SPY VIP GolfSpy_X Posted February 23, 2010 SPY VIP Share Posted February 23, 2010 Experimental Adjustable Weighting System Here is an exclusive inside look of an experimental concept drawing for a new adjustable weighting system. I thought this one was kind of interesting…there is a pivot point located in the center of the head which can be swung from the heel to toe. The rest of the design is a bit too radical…but then again so are a large % of the drivers coming out nowadays. So you never know…you might just see something like this hitting the shelves from a major OEM sometime soon. There are going to be more and more radical designs being pushed through in the next few years that will truly shock you guys. I have seen some stuff on the drawing board from some of the major OEM's lately that are pretty creative and wild. There are a couple right now that are close to coming out of the prototype stage that are pretty shocking. But how many of these radical designs will actually provide any benefit to the golfer is the real question. “Shock & Awe†Driver Technology Lately…many of the major OEM's seem to be resorting to more of a “Shock & Awe†type marketing plan when designing their clubs. This way it is almost impossible not to be drawn to their product when you walk through your local golf shop. But unfortunately…more times then not there is little to no benefit to the advertised technology. But the guys with the big dollars will do their best to figure out a way to make you think that their is no way your game can improve without it. #TruthDigest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbush25 Posted February 23, 2010 Share Posted February 23, 2010 It is amazing how radical designs are getting these days. The question is do you really think that a driver this orthodox will be able to move in the market? It would have to be the straightest and longest driver in the world and be able to back it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Golf Hound Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Is this a Callaway design? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY VIP GolfSpy Dave Posted March 4, 2010 SPY VIP Share Posted March 4, 2010 I am not a fan of adjustment. There I said it. For me it erodes my confidence. Getting fitted is one thing. The club fitter knows what is best for me. However, if I have the chance to mess with settings, that little voice will ask if it set right during my backswing. Adjusting it with a pro to fit my swing is one thing, but then contemplating changing settings to course conditions is an extra thought that takes away from my game. Volvo Intorqueo All the cool kids follow me on twitter: @GolfspyDave If you are not a cool kid, following me on twitter will make you cool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boilerron Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 I love it! I am not one to complain about a club because it does not look traditional. Bring it on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moecat Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Kinda looks like a new age HiBore, in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY VIP GolfSpy Dave Posted March 4, 2010 SPY VIP Share Posted March 4, 2010 Maybe Batman's HiBore Volvo Intorqueo All the cool kids follow me on twitter: @GolfspyDave If you are not a cool kid, following me on twitter will make you cool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moecat Posted March 4, 2010 Share Posted March 4, 2010 Maybe Batman's HiBore good call! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY VIP GolfSpy Dave Posted March 4, 2010 SPY VIP Share Posted March 4, 2010 Would those be acceptable ball markers? Bottom of the bat at the hole. Plus, you are fully prepared to battle the Joker in your foursome. Volvo Intorqueo All the cool kids follow me on twitter: @GolfspyDave If you are not a cool kid, following me on twitter will make you cool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamo Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Is the point to be able to adjust MOI and COG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addicted2Golf Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Wilson prototype? So, what's exactly going on internally with that pivot point that you can adjust the weight? Callaway FT-9 Driver 10.5* Grafalloy Prolaunch Axis Blue Callaway FT-9 Driver 9.0* Grafalloy Prolaunch Platinum Cobra Baffler Rail F Fairway 15.5* Fujikura Motore Wilson FYbrid 19* UST Proforce AXIV Core Cobra Baffler Rail H Hybrid 22* Fujikura Motore Ping I15 Irons 5-UW AWT Ping Tour-W 56*,60* DG Spinner Ping Redwood ZB Putter, WRX Starshot, 35" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Kind of like this from Tom Wishon. I have a revolving WITB policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addicted2Golf Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Kind of like this from Tom Wishon. Yeah, that was similar to what I was envisioning in my head but was looking for confirmation. Callaway FT-9 Driver 10.5* Grafalloy Prolaunch Axis Blue Callaway FT-9 Driver 9.0* Grafalloy Prolaunch Platinum Cobra Baffler Rail F Fairway 15.5* Fujikura Motore Wilson FYbrid 19* UST Proforce AXIV Core Cobra Baffler Rail H Hybrid 22* Fujikura Motore Ping I15 Irons 5-UW AWT Ping Tour-W 56*,60* DG Spinner Ping Redwood ZB Putter, WRX Starshot, 35" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBarry Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Very interesting. What do you think about Powerbuilts approach with their Air Force 1 Drivers? John Barry Bring the Funk, Back to Golf The Golfer's Trip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Saternus Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 That is a "radical" design, and I think Batman would approve. Any reason why the pivot point weighting would be better/more effective than MWT or FastTrack? Or is it just the latest variation on a theme? Follow me on Twitter: @MattSaternus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addicted2Golf Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 Very interesting. What do you think about Powerbuilts approach with their Air Force 1 Drivers? I try not to think about Powerbuilt much to be honest. Callaway FT-9 Driver 10.5* Grafalloy Prolaunch Axis Blue Callaway FT-9 Driver 9.0* Grafalloy Prolaunch Platinum Cobra Baffler Rail F Fairway 15.5* Fujikura Motore Wilson FYbrid 19* UST Proforce AXIV Core Cobra Baffler Rail H Hybrid 22* Fujikura Motore Ping I15 Irons 5-UW AWT Ping Tour-W 56*,60* DG Spinner Ping Redwood ZB Putter, WRX Starshot, 35" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamo Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 Very interesting. What do you think about Powerbuilts approach with their Air Force 1 Drivers? I think the nitrogen is a gimmick, air is 78% nitrogen, but the fact that it is compressed air is smart. Personally I have not found any distance gain, but that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY VIP GolfSpy Dave Posted March 15, 2010 SPY VIP Share Posted March 15, 2010 I think the nitrogen is a gimmick, air is 78% nitrogen, but the fact that it is compressed air is smart. Personally I have not found any distance gain, but that's just me. Nitrogen gas would make more sense as it is far more inert than "air". Compressed air would contain oxygen that could oxidize the club from the inside out. Helium, a noble gas, would be perhaps the best gas because it is even less reactive than nitrogen. Also can you explain why it is smart if you did not find distance gain. I am having trouble understanding your logic. Volvo Intorqueo All the cool kids follow me on twitter: @GolfspyDave If you are not a cool kid, following me on twitter will make you cool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBarry Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 Friend of mine won one, he loves it over his Nike Driver, said it added about 20 yards on his drives. I will get a chance to hit it next time I play with him(golf you perverts!) John Barry Bring the Funk, Back to Golf The Golfer's Trip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainuh Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 That is a "radical" design, and I think Batman would approve. Any reason why the pivot point weighting would be better/more effective than MWT or FastTrack? Or is it just the latest variation on a theme? Can't imagine that it would be better or more effective. I do recall that Tom addressed the driver c/c issue (his was @ 400,iirc) but with the advent of newer materials perhaps they have now found a way to get to the 460 range. BTW - Toms design designation for his driver was the 715 and a search on his forum will yield you lots of info on the pros/cons of the design. As to the Powerbilt, which I find intriguing, there have been a number of positive responses on one forum in particular (wr...) and Leith Anderson has found it effective and the numbers proving out on a trackman. rob I Can't Help It If I'm Lucky... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Saternus Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 Nitrogen gas would make more sense as it is far more inert than "air". Compressed air would contain oxygen that could oxidize the club from the inside out. Helium, a noble gas, would be perhaps the best gas because it is even less reactive than nitrogen. Also can you explain why it is smart if you did not find distance gain. I am having trouble understanding your logic. Thank you, Bill Nye. Friend of mine won one, he loves it over his Nike Driver, said it added about 20 yards on his drives. I will get a chance to hit it next time I play with him(golf you perverts!) 20 yards is a lot. Is it possible that he was just badly fit to his Nike driver? I have a hard time believing that someone could pick up 20 yards with a club that still meets COR requirements. Follow me on Twitter: @MattSaternus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamo Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 Nitrogen gas would make more sense as it is far more inert than "air". Compressed air would contain oxygen that could oxidize the club from the inside out. Helium, a noble gas, would be perhaps the best gas because it is even less reactive than nitrogen. Also can you explain why it is smart if you did not find distance gain. I am having trouble understanding your logic. Scientifically it seems to be a good idea, it just didn't work for me. Maybe the simulator was mis calibrated of the shaft was wrong for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY VIP GolfSpy Dave Posted March 15, 2010 SPY VIP Share Posted March 15, 2010 Thank you, Bill Nye. 20 yards is a lot. Is it possible that he was just badly fit to his Nike driver? I have a hard time believing that someone could pick up 20 yards with a club that still meets COR requirements. Scientifically it seems to be a good idea, it just didn't work for me. Maybe the simulator was mis calibrated of the shaft was wrong for me. Why would you demo the driver with the wrong shaft? So lets assume that increasing internal air pressure increases the hardness of the head. And in one has the right shaft and a non-broken machine to measure results, then the increasing distance can be attributed to the hardness. Wouldn't this also relate to decreased feel in the driver? Uniform hardness from the pressure seems like it would make all face positions feel the same. Volvo Intorqueo All the cool kids follow me on twitter: @GolfspyDave If you are not a cool kid, following me on twitter will make you cool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamo Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 Why would you demo the driver with the wrong shaft? So lets assume that increasing internal air pressure increases the hardness of the head. And in one has the right shaft and a non-broken machine to measure results, then the increasing distance can be attributed to the hardness. Wouldn't this also relate to decreased feel in the driver? Uniform hardness from the pressure seems like it would make all face positions feel the same. I think that they use extra internal pressure to make the face thinner, so you get more power from that too. I don't know if it has an effect on feel. Note: Does anyone know if these are conforming? If they are, then it would seem like the nitrogen and pressure would do nothing, because increasing internal pressure would raise COR, which already has a limit that most (if not all) drivers approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainuh Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 I think that they use extra internal pressure to make the face thinner, so you get more power from that too. I don't know if it has an effect on feel. Note: Does anyone know if these are conforming? If they are, then it would seem like the nitrogen and pressure would do nothing, because increasing internal pressure would raise COR, which already has a limit that most (if not all) drivers approach. Per USGA / Conforming - Powerbilt AirForce 1 - 2.6mm head = 9.5, 10.5, 12.5 I am pretty sure a 2.4mm head is available as well but it is not listed on either list rob I Can't Help It If I'm Lucky... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamo Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 Per USGA / Conforming - Powerbilt AirForce 1 - 2.6mm head = 9.5, 10.5, 12.5 I am pretty sure a 2.4mm head is available as well but it is not listed on either list rob I seem to remember a Powerbilt commercial with Fuzzy Zoeler where they mentioned a 2.4 and even 2.2 mm face. Maybe they don't make them anymore, maybe because it was non conforming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil.b89 Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 Hi all... Regarding movable weights and technologies as such- more than happy to try anything out there on the market I can get my hands on, would love to believe that if I could repeat the same swing after moving weights about my ball flight would change, but after tinkering with my Taylormade r7 CGB Max limited for about 8 months now and struggling to notice any difference between my ball flights wondering how relevant it is to higher handicappers (I play off about 15) who don't have such a repeatable swing? Not too sure on this whole Nitrogen thing! Can't imagine it working? Would love to be proved wrong though! Any views? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY VIP GolfSpy Dave Posted March 16, 2010 SPY VIP Share Posted March 16, 2010 Hi all... Regarding movable weights and technologies as such- more than happy to try anything out there on the market I can get my hands on, would love to believe that if I could repeat the same swing after moving weights about my ball flight would change, but after tinkering with my Taylormade r7 CGB Max limited for about 8 months now and struggling to notice any difference between my ball flights wondering how relevant it is to higher handicappers (I play off about 15) who don't have such a repeatable swing? Not too sure on this whole Nitrogen thing! Can't imagine it working? Would love to be proved wrong though! Any views? Hey Phil. Check the thread on adjustable clubs. Exactly what is being discussed there. http://forum.mygolfspy.com/topic/567-adjustability/ Volvo Intorqueo All the cool kids follow me on twitter: @GolfspyDave If you are not a cool kid, following me on twitter will make you cool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJNiich Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 Whoa there! too crazy for my eyes. Just give me an old-fashioned pear shape and I'm good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fozcycle Posted June 16, 2010 Share Posted June 16, 2010 Scientifically it seems to be a good idea, it just didn't work for me. Maybe the simulator was mis calibrated of the shaft was wrong for me. I believe you are missing the whole point. Nitrogen was injected into the clubhead cavity to provide a constant force behind the clubface so that the clubface could be made "thinner", thus allowing the Trampoline effect to occur when the clubface hits the golfball. USGA limits test the trampoline effect at a 110 mph swing speed. For those of us that do not have that swing speed, the Powerbilt Air Force One provides the trampoline effect at less than 110 mph due to the thinner face of the driver. That is what yields the extra yardage. Thanks Powerbilt! Driver: 0311 XF 10.5* w/Project X Cypher 40 gram Senior shaft or 0811 XF 12* w/Evenflo Riptide CB Senior shaft Fairways: 0211 5W & 7W w/ Evenflo Riptide CB regular shaft and Tour Edge E521 9W w/Fubuki HD50 regular shaft Hybrid: None in bag at the moment Irons: Titleist T300 5-PW w/Fubuki MV Senior graphite shafts w/Golf Pride Tour Wedges: Edison forged 49*, 53* and 57* wedges with KB PGI Senior shafts(80 grm). Putter: 33” Evnroll ER6R or ER2 or Bellum Winmore Model 707, or Nike Method Core Drone w/Evnroll Gravity Grip Bag: Vice cart bag(Black/Lime). Ball: Snell MTB Prime X, Maxfli Tour/S/X CG, Titleist Pro V1x or Titleist TruFeel Using Shot Scope X5 and Pinned Rangefinder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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