, Shapotomous said: I played a lot of weekend late evening 9 hole rounds this summer to squeeze in some golf when I could. I ended up playing at least a few holes with a lot of different people. 90% of them were at least 20+ 'cappers and most seemed to have some sort of basic set up problem....grip, alignment, ball position, posture, etc. The swing usually went off the rails from there. I also like DaveP's underclubbing choice. You should have introduced yourself to me when i joined up with you TR1PTIK, GolfSpy_SHARK and sirchunksalot 2 1 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment
Golfspy_CG2 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Playing the wrong tees. And under clubbing as I think @DaveP043 mentioned. TR1PTIK, palvord, GolfSpy_SHARK and 5 others 8 Quote G430 Max 10K TSiR1 15.0 Aldlia Ascent 60g TSR2 18.0 PX Aldila Ascent 6og TSi1 20 Aldila Ascent Shafts R T350 5-GW SteelFiber I80 SM10 48F/54M and58K S159 48S/52S/56W/60B Select 5.5 Flowback 35" ProV1 Play number 12 Link to comment
GolfSpy_SHARK Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 All good stuff here and welcome to MGS. I am going with @DaveP043 on this. Underclubbing. More often than it average golfers are not going to get all of the club every time. I add to this in saying know your actual distances. Arccos has helped me so much with this. Golfspy_CG2, palvord and sirchunksalot 3 Quote Check out my reviews: G710 Irons Official Review I MC Shaft & V Series Putter Official Review 2022 Forged Tec's Official Review I Nitron Push Cart Official Review WITB: Weapons of grass destruction (link to WITB) Traverse is filled with all this shiny metal and tracked by RadSpeed 8* - MotoreX F1 6X SIM 3W - Project X HZRDUS Green U505 Driving Iron 17* - Project X HZRDUS Black SpeedZone 4H - Project X HZRDUS Black 2022 King Forged Tec's 4-PW - KBS $ Tape 130 48 (SM8), 52 & 60 (SM7) - Nippon Modus 125 S ER2VI PROV1X #19 Are you a veteran? Check out the Veterans Golf Association (VGA) Thread! Link to comment
LeftyHawk Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Under clubbing and along with that not knowing the distance of each club, the real distance, not what you think it is!!! Chris palvord, GolfSpy_SHARK and bighairydel 3 Quote Far and Sure...... GBB Epic 11* GBB Epic 7W (Heavenwood) : G410 4 thru GW MD3 54*,60* Huntington Beach Soft #4 Tour B RX Link to comment
tony@CIC Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 I'll add not paying attention to all aspects when it comes to equipment. I play regularly with a guy that hasn't changed his grips in years, wears shoes with worn out cleats and plays with old water balls. He typically shoots 105-110. And yes he can afford all of the above, just doesn't appreciate the value or care. Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy Larryd3, LeftyHawk, GolfSpy_SHARK and 1 other 4 Quote Left Hand orientation SIM 2 D Max with Fujikura Air Speeder Shaft Cobra Radspeed 3W/RIptide Shaft 410 Hybrids 22*, 26* Cobra Speed Zone 6-GP/Recoil ESX 460 F3 Shafts SM7 54* Wedge Glide 3.0 60* Wedge O Works putter V3 NX9-HD - 4 Wheel EZGO TXT 48v cart - too many shoes to list and so many to buy And BAG Boy Golf Balls: Vice Pro Plus 2020 Official Tester Beginning Driver Speed - 78 2019 Official Tester 410 Driver 2018 Official Tester C300 Link to comment
aerospace_ray Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 A toss up IMO between golf knowledge (the rules, ball flight laws:[what causes slices/hooks,etc] & basic golf swing fundamentals, etc) and golf equipment not suited to the golfers abilities and/or current swing characteristics. GolfSpy_SHARK and BNewton51 2 Quote Link to comment
Cory O Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Underclubbing is point 1, 2, and 3 (along with underclubbing) Besides that, I would also mention focusing to much on the pin, not the green. Once they're on the green, thinking too much about the line, not enough about the speed. Last, trying to make up for those mistakes with one swing on the next hole instead of just playing the shot in front of them. GolfSpy_SHARK, Larryd3, TR1PTIK and 1 other 4 Quote 2024 is the year of the short set! Driver: TaylorMade BRNR 11.5* stiff Hybrid: PXG 0311 GEN5 19* Irons: JustGolf Forged Blades (4, 6, 8, PW) Wedge: 56* Forged Prototype Putter: PXG Blackjack Center Shaft 34" Bag: Sunday Golf Loma XL Link to comment
GolfSpy_SHARK Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 2 hours ago, tony@CIC said: I'll add not paying attention to all aspects when it comes to equipment. I play regularly with a guy that hasn't changed his grips in years, wears shoes with worn out cleats and plays with old water balls. He typically shoots 105-110. And yes he can afford all of the above, just doesn't appreciate the value or care. Sent from my iPad using MyGolfSpy Great point. It’s funny too because while golf is known as an expensive sport....equipment can be found so inexpensively these days. golfish!, Kansas King and LeftyHawk 3 Quote Check out my reviews: G710 Irons Official Review I MC Shaft & V Series Putter Official Review 2022 Forged Tec's Official Review I Nitron Push Cart Official Review WITB: Weapons of grass destruction (link to WITB) Traverse is filled with all this shiny metal and tracked by RadSpeed 8* - MotoreX F1 6X SIM 3W - Project X HZRDUS Green U505 Driving Iron 17* - Project X HZRDUS Black SpeedZone 4H - Project X HZRDUS Black 2022 King Forged Tec's 4-PW - KBS $ Tape 130 48 (SM8), 52 & 60 (SM7) - Nippon Modus 125 S ER2VI PROV1X #19 Are you a veteran? Check out the Veterans Golf Association (VGA) Thread! Link to comment
Buffly Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 On 9/29/2020 at 9:54 AM, PurePuttsGolf said: What do you think is the biggest mistake average golfers make? I don't think there are wrong answers here, I'm curious what everyone thinks! I say alignment because of how all the problems that can snowball from poor alignment. #1 they walk on a golf course Now we got that one out of the way: #2 not practicing #3 not understanding the golf swing well enough #4 improperly fit equipment #5 over-swinging #6 poor course management #7 not knowing how far they hit their clubs accurately #8 consistency. (Focusing on distance over accuracy) #9 trying to be a hero - you are not Tiger, Phil, or Bryson #10 losing your cool - you're not good enough to be upset about a bad shot Honorable mention: caring more about drinking than golfing doesn't help scores. All this is part in jest and part serious. I want to encourage everyone to enjoy golf. I hope people learn more about their own game than anyone else because you are the one executing the shot. Learning basic swing mechanics, swinging within your ability, course management, and aiming for the back of the green number more often will lead to a more enjoyable round. GolfSpy_SHARK, Micah T and palvord 3 Quote Golf is simple - people are complicated. 5w Taylormade SLDR S 19* - 220yd, Ping G2 5-U - 190-105, Maltby M+ 54* & MG 60* - 95-75, Evnroll ER8, Titleist 816 H1 4h 21*, Maltby 4 Hybrid Iron 24* - 210-200, Callaway XR16 8* - 235 carry Link to comment
EEZurg Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 All of the above....compounded by standing at address for an excessively long period of time....tensing up and thinking of every swing thought imaginable. Bad shot....stand over the ball longer. Larryd3 and GolfSpy_SHARK 2 Quote 849 Pro Evenflow Riptide 60g EXS 7wood Tensei Blue R 699 4-7i USTRecoil 660 F3 R 699 Pro 8-AW USTRecoil 660 F3 R JB Forged 54 and JB Forged 58 Full Face TAll Wide Blade putter NX9 The Grint Pro Link to comment
TR1PTIK Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 One of my personal pet peeves with less experienced golfers (or at least less knowledgeable ones) is when they don't clean their clubs - EVER. I've got a buddy that I play with on occasion who shoots in the mid-90's on average. He loves golf, but every time I tee it up with him the grooves on his clubs are completely filled up with dirt and grass from the last 10 rounds he played. The only other thing I didn't really see covered already is golfers thinking too much about mechanics out on the course. It's one thing if they are out with the absolute intention of practice, but when they show up expecting to play well then get on the tee box and run through a checklist of everything someone told them or that "worked that one time"... Chip Strokes 1 Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment
Chip Strokes Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 1 hour ago, TR1PTIK said: One of my personal pet peeves with less experienced golfers (or at least less knowledgeable ones) is when they don't clean their clubs - EVER. I've got a buddy that I play with on occasion who shoots in the mid-90's on average. He loves golf, but every time I tee it up with him the grooves on his clubs are completely filled up with dirt and grass from the last 10 rounds he played. this is a huge pet peeve of mine as well, but it expands beyond golf and golf clubs i’ll never understand how people can’t be bothered to keep their stuff in good shape. TR1PTIK and ED13 2 Quote SIM2 8º | KuroKage XD 70TX SIM 3W 14º | Fujikura Atmos Black Tour Spec 9TX SIM2 5W 18º | Fujikura Ventus Black 10X U500 2i | Fujikura Ventus HB Black 10TX T100 4-PW | Dynamic Gold X7 SM6 52* SM8 56* SM8 60* | Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 DW | BGT Stability Tour Link to comment
TR1PTIK Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 1 minute ago, Chip Strokes said: i’ll never understand how people can’t be bothered to keep their stuff in good shape. I hear you. Ever since I made my first "big" expenditure as a kid (a shiny new BMX bike that I spent months saving up for), I've developed a compulsion to maintain certain belongings in an OCD-like manner. My putter still looks like new even though I purchased it 3 years ago and play or practice regularly. It's not just because it's a Scotty or because it was expensive. I did the same thing when I was gaming a second-hand Odyssey White Pro #9 I picked up for $60. I clean my stuff regularly (and in the case of my SC, I'll wipe it down with Hoppe's Silicone Gun & Reel cloth to keep it fresh and prevent oxidation). Chip Strokes, golfish! and russtopherb 3 Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment
Chip Strokes Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 55 minutes ago, TR1PTIK said: I hear you. Ever since I made my first "big" expenditure as a kid (a shiny new BMX bike that I spent months saving up for), I've developed a compulsion to maintain certain belongings in an OCD-like manner. My putter still looks like new even though I purchased it 3 years ago and play or practice regularly. It's not just because it's a Scotty or because it was expensive. I did the same thing when I was gaming a second-hand Odyssey White Pro #9 I picked up for $60. I clean my stuff regularly (and in the case of my SC, I'll wipe it down with Hoppe's Silicone Gun & Reel cloth to keep it fresh and prevent oxidation). absolutely. i was raised on “the better you take care of your stuff, the better it will take care of you.” i just sent my high school baseball glove off to be reconditioned in the hopes that my son will use it someday and the guy doing the work couldn’t believe it was 20 years old. i lease my cars through my company and return them in better shape than i picked them up. i like nice things and i take pride in keeping them nice palvord and TR1PTIK 2 Quote SIM2 8º | KuroKage XD 70TX SIM 3W 14º | Fujikura Atmos Black Tour Spec 9TX SIM2 5W 18º | Fujikura Ventus Black 10X U500 2i | Fujikura Ventus HB Black 10TX T100 4-PW | Dynamic Gold X7 SM6 52* SM8 56* SM8 60* | Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 DW | BGT Stability Tour Link to comment
palvord Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Welcome to MGS, @PurePuttsGolf. Fun question as you can see the varied responses. I would say having unrealistic expectations. Managing your expectations, based on your abilities, will allow you to have the most amount of fun on the course, and can provide a clear pathway to improvement. silver & black and THEZIPR23 2 Quote In my Ultralight Stand Bag: Driver: Rogue 10.5° - LH - Project X EvenFlow 60 Stiff Woods: King F9 - LH - 3/4 Wood - Atmos Blue TS 7 Stiff King F9 - LH - 5/6 Wood - Atmos Blue TS 7 Stiff Irons: King F9 - LH - 5-GW - KBS C-Taper Lite Stiff Wedges: King Black - LH - 52° 56° 60° - KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 Stiff Putter: - Impact No. 3 Ball: Maxfli TourX Rangefinder: LX5 Watch Link to comment
golfish! Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 13 minutes ago, palvord said: Welcome to MGS, @PurePuttsGolf. Fun question as you can see the varied responses. I would say having unrealistic expectations. Managing your expectations, based on your abilities, will allow you to have the most amount of fun on the course, and can provide a clear pathway to improvement. You hit a great point! Just have fun instead of getting so technical. palvord and Chip Strokes 2 Quote Driver : SIM2 Max 9* MC Kuro Kago Silver 60 Stiff Woods : GS53 3 Wood 14* Mitsubish Tensei Blue 73g Regular Hybrids: 949X Project X HZRDUS RDX Black Irons : 699 Pro Black 5-AW 1* flat KBS Tour V 90 Stiff Shafts Wedges : 52, 56, 60 Putter : Spider Red Bag : lightweight cart bag | Dry Series Bag Ball : TP5 PIX (2019) | ProV1x (2021) Rangefinder : ULT-X Pushcart : M5 GPS DHC Electric Push Cart SoCal, USA Right handed HDCP 16.4 Link to comment
Buffly Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 23 minutes ago, palvord said: Managing your expectations, based on your abilities, will allow you to have the most amount of fun on the course, and can provide a clear pathway to improvement. That about sums it up better than I ever could have! palvord 1 Quote Golf is simple - people are complicated. 5w Taylormade SLDR S 19* - 220yd, Ping G2 5-U - 190-105, Maltby M+ 54* & MG 60* - 95-75, Evnroll ER8, Titleist 816 H1 4h 21*, Maltby 4 Hybrid Iron 24* - 210-200, Callaway XR16 8* - 235 carry Link to comment
Popular Post THEZIPR23 Posted October 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 1, 2020 Man, reading this thread makes me wonder how an "avg" golfer ever gets the ball in the hole. The biggest thing the average golfer does is exactly this thread, FOCUS ON WHAT THEY DO WRONG instead of focusing on what they do right. Kenny B, palvord, TR1PTIK and 7 others 10 Quote Stealth 2+ 9 (Diamana PD 60 S 45") Stealth 2+ 15 (Diamana PD 70 S 43") G425 19 (Raijin 2.0 85x) G425 22 (Raijin 2.0 85x) ZX7 5-9 (KBS C Taper S) Vokey SM9 45 10 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 49 08 F (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 55 08 M (KBS 610) Vokey SM9 59 04 T (KBS 610) Spider GT Splitback 34" ProV1 #23 Twitter @THEZIPR23 "One thing Golf has taught me, is that my muscles have no memory." Link to comment
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