Jump to content

When should I upgrade from Game Improvement Irons?!?


Recommended Posts

Our Sponsors

I’m just curious when I should start considering switching from Game Improvement clubs to Players Distance? I’m currently playing a set of Cobra F8’s. I was fitted for these clubs a little over 2 yrs ago. I’ve been playing for over 10yrs but seriously started playing and practicing consistently for the past 3yrs and my handicap has dropped from 13-15 to 7.5-9.0

 

I was playing with a gentleman who was playing from the Blues and I’ve still being playing whites after 4th hole he suggested it’s time I make the move to the blues. I try to learn as much as I can from others so I asked for suggestions to keep progressing. One of his suggestions is make sure you are playing the right equipment for you.

 

Just looking for some input or things to look out for.

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy

  • Like 2
Link to post
12 minutes ago, blackngold_blood said:

There is no set time or handicap to start playing players irons over GI ones. Getting fit again as you did 2 years ago would be the best way to go. Go into the fitting looking to hit some GI irons as well as some Players irons. 

+1. I’m not sure what you consider “players irons” but in general you will lose distance and forgiveness and gain feel and workability with blades over GI. And your launch angle may change for a given loft (not necessarily club number). IMO it would be wise to compare in a fitting so you know what your gaining and losing. 

  • Like 8
  • Callaway Rogue 10.5° 9.5°D & 3W
  • Mizuno JPX900 Forged 4-GW, S18 56.10, S18 60.06
  • Evnroll ER5B (replaced ER2)
  • and 14th club - Mizuno CLK 3H 19° OR MP-20 HMB 3i 19°
  • Snell MTB-X (replaced Black)
Link to post

Simple, do you feel your game would improve by going to player irons. Secondly what do you feel are the limitations of your Cobra's if any.

  • Like 2

Callaway Epic Flash 9 Degree

Callaway Big Bertha Fusion 3 wood 15 Degree

Callaway Epic Hybrid 18 Degree

Callaway Steelhead Pro 4-AW Irons

Cleveland 54 Degree Wedge Steel Shaft

Recoil Graphite Shafts in all Callaway Clubs

Callaway Big Bertha Putter - for when it is wet

La Jolla Putter with Flat Car Grip.

Preferred ball - Currently Costco Kirkland Performance 3 Piece but Seed 001 is preferred.

Link to post

FWIW I'm currently a 2.5 index and I play Cleveland CBX irons.  Solidly in the game improvement category.  

There is no set trigger or time you need to make a switch.  Personally I don't think there is any reason to switch at all for me.  If there is something you are looking for your current irons to do (or not do) then I would recommend getting fit again as others have already said.  Go in with an open mind and play the equipment that best fits your game.  Don't get hung up on what category of clubs you play.

  • Like 8

Driver: :callaway-logo-1: Epic SZ w/ VA Composites Raijin 65 04

3w: :taylormade-small:'16 M2 hl w/ Diamana D+ 82

5w: :cleveland-small: Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Yellow

Hybrid: :cleveland-small: 22 deg. Launcher HB w/ HZRDUS Black

Irons: :ping-small: 5i-UW G700 w/ X100 soft stepped once

Wedges: :cleveland-small: 54 & 58 CBX w/ Nippon Modus 3 125

Putter: :odyssey-small: Red 7s

Link to post
58 minutes ago, hckymeyer said:

FWIW I'm currently a 2.5 index and I play Cleveland CBX irons.  Solidly in the game improvement category.  

There is no set trigger or time you need to make a switch.  Personally I don't think there is any reason to switch at all for me.  If there is something you are looking for your current irons to do (or not do) then I would recommend getting fit again as others have already said.  Go in with an open mind and play the equipment that best fits your game.  Don't get hung up on what category of clubs you play.

+1. Some of the best players I play with regularly use GI irons, and they don't have any intention of switching. Most of the really good players I know who play blades/musclebacks bought them MANY years ago before there were decent GI/SGI options - and they've just stayed with them.

  • Callaway Rogue 10.5° 9.5°D & 3W
  • Mizuno JPX900 Forged 4-GW, S18 56.10, S18 60.06
  • Evnroll ER5B (replaced ER2)
  • and 14th club - Mizuno CLK 3H 19° OR MP-20 HMB 3i 19°
  • Snell MTB-X (replaced Black)
Link to post

Like every one said, there is no set time / handicap level. Its all about what works. I played game improvment irons for 30 years and my handicap was down to a  2.5. I only changed by chance. I was selected as a tester for the Sub 70 699 Pro`s. These are players distance irons. I did achieve very good results and I am now at a 1.2 handicap. Had I not been selected I would still be playing game improvment irons and I probably still could have dropped my handicap some more.  Changing irons forced me to focus more for testing and play more to give them a good workout and have info to post.  But these irons did work well for me and still are.

If you still are considering a change take your current irons with you to your fitting and do a side by side comparison to see if it is worth while to change.

  • Like 8

:ping-small: Driver, G400 11* SR Flex

:taylormade-small: 3 Wood, SLDR 17*  R Flex

:taylormade-small: 5 Wood, SLDR 19* R Flex

:cobra-small: 7 Wood, F6 22.5* R Flex

:Sub70: Irons, 699 Pro's S Flex (5 - AW)

:cleveland-small: Wedges, CBX 56* & 60*

:odyssey-small: Putter, Marksman Fang 35"

Link to post

@TxTwinDad+2 TXG had a great video about sole design and how it affects different types of players. 

Basically, if you can consistently make impact then game improvement designs could hold you back - simple summary of the video. 

Obviously, everything is player dependent and a fitting could reveal a benefit with different turf interaction or not. 

Check out the video for something to ask your fitter:

 

  • Like 2

Golf is simple - people are complicated.

5w Taylormade SLDR S 19* - 220yd, Ping G2 5-U - 190-105, Maltby M+ 54* & MG 60* - 95-75, Evnroll ER8, Titleist 816 H1 4h 21*, Maltby 4 Hybrid Iron 24* - 210-200, Callaway XR16 8* - 235 carry

886809507_image1(5).jpeg.56bc697c3b02b1fb00feb8d4b66389bc~2.jpeg

Link to post

Thank you everyone for the input. I guess the answer is to set up another fitting and compare. 

I would say that my biggest concern is what some are calling ballooning of my shots I'm not sure what causes that. 

Link to post

I would look for a trend, or maybe a scoring/distance plateau. Or are you desiring to work the ball more? If you are happy with ball flight & distance then don't worry about it.

You can always do a fitting to see if the numbers say it's time for a change.

Take Dead Aim

  • Like 2
Link to post
21 hours ago, TxTwinDad+2 said:

Thank you everyone for the input. I guess the answer is to set up another fitting and compare. 

I would say that my biggest concern is what some are calling ballooning of my shots I'm not sure what causes that. 

Ballooning is usually (always?) too much spin. It’s can be a “good problem” and you might be able to reduce spin by simply changing balls to a lower spin brand/model. How you strike the ball also influences how much spin you impart - angle of attack and/or sweeping vs digging. Less likely but too much shaft flex might be a factor. GI irons are typically higher launch than blades for a given loft, but that doesn’t mean you’ll see higher launch comparing irons by club number (e.g. a blade 7 iron will be higher loft/CG than a GI 7 iron low CG/high launch more often than not). In a proper fitting you’ll be able to compare spin, peak height and descent angles to know what meets your needs.

  • Like 1
  • Callaway Rogue 10.5° 9.5°D & 3W
  • Mizuno JPX900 Forged 4-GW, S18 56.10, S18 60.06
  • Evnroll ER5B (replaced ER2)
  • and 14th club - Mizuno CLK 3H 19° OR MP-20 HMB 3i 19°
  • Snell MTB-X (replaced Black)
Link to post
2 minutes ago, Middler said:

 

 

  • Callaway Rogue 10.5° 9.5°D & 3W
  • Mizuno JPX900 Forged 4-GW, S18 56.10, S18 60.06
  • Evnroll ER5B (replaced ER2)
  • and 14th club - Mizuno CLK 3H 19° OR MP-20 HMB 3i 19°
  • Snell MTB-X (replaced Black)
Link to post
On 10/5/2020 at 4:17 PM, TxTwinDad+2 said:

Thank you everyone for the input. I guess the answer is to set up another fitting and compare. 

I would say that my biggest concern is what some are calling ballooning of my shots I'm not sure what causes that. 

Ballooning is generally caused by spin. How the spin is created varies a little though.

I used to balloon the ball as well and it came down to flipping the hands through impact and adding loft. Once I changed my impact dynamics, my ball flight changed as well and it did not require new clubs. 

  • Like 3

Driver: Mizuno ST190 9.5* Fujikura Atmos Blue 5S
Fairway Wood: Mizuno ST190 15* Fujikura Atmos Blue 6S
Hyrbrid: Mizuno CLK 19* Fujikura Speeder EVO HB
Irons: Nike Vapor Pro Combo (4-PW) Dynamic Gold Pro S300
Wedges: Bridgestone Tour B XW-1 50*, 54*, & 58* Nippon Modus 3 105
Putter: Scotty Cameron Futura 6m 33"
Ball: Bridgestone Tour B XS
Bag: 2017 Titleist Players 5 Stand Bag

Link to post

I played the F8's until a month ago, and I'd still be playing them if I weren't testing the Wilson D7 Forged.  I got my handicap down under 5 at one point (lowest since high school).  So if they're good clubs for you, they're good clubs for you.  

But a new fitting can't hurt, can it?

  • Like 1

What's in the bag:
Driver - :cobra-small: F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S )
3 Wood (16*) - :cobra-small: F8 - Aldila NV Blue 60 ( S )
2 Iron - :mizuno-small: FliHi (18*) - Recoil 760 ( S )
4i - GW - :wilson_staff_small: D7 Forged - Recoil 760 ( S )
SW - LW - :cobra-small: F8 - N.S. Pro Modus3 Tour105 ( S )
Putter - :ping-small: Craz-e
Bag - :1590477705_SunMountain: 2.5 (Black)
Ball -  :srixon-small: Z-Star XV
Instagram - @hardcorelooper
Twitter - @meovino
Facebook - mike.eovino
 

Link to post
8 hours ago, TR1PTIK said:

Ballooning is generally caused by spin. How the spin is created varies a little though.

I used to balloon the ball as well and it came down to flipping the hands through impact and adding loft. Once I changed my impact dynamics, my ball flight changed as well and it did not require new clubs. 

Yup. I know that routine. The dreaded flip adding loft instead of forward shaft lean deloft

  • Like 1

Golf is simple - people are complicated.

5w Taylormade SLDR S 19* - 220yd, Ping G2 5-U - 190-105, Maltby M+ 54* & MG 60* - 95-75, Evnroll ER8, Titleist 816 H1 4h 21*, Maltby 4 Hybrid Iron 24* - 210-200, Callaway XR16 8* - 235 carry

886809507_image1(5).jpeg.56bc697c3b02b1fb00feb8d4b66389bc~2.jpeg

Link to post
4 hours ago, HardcoreLooper said:

I played the F8's until a month ago, and I'd still be playing them if I weren't testing the Wilson D7 Forged.  I got my handicap down under 5 at one point (lowest since high school).  So if they're good clubs for you, they're good clubs for you.  

But a new fitting can't hurt, can it?

Club fitting only hurts my ego when no club can fix my numbers like a lesson can!

  • Like 2

Golf is simple - people are complicated.

5w Taylormade SLDR S 19* - 220yd, Ping G2 5-U - 190-105, Maltby M+ 54* & MG 60* - 95-75, Evnroll ER8, Titleist 816 H1 4h 21*, Maltby 4 Hybrid Iron 24* - 210-200, Callaway XR16 8* - 235 carry

886809507_image1(5).jpeg.56bc697c3b02b1fb00feb8d4b66389bc~2.jpeg

Link to post
Club fitting only hurts my ego when no club can fix my numbers like a lesson can!

Very true I’ve taken many lessons over the last 3 years they’ve most definitely played the biggest part in my improvements.




Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy
  • Like 2
Link to post

As long as they work, I think they're fine. I'm a scratch and still use Wilson C200 irons, which are game improvement.

  • Like 2

:ping-small:G 10* Driver

:cobra-small:King F7 3&4 Hybrids

:mizuno-small:JPX 900 Forged P-4 Irons

Kirkland Signature 52*&56* Wedges

:taylormade-small:Corza Ghost Putter

:bridgestone-small:Tour B RXS

Link to post
On 10/3/2020 at 1:16 PM, TxTwinDad+2 said:

 

I’m just curious when I should start considering switching from Game Improvement clubs to Players Distance? I’m currently playing a set of Cobra F8’s. I was fitted for these clubs a little over 2 yrs ago. I’ve been playing for over 10yrs but seriously started playing and practicing consistently for the past 3yrs and my handicap has dropped from 13-15 to 7.5-9.0

 

I was playing with a gentleman who was playing from the Blues and I’ve still being playing whites after 4th hole he suggested it’s time I make the move to the blues. I try to learn as much as I can from others so I asked for suggestions to keep progressing. One of his suggestions is make sure you are playing the right equipment for you.

 

Just looking for some input or things to look out for.

 

 

Sent from my iPhone using MyGolfSpy

 

I remember having a conversation with you in the Sub 70 iron thread. I was a little disappointed in their LH demo program, but you were trying out the same set I was interested in, the 699's.  I'm assuming they didn't work out for you, as you said you still play the Cobra's.

Just wanted to give you a little heads up, if you are still interested in what is a similar style iron to the sub 70, but in my opinion much better quality. The PXG 0211's are currently available at $89 per club. I got them with MMT70 shafts at that price, and the shafts are about a $70 upgrade just about anywhere else. I think the Elevates are the steel shaft, but I'm not sure. They also have a 30 day return policy. 

The sale has been extended until 10/30. Maybe worth checking out?

  • Like 2

:ping-small: G400 Max 9* Alta Reg

:callaway-small: Epic Flash 15* Evenflow 5.0

:cobra-small: Speedback 3&4 Atmos Reg

PXG 0211 5-GW MMT 70 

:titelist-small: Vokey SM7 52-F & 56- S (bent to 57*)

:titelist-small: :scotty-small: Newport 2.0 33.5"

:titelist-small: Hybrid 5 stand bag

 

 

 

 

 

 

Link to post

A little background info about myself, up until a few years ago I was playing my Ping G5 set from high school which are game improvement. But as I started to play more I've noticed the offset started to become less appealing as each round progressed. I moved from the G5 to a combo set i500/i210 set (players distance/players iron) then made another extreme change when the Ping Blueprints (7-P) came out. I think by forcing myself to play a more challenging set, it really helped dial in my ball striking and build my confidence whenever I hit the course. I would just go with what's most comfortable for you. Definitely hit up your local golf shops to demo several player irons so it'll help narrow down your choices. Another route is to go for lessons. Either way, you can't go wrong! I hope this provided some clarity for you. 

  • Like 1

Ping G410 Plus 9 Degree HZRDUS Black 6.0 set to the fade position (RH)

Ping G410 3 Wood 14.5 Degree HZRDUS Black 6.0 Handcrafted (RH)

Ping G410 3 Hybrid 19 Degree HZRDUS Black 6.0 (RH)

Titleist T200 Black 4 Project X LZ 6.0 Onyx 1 degree upright (RH)

Titleist T100S Black 5-9 Project X LZ 6.0 Onyx 1 degree upright (RH)

Titleist SM8 Jet Black 45F/9 bounce, 50F/8 bounce, 55S/11 bounce, 60S/10 bounce Project X LZ 6.0 Onyx 1 degree upright (RH)

2019 Bettinardi QB8 Midslant Limited Run with Stability Shaft (RH)

Srixon Z-Star 6

Link to post

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
×
  • Create New...