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I love all the research that’s taken place over the last year by everybody and ranking the balls by performance, but if the theory of a softer ball lends to a little less performance, I have a question about two balls specifically.

2020 Bridgestone B RXS

2020 Srixon Q Star Tour

Even though the balls in the testing from last April were 2019 models, these balls both ranked very high in performance for swing speeds at or near 100 mph. How do they buck the theory with so much softness and lower compression? 

As I try to narrow my selection for one ball to use, I am fighting the feeling (which I like) of both of these balls verse trying to play a harder ball which is recommended for better performance.

Just looking for a little more support for the right ball choice.

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I don't think you'll find a better, more reasoned response than what @JohnSmalls posted. Ball speed is only one metric of performance and there are many variables involved in deciding what ball will work best for you. 

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11 hours ago, Sako said:

 

Even though the balls in the testing from last April were 2019 models, these balls both ranked very high in performance for swing speeds at or near 100 mph. How do they buck the theory with so much softness and lower compression? 

 

We really don't know "softness" or "compression" for the  Srixon since there isn't a standard way to measure.    It will be interesting to see when it comes through the Ball Lab.  The report for the Tour B RXS is out and while a little softer than Prov and TP5 I wouldn't consider it that soft;  it ranks as a firm ball.  

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15 minutes ago, cnosil said:

We really don't know "softness" or "compression" for the  Srixon since there isn't a standard way to measure.    It will be interesting to see when it comes through the Ball Lab.  The report for the Tour B RXS is out and while a little softer than Prov and TP5 I wouldn't consider it that soft;  it ranks as a firm ball.  

Ball Lab report was for the Tour B XS, not the RXS that the OP is referring to. Also Srixon uses an ATTI tester to measure overall compression which is as close to an industry standard as had ever existed during the wound era, but you are correct that it is not recommended to compare OEM provided numbers as they may not be measured the same.

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3 minutes ago, storm319 said:

Ball Lab report was for the Tour B XS, not the RXS that the OP is referring to. Also Srixon uses an ATTI tester to measure overall compression which is as close to an industry standard as had ever existed during the wound era, but you are correct that it is not recommended to compare OEM provided numbers as they may not be measured the same.

Good catch,  then we must wait until Tony does more work.  

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Did MGS change how they measure compression. Last year's ball test had Snell MTB-X at 114.3. This year's ball lab had it on average at 96. Seems like a big difference to me.

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12 hours ago, JohnSmalls said:

So much of this depends on your club selection and how those clubs and golf balls fit your specific swing.

Higher compression typically generates more ball speed from lower lofted clubs such as drivers, fairway woods, long irons.  Softer compression ball speeds can "catch up" with  mid/short irons and wedges as compared to golf balls of higher compression.  Softer compression golf balls are also generally lower spinning balls.  Ground is also made up with mid-short irons due to lower spin produced.   Higher compression golf balls are not necessarily greater nor worse than softer compression golf balls, as a whole.  It depends on what works for the specific golfer.  Some want distance off the tee, some want or need more spin from irons/wedges.  Some need less spin.

The best thing you can do is get a couple of sleeves of the golf balls you want to try, and test them back to back on the course.  Start out with green performance and work your way back to the tee box.  Play what works for you.

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12 hours ago, dlow206 said:

Did MGS change how they measure compression. Last year's ball test had Snell MTB-X at 114.3. This year's ball lab had it on average at 96. Seems like a big difference to me.

Yes they did.  I asked Tony earlier this year and to which he confirmed. I can’t remember specifically the percentage in change between the two standards of measurement (Ball Lab 2020 vs Ball Test 2019)but I do remember him saying that compression readings are coming out noticeably  lower than with the first standard he used in 2019. 

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1 hour ago, JohnSmalls said:

Yes they did.  I asked Tony earlier this year and to which he confirmed. I can’t remember specifically the percentage in change between the two standards of measurement but I do remember him saying that compression readings are coming out noticeably  lower than with the first standard he used in 2019. 

Here is the response from Tony when I inquired in the comments section of the Chrome Soft Ball Lab article:

“Yes, the equipment used was different. The native scale is a bit different and the conversions, from what we can tell anyway, aren’t perfect. We find that our machine is generally close to manufacturer’s stated numbers.“

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For what it's worth, TXG has stated multiple times on their channel that they do not buy into the high ball compression - high swing speed correlation.

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11 hours ago, BIG STU said:

Good Post you are learning there Grasshopper

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