Sako Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 I love all the research that’s taken place over the last year by everybody and ranking the balls by performance, but if the theory of a softer ball lends to a little less performance, I have a question about two balls specifically. 2020 Bridgestone B RXS 2020 Srixon Q Star Tour Even though the balls in the testing from last April were 2019 models, these balls both ranked very high in performance for swing speeds at or near 100 mph. How do they buck the theory with so much softness and lower compression? As I try to narrow my selection for one ball to use, I am fighting the feeling (which I like) of both of these balls verse trying to play a harder ball which is recommended for better performance. Just looking for a little more support for the right ball choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JohnSmalls Posted October 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 2, 2020 So much of this depends on your club selection and how those clubs and golf balls fit your specific swing. Higher compression typically generates more ball speed from lower lofted clubs such as drivers, fairway woods, long irons. Softer compression ball speeds can "catch up" with mid/short irons and wedges as compared to golf balls of higher compression. Softer compression golf balls are also generally lower spinning balls. Ground is also made up with mid-short irons due to lower spin produced. Higher compression golf balls are not necessarily greater nor worse than softer compression golf balls, as a whole. It depends on what works for the specific golfer. Some want distance off the tee, some want or need more spin from irons/wedges. Some need less spin. The best thing you can do is get a couple of sleeves of the golf balls you want to try, and test them back to back on the course. Start out with green performance and work your way back to the tee box. Play what works for you. sirchunksalot, Kenny B, russtopherb and 7 others 10 Quote Gameday Vessel Sunday 2.0/ Ogio Silencer Dynapwr Carbon | Hzrdus Smoke Black Mavrik 3w | Evenflow Riptide FG Tour F5 Hybrid(20,23) | MCA Fubuki Staff Model CB 5-PW | DG 120 Vokey SM7 (50, 54, 58) | DG 120 Studio Stock 15 -ProV1x (left dash) Romans 10:9 Classic Bag Jones Collegiate Clemson Stand Bag Eye 2 Laminate 1973 Staff Dynapower 4-PW Anser DUO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR1PTIK Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 I don't think you'll find a better, more reasoned response than what @JohnSmalls posted. Ball speed is only one metric of performance and there are many variables involved in deciding what ball will work best for you. JohnSmalls, silver & black and sirchunksalot 3 Quote Driver: ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S Fairway Wood: ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S Hybrid: CLK 17* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB Irons: J40 CB (3-PW) Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 Wedges: Milled Grind 2 54* & 58* Dynamic Gold S200 Putter: Tri-Hot 5k Two 34" Bag: Players 5 Stand Bag Ball: Maxfli Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 11 hours ago, Sako said: Even though the balls in the testing from last April were 2019 models, these balls both ranked very high in performance for swing speeds at or near 100 mph. How do they buck the theory with so much softness and lower compression? We really don't know "softness" or "compression" for the Srixon since there isn't a standard way to measure. It will be interesting to see when it comes through the Ball Lab. The report for the Tour B RXS is out and while a little softer than Prov and TP5 I wouldn't consider it that soft; it ranks as a firm ball. JohnSmalls and sirchunksalot 2 Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storm319 Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 15 minutes ago, cnosil said: We really don't know "softness" or "compression" for the Srixon since there isn't a standard way to measure. It will be interesting to see when it comes through the Ball Lab. The report for the Tour B RXS is out and while a little softer than Prov and TP5 I wouldn't consider it that soft; it ranks as a firm ball. Ball Lab report was for the Tour B XS, not the RXS that the OP is referring to. Also Srixon uses an ATTI tester to measure overall compression which is as close to an industry standard as had ever existed during the wound era, but you are correct that it is not recommended to compare OEM provided numbers as they may not be measured the same. JohnSmalls 1 Quote TS2 9.5 909F2 15.5 690.CB 3-PW Vokey SM5 50, 56 Works Versa 1W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnosil Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, storm319 said: Ball Lab report was for the Tour B XS, not the RXS that the OP is referring to. Also Srixon uses an ATTI tester to measure overall compression which is as close to an industry standard as had ever existed during the wound era, but you are correct that it is not recommended to compare OEM provided numbers as they may not be measured the same. Good catch, then we must wait until Tony does more work. Quote Driver: G400 Max 9* w/ KBS Tour Driven Fairway: TS3 15* w/Project X Hzardous Smoke Hybrids: 915H 21* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype 915H 24* w/KBS Tour Graphite Hybrid Prototype Irons: TR20V 6-11 w/Vizard TR20-85 Graphite Wedge: 54/12D, 60/8M w/:Accra iWedge 90 Graphite Putter: TM-180 Testing: Backups: Milled Collection RSX 2, mFGP2, Futura 5W Member: MGS Hitsquad since 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlow206 Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Did MGS change how they measure compression. Last year's ball test had Snell MTB-X at 114.3. This year's ball lab had it on average at 96. Seems like a big difference to me. Quote Follow my golf journey to break into the 80s Tester for the Titleist TSi Driver Spring 2020 MGS Tester for the Fujikura Motore X Shaft Updated 07/15/2022 Driver: Rogue St Max LS - Autoflex Fairway Woods: Rogue Max St 3HL and 7 Wood Irons: JPX 921 Hot Metal 5 to AW - Aerotech Steelfiber i95 Stiff parallel tip Wedges: Glide 4.0 54 and 58 Putter: PLD Custom Kushin 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG STU Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 12 hours ago, JohnSmalls said: So much of this depends on your club selection and how those clubs and golf balls fit your specific swing. Higher compression typically generates more ball speed from lower lofted clubs such as drivers, fairway woods, long irons. Softer compression ball speeds can "catch up" with mid/short irons and wedges as compared to golf balls of higher compression. Softer compression golf balls are also generally lower spinning balls. Ground is also made up with mid-short irons due to lower spin produced. Higher compression golf balls are not necessarily greater nor worse than softer compression golf balls, as a whole. It depends on what works for the specific golfer. Some want distance off the tee, some want or need more spin from irons/wedges. Some need less spin. The best thing you can do is get a couple of sleeves of the golf balls you want to try, and test them back to back on the course. Start out with green performance and work your way back to the tee box. Play what works for you. Good Post you are learning there Grasshopper sirchunksalot, JohnSmalls and aerospace_ray 3 Quote Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex- 5W TM V-Steel Fubuki 60r--- 7W TM V-Steel UST Pro Force Gold 65R----- 9 W TM V Steel TM MAS stiff---- Irons 2015 TM TP CB Steel Fiber 95 R--- GW Callaway Mack Daddy 2 52* shaft unknown junk pile refugee. SW Callaway PM Grind 56* Modified sole grind--- KBS Tour Wedge-- LW Vokey 58* SM5 L grind--- Putter Ping B90I Broom Stick G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnSmalls Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 12 hours ago, dlow206 said: Did MGS change how they measure compression. Last year's ball test had Snell MTB-X at 114.3. This year's ball lab had it on average at 96. Seems like a big difference to me. Yes they did. I asked Tony earlier this year and to which he confirmed. I can’t remember specifically the percentage in change between the two standards of measurement (Ball Lab 2020 vs Ball Test 2019)but I do remember him saying that compression readings are coming out noticeably lower than with the first standard he used in 2019. Quote Gameday Vessel Sunday 2.0/ Ogio Silencer Dynapwr Carbon | Hzrdus Smoke Black Mavrik 3w | Evenflow Riptide FG Tour F5 Hybrid(20,23) | MCA Fubuki Staff Model CB 5-PW | DG 120 Vokey SM7 (50, 54, 58) | DG 120 Studio Stock 15 -ProV1x (left dash) Romans 10:9 Classic Bag Jones Collegiate Clemson Stand Bag Eye 2 Laminate 1973 Staff Dynapower 4-PW Anser DUO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storm319 Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 1 hour ago, JohnSmalls said: Yes they did. I asked Tony earlier this year and to which he confirmed. I can’t remember specifically the percentage in change between the two standards of measurement but I do remember him saying that compression readings are coming out noticeably lower than with the first standard he used in 2019. Here is the response from Tony when I inquired in the comments section of the Chrome Soft Ball Lab article: “Yes, the equipment used was different. The native scale is a bit different and the conversions, from what we can tell anyway, aren’t perfect. We find that our machine is generally close to manufacturer’s stated numbers.“ JohnSmalls 1 Quote TS2 9.5 909F2 15.5 690.CB 3-PW Vokey SM5 50, 56 Works Versa 1W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamflowers Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 For what it's worth, TXG has stated multiple times on their channel that they do not buy into the high ball compression - high swing speed correlation. Quote ST 200 9.5°, Mitsubishi Tensei AV Blue 65 S ST 200 3w 15°, Diamana S+ 60 S Z H85 3h 19°, Project X Hzrdus Black Hybrid 6.0 P770 (2017) 4-PW, KBS Tour FLT 120 S SM8 50.08F, 54.14F, 58.08M, KBS Tour S Sigma 2 Fetch 34" Tour B X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnSmalls Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 11 hours ago, BIG STU said: Good Post you are learning there Grasshopper Slow and steady! BIG STU 1 Quote Gameday Vessel Sunday 2.0/ Ogio Silencer Dynapwr Carbon | Hzrdus Smoke Black Mavrik 3w | Evenflow Riptide FG Tour F5 Hybrid(20,23) | MCA Fubuki Staff Model CB 5-PW | DG 120 Vokey SM7 (50, 54, 58) | DG 120 Studio Stock 15 -ProV1x (left dash) Romans 10:9 Classic Bag Jones Collegiate Clemson Stand Bag Eye 2 Laminate 1973 Staff Dynapower 4-PW Anser DUO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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